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Feel awful about MIL's passing but struggling with baby - AIBU?

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Charlottef94 · 21/01/2025 11:40

My MIL sadly passed away last week after a terminal illness. She and FIL live in a very very remote part of UK which takes around 12 hrs door to door from us. We were there a week ago luckily before she passed, with our 4 month old.

When she passed overnight last week I stayed as we had already postponed our babys vaccines by over a month due to all the travel over Christmas and up to see them, and they were due to have them that day. DH went up to FIL straight away - however I now feel that he is angry with me that we didnt go immediately and is being quite insensitive to me in having to make this huge journey now on my own as well as currently solo parenting our baby who is going through 4month sleep regression.

I have offered to go up asap, however with the funeral date tbc I would like us to stay up there, until the funeral rather than come back home and back up again. I just feel that it's so many extremely long journeys for our baby who was v unsettled last time we went up there, has just settled down at home again - this is why I wanted to give him a few extra days to get over his jabs and be at home before more upheaval. We have also only been married a year and I did feel that at such a raw time for FIL, having me there hanging around in the very beginning would feel intrusive on his grief as he is alone with DH at the moment.

I just feel my DH is not caring about us at all at the moment, he is barely speaking to me and keeps making sharp comments about how he wants me to get there asap as FIL is really keen to be surrounded by all the grandchildren, as if I am refusing to go. His SIL gets there today with baby. There is a turn in the weather this week meaning I am unlikely to be able to make it to where they live this week or could get stranded with our baby, but I feel DH will tell me we have to try and make the journey.

AIBU in feeling a bit upset myself? I know he has lost his mum but I am trying my best to hold everything together and stable here for our baby and I feel so alone and worried that I've been unreasonable in staying home for a bit longer given the circumstances.

OP posts:
PeloMom · 21/01/2025 16:25

I have read OP’s comments but not the other comments. YANBU. Your DH is making it all about his father, not even about FIL. I don’t see what grieving his wife has to do with all GC being there. You have to do what’s right for your DC- vaccine and if feeling rough, time to rest. If 10y GC can he there in a month, you surely can go in a few days. The whole set up sounds dreadful- long journey (with DH controlling how you get there, in the least convenient way possible), DH getting to escape everyday reality by working, you not being able to do much day to day…
what does FIL do with the GC all day since he wants them there? Does he actually engage and play with them for extended periods of time? Or they’re props to ‘make him happy’ by being there when he feels like it?

GreenCandleWax · 21/01/2025 16:25

Charlottef94 · 21/01/2025 11:59

@OatFlatWhiteForMePlease have asked this but for some reason he is adamant that I take 2 trains + ferry route and isnt keen for me to fly.

I dont think he is in his right mind at the moment with everything going on (understandable) but it's just eating away at me that I've done something wrong in not immediately going and instead being here.

The funeral could be over a month away due to FIL wanting 10 year old grandson to be there and it having to be during his half term. Where they live is so remote I would be unable to even go out for a walk with baby and DH would be WFH so not available during the day. It sounds so insensitive but I would honestly really struggle mentally to be there for that length of time.

Sorry OP but you need to put him and his DF first in this situation, as long as all is safe for your DC, who won't be bothered where they are. Fly up and make your way from the nearest airport to where they are. Someone may collect you or meet you for the ferry. Or is it on an island with its own air service? Show willing. It doesn't matter if he "doesn't want you to fly", surely? Just go. Why can't you go for a walk when there? As for your MH, what about your DH? it might be dreary while you are there in a grieving household, but what about him? This is a major crisis in his life. He needs to come first at the moment.

DelilahA · 21/01/2025 16:28

are any other family members travelling OP? Wondering if you could arrange to meet during the journey, even if you don’t know them very well, and do the last part of the journey together?

Or could SIL leave her baby with doting Granddad and her dh , and travel back to help you with the ferry crossing?

