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To continue calling DD by the name I gave her

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bannsise · 21/01/2025 08:04

My DD is 22, her first name is Isabella, I chose the name as I love it and think it’s very pretty. Since she was little I’d always call her Isabella or Bella, her dad who I wasn’t with called her “Isa” (ee-sa).
As a teen she insisted I didn’t call her Bella, I happily just used Isabella.
Now she is insisting I call her Isa, she says she doesn’t like Isabella, no one apart from me has called her it in 10+ years. She also complains I say it wrong anyway (her dad is European and pronounces it ee-sa-bell-a, I say is-a-bell-a). I replied that I can’t say her name wrong as I picked it!!

AIBU to say I will continue to call her Isabella (with the English pronunciation) and not by Isa as that isn’t the name I chose for her and I don’t like it.

OP posts:
takealettermsjones · 21/01/2025 10:33

bannsise · 21/01/2025 10:31

I didn’t choose to raise her in Italy I had a very short relationship with her dad and ended up pregnant, he promised me the world, broke up with me before her 1st birthday and refused to let me return to the uk where my family and support network were. Spoke to lawyers and was basically told I’d be wasting my time as it would always be ruled that she should remain in the country she is ordinarily resident. He kicked off so much that my family would have to come and visit us in Italy as he always claimed he didn’t trust me to bring her back if I took her to the uk!

Well... it does sound like he had a point 🤣

But that's by the by. Respect your daughter's wishes now.

takealettermsjones · 21/01/2025 10:34

WishinAndHopin · 21/01/2025 10:33

You’re getting a tough time here OP.

It’s no surprise you’ve dug your heels in - your daughter told you - who picked the name - that you are pronouncing this name wrong! How ignorant, stupid and disrespectful.

It sounds like she’s trying to fully identify with her dad’s heritage and country and wants to sound more exotic than plain old Bella, or Issy. It’s pretentious and she’ll probably be embarrassed when she’s older.

Claiming that no one has called her anything except Isa is a lie. None of her UK friends or teachers would have called her that naturally unless she attempted to enforce it, which would have met with limited success. As an adult, every time she gets a non-social phone call, or called into an appointment they will call her Isabella with the English pronunciation.

A child changing their name is a rejection of their parents’ choice for them, so it will sting. It is also asking something of you that will never feel right or natural. Ultimately, it’s their choice, but she has not been respectful about it at all.

It’s not like she said, “Mum I prefer Isa and it suits me much better. This is what feels right for me and what everyone else is calling me now.” She’s stupidly said you are wrong about your own baby name choice which is incredibly rude, she is blatantly lying/exaggerating about “no one” else calls her that, and it seems like this new insistence is to make herself seem more exotic which is juvenile and may not last. And the short name she has picked is not sustainable in the UK, she will have to keep enforcing it. None of it is sensible or authentic.

I suspect she’s pretending that Eesabella is her “real name” (as opposed to different pronunciation of the same) and doesn’t want you to embarrass her by letting it slip that she’s just regular Isabella to anyone English.

She lives in Italy.

doveshadow · 21/01/2025 10:35

bannsise · 21/01/2025 08:42

I live in the uk now, but DD was born abroad and I was never able to get her back to the uk with me (as any court would rule she should stay where she is ordinarily resident). I obviously stayed in the same country as her until she was 16. I appreciate “ee-as” is a relatively normal nickname in the country she is from but that’s not what I named her!

Why are you being so stubborn about it and why do you want to upset your daughter? She is being called a nickname that is common in her country and she wants you to use it. Your wishes don’t trump hers when it comes to her name. You don’t own it.

Over40Overdating · 21/01/2025 10:35

@ChicLilacSeal I don’t think an adult asking to be called the name they grew up with and that everyone calls them in the country and culture they live in is twattish, no.

I also don’t think that not identifying with a culture she was not raised in, which may have been forced on her negatively if OPs attitude is anything to go by, is twattish either.

If OP is not obliged to respect her daughter’s request or heritage then her daughter is not obliged to honour hers. Giving birth is not a free for all for actually acting like a twat but crying victim instead.

The fact she has not pulled up one single poster insulting her daughter is very telling, and I imagine the name is the last in a long line of things the OP - who left her child to live in another country 6 years ago - has demanded go her way rather than respect her daughter’s autonomy.

Deliaskis · 21/01/2025 10:36

You're still making it all about you OP. What your daughter is asking is not a bit unreasonable or outlandish, your refusal to respect her very simple request is very unreasonable. The background to why she was born and raised in Italy is irrelevant.

As many posters have pointed out, if a stranger or colleague or any other adult asked this you would respect that. Please show your daughter the same respect.

WishinAndHopin · 21/01/2025 10:36

takealettermsjones · 21/01/2025 10:34

She lives in Italy.

