To feel everyone is anti trans?

[Kitjo]

I'm well aware of current US views led by Trump - but are these views generally held/supported in the UK? Of course I understand opinions on NHS gender reassignment funding, as well as controversies over trans women in sport. Needless to say I'm fully aware of concerns over women's safety issues. Are there any sympathisers or supporters out there? What about trans masculine folk who are surely no threat to women's safety or sport? None of these people would choose such a hard life, socially, financially, physically, mentally, emotionally... am I alone in thinking a bit of kindness and compassion towards the trans community might be appreciated for the massive personal struggles they have to face? I am open minded to hearing and understanding your views.

That’s because it is. Gender ideology is an erasure of same sex attracted people. As with female biology, you cannot talk about being gay or lesbian without recognising that means ‘being sexually attracted to a person of the same sex as you’, making you instantly transphobic if you don’t recognise a trans woman as a lesbian. So once again you have to use untruth language and ignore personal boundaries to accommodate.

Pro or anti is far too simplistic.

I do think that people have come to the realisation that trans isn’t ‘real’, at least in the biological sense. Your chromosomes determine your sex. It really is as simple as that.

But, if it comes to calling someone a different name or allowing them to dress differently, I will do it. And, as long as there is no conflict of rights, I think people should freely live as they choose.

But where trans rights conflict with women’s rights, women should win every time.

SPL Center. 🙄 A captured Mens Rights Activist group that does not represent reality in the LGB community.

What a well thought out , reasoned post. I particularly enjoyed the descriptions of trans people’s genitals and their predilections to commit sexual assault. Not to mention the name-calling of posters with a different perspective - “Meninist/TRA”.

This is what most of us thing. This is why we are labelled transphobic.

The problem is, although both sides have bad actors, both sides are not equally bad, and you fail to acknowledge that the trans activist side is way more violent, unhinged and downright dangerous than the "TERF" side. Why might that be?

Quite.

I am NOT anti (anyone) , they need to stay clear of anything female! "chestfeeding " was the last straw for me!!!

I have read the whole thread and I’ll be honestly everyone has been really nice and friendly and clear about their views.

the majority of which seem to be we will treat everyone we meet kindly and treat them the same as everyone else. Most people concur they want single sex spaces to be respected in all areas of life.

why on earth should that perfectly clear and non controversial view make any one want to ‘end it all… very quickly’. I just don’t see the connection.

@TheRadiatorLady ,

I think ‘transphobia’ will be exiting the dictionaries pretty imminently.

Totally agree. I just went for a run (to shake off some of this negativity!) in the woods, alone. I did not feel the right for a women-only wood space. The unisex loos (! Yes! No problem!) were closed, I did not need a woman-only (magic safe space) tree to pee behind.

I posted to reassure op that not everyone is anti trans. Read Mad Honey, watch Heartstoppers and fill yourself will hope for the next generation. I’m off here for a bit, there is such a lack of common sense and misplaced fear - be scared of those in power punching down.

I think you need to spend some time with actual trans people. I think you'd find it reassuring and not at all as you imagine.

why on earth should that perfectly clear and non controversial view make any one want to ‘end it all… very quickly’. I just don’t see the connection.

Suicide ideation is very common in trans rights activist spaces.

This is what they always do. Doesn’t matter how reasonable the outline of a post is, certain posters just turn up on threads like this putting their fingers in their ears shouting ‘not kind enough!!’. Someone particular only turn up on gender discussion threads to be sycophantic with absolutely nothing to add.

Where is your well thought out, reasoned post? No where, except the mocking 'laugh' reactions to mine. Mentioning MALE genitals has nothing to do with 'trans'.
And if he shoe fits....wear it.

Nobody cares what they call themselves, it is what they expect other people to call them and pretend they are that is the issue.

I don’t hate trans people, but I do have a problem with the ideology. If it’s possible to either be in the wrong body, or to be neither a man nor a woman, that suggests that there are right ways and wrong ways to be. If we don’t go on biological sex (which everyone has, either male or female) then it’s down to stereotypes and subjective, unfalsifiable feelings; and it suggests that if you don’t like things considered in your society to be feminine but you’re female, then you can’t be a girl or a woman- you must be non-binary or transmasculine. That offends me. It’s patriarchy’s message. Women can be and do and present however they like, they are still women. I don’t think it’s hateful to say this, but I do think it’s pretty harmful to say that if you don’t conform to stereotype you’re in the wrong body. How is that message different to telling gentle boys that they’re ‘girls’ or ‘sissy’? How is it different to calling unfeminine women ‘dykes’ or ‘a man’ or saying that they have penis envy?

This is what they always do. Doesn’t matter how reasonable the outline of a post is, certain posters just turn up on threads like this putting their fingers in their ears shouting ‘not kind enough!!’. Someone particular only turn up on gender discussion threads to be sycophantic with absolutely nothing to add.

They don't have a rational argument why others should share their views, they probably haven't even interrogated them particularly deeply, that's why they're always drive by posting their virtue signal.

I have just seen that JKR made a tweet. So I will go through her feed (so you don't have to) so we can see all those transphobic hateful / pro-women's rights
"A noisy part of the left still refuses to step outside their sex-is-a-social-construct bubble and acknowledge that their embrace of gender identity ideology has been a calamity. They were warned the right was capitalising on their betrayal of women and girls. They didn't listen."

"Australian lesbians aren't allowed to exclude men from public meetings. Read that sentence again and remind yourself that there are people who claim the gender identity movement poses no threat to women's or gay rights."

"The literary crowd that had a hell of a lot to say about Harvey Weinstein before he was convicted has been strangely muted in its response to multiple accusations against Neil Gaiman from young women who'd never met, yet - as with Weinstein - tell remarkably similar stories."

"@DanFriedman81
And the other accusers? “I told him, ‘You cannot put anything in my vagina or I will die.’” Gaiman flipped her over, she says, and attempted to penetrate her with his fingers. She told him “no.” He stopped for a moment and then he penetrated her with his penis.""

"My royalties continue to help fund women-only services and support the fightback against the erosion of women's and girls' rights. Enjoy both essay and fire!"

"You think you've heard the last word in callous, self-serving, reality-defying luxury beliefs, but then a female legislator responds to a question about a male sexual assault by saying how proud she is of the measures taken to make sure the sex offender's feelings aren't hurt."

I have not included retweets, which have included Julie Bindel's picture of the pope with arm outstretched saying "now the pope's at it"

perhaps one of the "JKR posts dangerous transphobic bile" might point it out?

*delete as necessary/desired

On the contrary

I don't hate trans people but ......hilarious

go on show us - it has gone from "oh she is an evil terf"
to - well, yes, they are unhinged but she's mean.

FGS. Look at yourselves.

We have been reasonable, we have offered to help campaign for 3rd spaces etc etc. We don't even care if blokes wear dresses and don't shave their beards off.

We are anti the erosion of hard-won single sex spaces. And all your cries of "die in a grease fire" just show the TRAs and their supporters up for the violent misogynists they are.

So no, i am not anti-trans. I don't care one jot about trans people until they impinge on women's rights. (i do actually care about the ones who have had sub-optimal results from surgeries for things like neo-vaginas. The things i have read are horrific. I would ban that surgery if i could to spare them all that pain)

Mentioning MALE genitals has nothing to do with 'trans'.
And if he shoe fits....wear it.

🤔.

I have a long history on this site of posting evidence based and informative posts on this subject and receive very little but abuse in response.

FFS