I went on vacation to the alps when my dc was 3 months , that was a 9 hour journey with dh and not difficult in any way and I found it very stressful, what does your own mum say - is there any chance she could travel with you? My mum would have done that for moral support

User860131 · 21/01/2025 16:28

ANiceBigCupOfTea · 21/01/2025 16:16

When I was 26 my younger Dsis passed away. It was an absolutely horrible time and I was in bits. My DH drove a 60 mile round trip daily (I can't drive) for about 10 days to make sure I could be with my family. He was also working all during this time too. Granted there were no kids in the picture but I'm sure this wasn't easy for him, but he stepped up for me and I'll never ever forget it.
The days feel so long when you're going through the aftermath of a family death and nothing is normal, people snap at eachother, but before you know you're out the other side and you'll only regret what you didn't do. If you can't do the month, surely there's a middle ground here where you can go out when the older DGS gets there and be with them for a week or so.

Would he travel for 12 hours.... with a 4 month old baby.... through dodgy roads and dodgy weather..... for an expected death of an elderly relative? I'm so sorry for your loss but it's a totally different situation.

It sounds as if the OP's family expected this death. It doesn't make it any less devastating but they shouldn't be expecting everyone to drop everything either. In addition to this it sounds as if FIL has control issues. I wouldn't be tolerating that either, not because I don't love my dh but because I refuse to let anyone manipulate me at the expense of mine or more so my child's safety and happiness.

jannier · 21/01/2025 16:28

MostlyHappyMummy · 21/01/2025 15:43

She is already supporting her husband by taking her of his child so he can be with his father and grieve without worrying about taking care of a child too
I'd bet my winning lottery ticket on the husband always being an arse if he's behaving like this at the moment - grief doesn't turn you into a cunt unless you already are one

Jesus there is so much nastiness on this thread and no compassion.

Feelinadequate23 · 21/01/2025 16:29

pikkumyy77 · 21/01/2025 13:07

I agree with this.

I can’t believe how the usually phlegmatic, unflappable, mumsnetters here are all on fire that the dh must have his needs catered to because his mother died after a terminal illness.

OP is a mother too. She is looking after a four month old. She seems from her pists to be young, anxious, and ranked very low i the household. Neither her needs nor the baby’s needs are even considered.

A stronger, more assertive, person would feel able to say “let me know when the funeral is planned. Baby and I will fly up and be there on either side for x number of days. Then we will come back.” Done.

The baby isn’t prozac for grieving people, nor is he part of a matched litter with the other grandchildren to symbolically be assembled with his employee/nanny in tow.

Its obvious that the family is going through a mad grieving process in which the children (dh and hiscsibs) are overreacting to the loss if MIL and anxiety that the grandfather is now living alone in such isolation but this is non rational. OP can’t fix this. The baby won’t fix this. Two trains and buses won’t fix this.

She needs to do what is right for all if them. Within reason. DH’s grief doesn’t excuse his treatment of OP and the baby as props.

At last a voice of reason. Women and babies are not emotional support dolls for men. He’s a father now - he needs to put his child first despite his grief. We all know a grieving mother would. OP is supporting him hugely by taking all childcare worries off his mind. She should make an effort for the funeral if possible but all this talk of going for a month is just madness.

Maybe all the people having a go at the OP didn’t have a baby who suffered a major 4 month sleep regression? I would 100% not have been safe to make this journey with my four month old. I was in the depths of PPD, barely getting through each day, my baby would have screamed the whole way and I would have arrived (if at all!) in no state to support anyone. Neither my baby nor I would have been a happy distraction for anyone and assuming the 3 of them will share a bedroom, it would mean DH getting no sleep and then having to deal with sleep deprivation on top of grief and stress.

OP needs to think of baby’s needs now as DH isn’t able to. By far best for baby to stay where its mother can cope most easily. Support to DH can be given by FaceTime, regular messages etc until she can make it up the week before the funeral. He had his dad and siblings so he’s not alone. It’s a crap situation all round but he needs to put his baby’s needs before his own.