Just read the whole thread, should have done so first.

I think it’s appalling and racist that the daughter thinks it’s “embarrassing” to be half British. It’s a rejection of her mother and who she is.

MissDoubleU · 21/01/2025 10:37

WishinAndHopin · 21/01/2025 10:33

You’re getting a tough time here OP.

It’s no surprise you’ve dug your heels in - your daughter told you - who picked the name - that you are pronouncing this name wrong! How ignorant, stupid and disrespectful.

It sounds like she’s trying to fully identify with her dad’s heritage and country and wants to sound more exotic than plain old Bella, or Issy. It’s pretentious and she’ll probably be embarrassed when she’s older.

Claiming that no one has called her anything except Isa is a lie. None of her UK friends or teachers would have called her that naturally unless she attempted to enforce it, which would have met with limited success. As an adult, every time she gets a non-social phone call, or called into an appointment they will call her Isabella with the English pronunciation.

A child changing their name is a rejection of their parents’ choice for them, so it will sting. It is also asking something of you that will never feel right or natural. Ultimately, it’s their choice, but she has not been respectful about it at all.

It’s not like she said, “Mum I prefer Isa and it suits me much better. This is what feels right for me and what everyone else is calling me now.” She’s stupidly said you are wrong about your own baby name choice which is incredibly rude, she is blatantly lying/exaggerating about “no one” else calls her that, and it seems like this new insistence is to make herself seem more exotic which is juvenile and may not last. And the short name she has picked is not sustainable in the UK, she will have to keep enforcing it. None of it is sensible or authentic.

I suspect she’s pretending that Eesabella is her “real name” (as opposed to different pronunciation of the same) and doesn’t want you to embarrass her by letting it slip that she’s just regular Isabella to anyone English.

Another poster ignoring that this child was raised and lived their entire life in Italy, where she has only known her name to be pronounced in Italian. She is an Italian woman living in her home country of Italy. She is not petulant for wanting her name pronounced properly, as she is used to. It’s HER name.

OP is being petulant for refusing her adult daughter the basic request for such small respect. OP moved back to the UK when DD, who remained in Italy, was 16. At 22 now mum can’t even concede to saying “Eesa” because she thinks she’s losing a power struggle. Pathetic

KrisAkabusi · 21/01/2025 10:37

WishinAndHopin · 21/01/2025 10:33

You’re getting a tough time here OP.

It’s no surprise you’ve dug your heels in - your daughter told you - who picked the name - that you are pronouncing this name wrong! How ignorant, stupid and disrespectful.

It sounds like she’s trying to fully identify with her dad’s heritage and country and wants to sound more exotic than plain old Bella, or Issy. It’s pretentious and she’ll probably be embarrassed when she’s older.

Claiming that no one has called her anything except Isa is a lie. None of her UK friends or teachers would have called her that naturally unless she attempted to enforce it, which would have met with limited success. As an adult, every time she gets a non-social phone call, or called into an appointment they will call her Isabella with the English pronunciation.

A child changing their name is a rejection of their parents’ choice for them, so it will sting. It is also asking something of you that will never feel right or natural. Ultimately, it’s their choice, but she has not been respectful about it at all.

It’s not like she said, “Mum I prefer Isa and it suits me much better. This is what feels right for me and what everyone else is calling me now.” She’s stupidly said you are wrong about your own baby name choice which is incredibly rude, she is blatantly lying/exaggerating about “no one” else calls her that, and it seems like this new insistence is to make herself seem more exotic which is juvenile and may not last. And the short name she has picked is not sustainable in the UK, she will have to keep enforcing it. None of it is sensible or authentic.

I suspect she’s pretending that Eesabella is her “real name” (as opposed to different pronunciation of the same) and doesn’t want you to embarrass her by letting it slip that she’s just regular Isabella to anyone English.

You could at least have read the OPs other posts before going off on that rant!

Everything is pretty much the exact opposite of what you've assumed. She has lived in Italy her whole life and wants her mother to pronounce her name the way everyone else that knows her does. Nothing to do with wanting to appear exotic FFS!

godmum56 · 21/01/2025 10:37

Moreinheavenandearth · 21/01/2025 09:55

I think you, as her mother who picked her name, have a special role and you are entitled to call her by her birth name.

and she is entitled to not respond.

Purplecatshopaholic · 21/01/2025 10:38

Call her what you like if you don’t want much of a relationship with her op. Alternatively, respect her wishes..