Choccyscofffy · 21/01/2025 16:32

Babyboomtastic · 21/01/2025 15:29

I don't think it matters how you get there, that's your call, but you do need to go up and support your husband ASAP. I don't think jabs were really a reason to delay, and in any event, they've been done now.

If this has happened a year later, you'd be juggling work, going up and a toddler (a LOT less portable). Thank goodness you have the time now.

In terms of when you are up there, walk in the opposite direction of the cliffs, use a sling and go for a stroll! If there is a village that's accessible there's likely to be some form of baby group. If you are there for a few weeks you might even meet some mums to keep you sane. Otherwise, Netflix a book and exploring a new environment sounds like a fun use of time.

If a man on extended pat leave posted, would you be expecting him to stay in a remote location with his MIL so she could see his children?

jannier · 21/01/2025 16:32

thepariscrimefiles · 21/01/2025 15:58

It's for at least a whole month though as the funeral is in a month's time but OP's DH is expecting them to stay there until after the funeral.

They don't even want OP there, she is just the conduit to the baby.

That was not said by anybody just the ops assuming it's all fil is interested in. During the early stages of grief there is an overwhelming amount of things to do and it can take ages. I'm reality the DH may get it done and feel ready to leave his father either way op has nothing to do other than care for baby (which she's struggling with on her own) and support her partner the person she's supposed to love

gingergiraffe · 21/01/2025 16:35

I am halfway through reading the posts but I have to say, give the poor op a break. Given all the extenuating circumstances surrounding making this trip, I am with her. Her husband and his sister are all up there with fil, along with friends and maybe a few children. What is she expected to do when she gets there? In the middle of nowhere with a young baby, surrounded by grieving people. Her priority is the baby. Only so many cups of tea you can make and drink and tears to shed. Her husband then intending to wfh up there? She was up there to support the family only a week ago when mil was alive, that’s the important thing. The death wasn’t unexpected. She is not being selfish, uncaring or unreasonable.

Personally, I think husband is being totally unrealistic in his expectations. Yes, support from afar over the phone and FaceTime and plan to go up, by whatever means are convenient and safe for you, once the funeral date is confirmed. That could be weeks away.

I supposed I will get flamed for this but, having lost both my parents within four weeks, who lived 300 miles away, with three young children and both of us working, we had to make difficult decisions, but we made them together and were both supportive of each other, while taking into consideration the needs of our young children.

Op, your needs and that of your child matter too but only you seem to be thinking of them.

Choccyscofffy · 21/01/2025 16:35

Completelyjo · 21/01/2025 15:53

Because op said the funeral could be in a month because it would have to be over half term if FIL wants the grandchild there, which isn’t the case in Scotland.

Again, she’s repeating what she’s been told, that it’s arranged around the grandson’s half term a month away.

PatchworkOwl · 21/01/2025 16:37

Having been the parent with young DC whose own parent died (so in the place of OP's DH), I didn't stop putting the DC first. I was grieving, but like another pp said, that doesn't mean life stopped or the world suddenly revolved around me. Everyone's needs still have to be balanced.

Given the distance, it would seem sensible to wait until you have an idea when the funeral date is, then plan with DH when you'll go up and how long you'll stay for. He doesn't get to dictate how you get there, that's your choice.

How would FIL benefit from having a baby around while he's organising the funeral and doing all the death-related admin anyway? Realistically, if you're staying there, how will everyone feel if your baby is up through the night crying or has a really unsettled day, will that help anyone?

Completelyjo · 21/01/2025 16:37

User860131 · 21/01/2025 16:28

Would he travel for 12 hours.... with a 4 month old baby.... through dodgy roads and dodgy weather..... for an expected death of an elderly relative? I'm so sorry for your loss but it's a totally different situation.

It sounds as if the OP's family expected this death. It doesn't make it any less devastating but they shouldn't be expecting everyone to drop everything either. In addition to this it sounds as if FIL has control issues. I wouldn't be tolerating that either, not because I don't love my dh but because I refuse to let anyone manipulate me at the expense of mine or more so my child's safety and happiness.