MrsDoof · 21/01/2025 10:38

bannsise · 21/01/2025 10:31

I didn’t choose to raise her in Italy I had a very short relationship with her dad and ended up pregnant, he promised me the world, broke up with me before her 1st birthday and refused to let me return to the uk where my family and support network were. Spoke to lawyers and was basically told I’d be wasting my time as it would always be ruled that she should remain in the country she is ordinarily resident. He kicked off so much that my family would have to come and visit us in Italy as he always claimed he didn’t trust me to bring her back if I took her to the uk!

Oh okay, that changes everything then and makes it totally fine to not respect your daughter’s wishes regarding her own name.

Cookiesandcream1989 · 21/01/2025 10:39

rainbowunicorn · 21/01/2025 10:32

Why is it odd for someone who has an Italian name and was born and brought up in Italy as an Italian citizen with an Italian parent to want to use the Italian pronunciation of her name.

It's very odd for someone with a foreign parent to expect their parent to pronounce their name in an accent that's foreign to that parent, when the parent chose a name that works in the parents' own language.

My husband is from another country, so we chose names for our children that exist in both our languages, but even still, he pronounces their names differently from the English way, and our children accept that as totally normal. Hang around any bilingual/bicultural families and you will see that it is a very frequent thing.

MissDoubleU · 21/01/2025 10:39

Purplecatshopaholic · 21/01/2025 10:38

Call her what you like if you don’t want much of a relationship with her op. Alternatively, respect her wishes..

This is the crux of it OP. Call her anything you want, but be prepared for her to stop calling you.

doveshadow · 21/01/2025 10:40

WishinAndHopin · 21/01/2025 10:33

You’re getting a tough time here OP.

It’s no surprise you’ve dug your heels in - your daughter told you - who picked the name - that you are pronouncing this name wrong! How ignorant, stupid and disrespectful.

It sounds like she’s trying to fully identify with her dad’s heritage and country and wants to sound more exotic than plain old Bella, or Issy. It’s pretentious and she’ll probably be embarrassed when she’s older.

Claiming that no one has called her anything except Isa is a lie. None of her UK friends or teachers would have called her that naturally unless she attempted to enforce it, which would have met with limited success. As an adult, every time she gets a non-social phone call, or called into an appointment they will call her Isabella with the English pronunciation.

A child changing their name is a rejection of their parents’ choice for them, so it will sting. It is also asking something of you that will never feel right or natural. Ultimately, it’s their choice, but she has not been respectful about it at all.

It’s not like she said, “Mum I prefer Isa and it suits me much better. This is what feels right for me and what everyone else is calling me now.” She’s stupidly said you are wrong about your own baby name choice which is incredibly rude, she is blatantly lying/exaggerating about “no one” else calls her that, and it seems like this new insistence is to make herself seem more exotic which is juvenile and may not last. And the short name she has picked is not sustainable in the UK, she will have to keep enforcing it. None of it is sensible or authentic.

I suspect she’s pretending that Eesabella is her “real name” (as opposed to different pronunciation of the same) and doesn’t want you to embarrass her by letting it slip that she’s just regular Isabella to anyone English.

As far as I understand it, she lived and was educated in Italy, not the UK, and she still lives there so she is not going to be going to a lot of appointments here.

FWIIW, I have a nickname and no-one who knows me calls me by my given name, not even my doctor, but I don’t mind being called it in more formal situations. I would have been very angry if my parents had decided not to use my nickname and insisted on calling me the name on my birth certificate.

PigInAHouse · 21/01/2025 10:40

bannsise · 21/01/2025 10:31

I didn’t choose to raise her in Italy I had a very short relationship with her dad and ended up pregnant, he promised me the world, broke up with me before her 1st birthday and refused to let me return to the uk where my family and support network were. Spoke to lawyers and was basically told I’d be wasting my time as it would always be ruled that she should remain in the country she is ordinarily resident. He kicked off so much that my family would have to come and visit us in Italy as he always claimed he didn’t trust me to bring her back if I took her to the uk!

None of which is your daughter’s fault, and has no bearing on her desire to use a shortening and pronunciation of her name that is common in her home country.

godmum56 · 21/01/2025 10:41

Deliaskis · 21/01/2025 10:36

You're still making it all about you OP. What your daughter is asking is not a bit unreasonable or outlandish, your refusal to respect her very simple request is very unreasonable. The background to why she was born and raised in Italy is irrelevant.

As many posters have pointed out, if a stranger or colleague or any other adult asked this you would respect that. Please show your daughter the same respect.

This. I said further up the thread that if the OP continues on her path, she will solve the problem by no longer being in contact with her daughter. Just crack on OP!

DogRuff · 21/01/2025 10:41

bannsise · 21/01/2025 08:29

She argues she wasn’t raised in the uk and she actively doesn’t identify as British (claims it would be embarrassing to be British).

She’s sounding more irritating and up herself by the second - however you still need to call her what she wants to be called.