Edited

If your spouse wouldn’t do this for you then you’ve married the wrong person.

I flew from abroad solo with a baby to a rural location with a days notice to support my DH when his mother died in his 20s.

If I didn’t think he would willingly support me in the way I needed through a similar event then we wouldn’t be married.

Feelinadequate23 · 21/01/2025 16:37

C8H10N4O2 · 21/01/2025 14:48

One thing this thread has done for me - I'm profoundly grateful that we both have families where people still will put themselves out and go to great lengths (including planes, trains, cars and travelling with small children) to support each other when needed.

My life would have been much more difficult if most of them decided its all just too difficult and the bereaved and the sick could make do with a few phone calls. All of them would say the same.

And it’s made me profoundly grateful to have a family that puts little ones first, supports young parents and doesn’t place ridiculous demands on struggling post partum mothers. My last few years would have been so much harder with the “struggling men come first” mindset.

Maurepas · 21/01/2025 16:38

Op DON'T go if you think the journey is too difficult to manage alone or 'bad' for baby. It is a truly horrendous journey which may not even be completed because transport is cancelled/partly cancelled/delayed due to weather etc. You yourself could get sick too. Tell DH you cannot go. Stay home. FIL demands are senseless, selfish and just too much to expect this time of the year.

jannier · 21/01/2025 16:38

Feelinadequate23 · 21/01/2025 16:29

At last a voice of reason. Women and babies are not emotional support dolls for men. He’s a father now - he needs to put his child first despite his grief. We all know a grieving mother would. OP is supporting him hugely by taking all childcare worries off his mind. She should make an effort for the funeral if possible but all this talk of going for a month is just madness.

Maybe all the people having a go at the OP didn’t have a baby who suffered a major 4 month sleep regression? I would 100% not have been safe to make this journey with my four month old. I was in the depths of PPD, barely getting through each day, my baby would have screamed the whole way and I would have arrived (if at all!) in no state to support anyone. Neither my baby nor I would have been a happy distraction for anyone and assuming the 3 of them will share a bedroom, it would mean DH getting no sleep and then having to deal with sleep deprivation on top of grief and stress.

OP needs to think of baby’s needs now as DH isn’t able to. By far best for baby to stay where its mother can cope most easily. Support to DH can be given by FaceTime, regular messages etc until she can make it up the week before the funeral. He had his dad and siblings so he’s not alone. It’s a crap situation all round but he needs to put his baby’s needs before his own.

The 4 month regression has just started....some of us had babies that didn't sleep for a couple of years and we worked. Women are not weak.

Choccyscofffy · 21/01/2025 16:39

jannier · 21/01/2025 15:56

While also saying about how women need so much support and can't function months after giving birth....double standards and so old fashioned...we ask men to show emotions and say it's okay until they do then they need mothering.

He is getting a lot of support. His wife has taken sole care of their baby since last week to allow him to grieve with his father.

Why does she need to lash herself with arduous journeys and risk cancelled ferries in upcoming bad weather to prove herself? This thread has a large vein of masochism running through it.

Choccyscofffy · 21/01/2025 16:39

SapphireSeptember · 21/01/2025 15:58

@ClockingOffers and @Choccyscofffy Finally some people with some sense!

I know! Great to see your voices of reason in a sea of masochism!

Completelyjo · 21/01/2025 16:40

Choccyscofffy · 21/01/2025 16:32

If a man on extended pat leave posted, would you be expecting him to stay in a remote location with his MIL so she could see his children?

Edited

These ridiculous minimising comments are actually offensive. The father wants to see his child too.

Yes if a father was off on paternity leave with no commitments I would expect him to stay at his in-laws home to support his wife during the funeral prep for her mother.

God knows what some of your marriages are like because Jesus Christ you have a low bar.

user1480154707 · 21/01/2025 16:42

LaurieFairyCake · 21/01/2025 11:50

No, it's ridiculous to travel 12 hours to (I assume) Scotland when they could shut the roads with a 4 month old.