WishinAndHopin · 21/01/2025 10:41

KrisAkabusi · 21/01/2025 10:37

You could at least have read the OPs other posts before going off on that rant!

Everything is pretty much the exact opposite of what you've assumed. She has lived in Italy her whole life and wants her mother to pronounce her name the way everyone else that knows her does. Nothing to do with wanting to appear exotic FFS!

No but the rest of the points still stand and my impression of the daughter rejecting her mother’s culture was correct, though for different motivations.

Rather than wanting to be exotic, the daughter is being racist against her mother, thinking that being half British is “embarrassing”.

She’s disrespectful and not empathising with the fact this is a rejection. I’m not surprised the mum is digging her heels in.

MrsDoof · 21/01/2025 10:42

WishinAndHopin · 21/01/2025 10:36

Just read the whole thread, should have done so first.

I think it’s appalling and racist that the daughter thinks it’s “embarrassing” to be half British. It’s a rejection of her mother and who she is.

‘British’ isn’t a race, hth

myrtleWilson · 21/01/2025 10:43

@WishinAndHopin has the OP said her daughter is a different race to her, I’ve missed that

PigInAHouse · 21/01/2025 10:43

WishinAndHopin · 21/01/2025 10:33

You’re getting a tough time here OP.

It’s no surprise you’ve dug your heels in - your daughter told you - who picked the name - that you are pronouncing this name wrong! How ignorant, stupid and disrespectful.

It sounds like she’s trying to fully identify with her dad’s heritage and country and wants to sound more exotic than plain old Bella, or Issy. It’s pretentious and she’ll probably be embarrassed when she’s older.

Claiming that no one has called her anything except Isa is a lie. None of her UK friends or teachers would have called her that naturally unless she attempted to enforce it, which would have met with limited success. As an adult, every time she gets a non-social phone call, or called into an appointment they will call her Isabella with the English pronunciation.

A child changing their name is a rejection of their parents’ choice for them, so it will sting. It is also asking something of you that will never feel right or natural. Ultimately, it’s their choice, but she has not been respectful about it at all.

It’s not like she said, “Mum I prefer Isa and it suits me much better. This is what feels right for me and what everyone else is calling me now.” She’s stupidly said you are wrong about your own baby name choice which is incredibly rude, she is blatantly lying/exaggerating about “no one” else calls her that, and it seems like this new insistence is to make herself seem more exotic which is juvenile and may not last. And the short name she has picked is not sustainable in the UK, she will have to keep enforcing it. None of it is sensible or authentic.

I suspect she’s pretending that Eesabella is her “real name” (as opposed to different pronunciation of the same) and doesn’t want you to embarrass her by letting it slip that she’s just regular Isabella to anyone English.

Probably best to read the thread before investing your time in such a long and incorrect post.
The OP’s daughter has never lived in the U.K. She lives in Italy, and always has. Her dad’s heritage is her heritage, as that was the culture and country she was brought up in.

HipToTheHopDontStop · 21/01/2025 10:43

Manchesterbythesea · 21/01/2025 09:24

YANBU. I think your daughter is being an immature welp.

Only because you haven't at all understood the issue.

PigInAHouse · 21/01/2025 10:44

Rather than wanting to be exotic, the daughter is being racist against her mother, thinking that being half British is “embarrassing”

Her daughter is the same race as her. ‘British’ isn’t a race.

DogRuff · 21/01/2025 10:45

It does throw up an interesting question though… the “eesa” pronunciation is more because of accent really isnt it?

Like, my Nottingham relative would pronounce “Hayley” as something like “Airleh” (actually it would be “Ar-Airleh” 😁) - what if Hayley preferred that pronunciation? She’d be effectively asking people to affect a Nottingham accent… hmm.

ChicLilacSeal · 21/01/2025 10:46

Over40Overdating · 21/01/2025 10:35

@ChicLilacSeal I don’t think an adult asking to be called the name they grew up with and that everyone calls them in the country and culture they live in is twattish, no.

I also don’t think that not identifying with a culture she was not raised in, which may have been forced on her negatively if OPs attitude is anything to go by, is twattish either.

If OP is not obliged to respect her daughter’s request or heritage then her daughter is not obliged to honour hers. Giving birth is not a free for all for actually acting like a twat but crying victim instead.

The fact she has not pulled up one single poster insulting her daughter is very telling, and I imagine the name is the last in a long line of things the OP - who left her child to live in another country 6 years ago - has demanded go her way rather than respect her daughter’s autonomy.

But I said that insulting her mother's nationality - and therefore her mother - is twattish. Nothing to do with her name choice.

I notice you failed to include my question to you, which was: So you don't think that her insulting her mother is being twattish?

There are remedial classes for adults who struggle with reading comprehension, you know.

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