It's not a suitable trip, I wouldn't go at all. Nor would I put up with any sharp comments.

"So sad about your Mum but I'm not making the trip with the baby"

"Sad about your mum" 😳😳😳

pikkumyy77 · 21/01/2025 16:42

jannier · 21/01/2025 16:38

The 4 month regression has just started....some of us had babies that didn't sleep for a couple of years and we worked. Women are not weak.

Oh must we have a repeat of the four Yorkshiremen sketch, mumsnet version? “I squatted to give birth in the loo at work and then made my deliverables on time with no one the wiser! I cut the cord with the office stapler while I finished the company’s paperwork.”

NormaleKartoffeln · 21/01/2025 16:43

LivingLaVidaBabyShower · 21/01/2025 14:36

Me neither! But I'd fly and rent a car... which op cant do as she cant drive and so is beholden to others for any/all transport and will be trapped doing the same remote crappy cliff walk every day....

Edited

There's presumably more than one way to go a walk.

NormaleKartoffeln · 21/01/2025 16:45

Flossflower · 21/01/2025 14:47

Yes but traffic in remote places also drives really fast as they have so much ground to cover.

....and roads are vastly different too.

TellYourSugargliderISaidHi · 21/01/2025 16:47

TorroFerney · 21/01/2025 12:16

Remote places often have no footpaths so you are pushing a pram in the road round a blind bend.

Yes, I can picture this. Narrow lanes and bends, not a good idea and cars won’t be expecting the pedestrian either.

I think you’re being given a massively hard time OP, you’re letting off steam here not at your husband. Of course he’s grieving, but you and the baby being stuck there after a 12 hour journey for weeks on end isn’t feasible. You facilitating him being there by looking after the baby solo is doing your part, and being available to listen to him, sharp comments and all, is also support. Does he usually try to dictate things like how you travel to somewhere too? You can choose those things yourself.

thescandalwascontained · 21/01/2025 16:50

GreenCandleWax · 21/01/2025 16:25

Sorry OP but you need to put him and his DF first in this situation, as long as all is safe for your DC, who won't be bothered where they are. Fly up and make your way from the nearest airport to where they are. Someone may collect you or meet you for the ferry. Or is it on an island with its own air service? Show willing. It doesn't matter if he "doesn't want you to fly", surely? Just go. Why can't you go for a walk when there? As for your MH, what about your DH? it might be dreary while you are there in a grieving household, but what about him? This is a major crisis in his life. He needs to come first at the moment.

No, she doesn't have to put her DH and FIL first. She has to put the baby first, and herself as she's the one who does all the heavy lifting with the baby. DH did fuck all for the baby on their last trip up ... baby sobbed for 4 straight hours on the train while DH played on his phone and OP tried to soothe the baby. Imagine her home life sucks, too.

DH can put his father first. He is there and can continue to be there for him. He can work from there until the funeral if he needs/wants to.

OP cannot get their safely right now, and the 'best' way out of all the poor options he refuses to pay for (a flight) because he wants to spend less on her transport. But wants her there. Where she will be exhausted and isolated and lonely and ignored until FIL wants to see his genes. Oh, and likely berated for staying behind in the first place because the baby needed it's already late vaccinations.

No thanks.

GreenCandleWax · 21/01/2025 16:53

LivingLaVidaBabyShower · 21/01/2025 14:07

@Charlottef94 if you are flying (which i would do) PLEASE do yourself a favour and rent a car at the airport.

If there was ever a time to throw money at a problem this kind of thing would be it for me....

Your own car will give you a huge amount of freedom and independence. Instead of doing the same shitty dangerous walk you can drive somewhere half nice and generally get out with the baby / escape from the house.

I'd do this irrespective of my dhs "opinions"

As others have said his mum is dead so I'd give him a long line - its truly devestating for most people but if he is being aggressive and hostile to you i would say something along the lines of "I'm on your team I'm here to help, but I'm not your punching bag. Its not okay to talk to me this way."

Edited

OP has already stated at least twice that she doesn't drive!

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