Grooming gangs being labelled as "Muslim grooming gangs"

[Olga009933]

Why is religious heritage of child sex offenders only mentioned in headlines when the offenders are of south Asian and predominantly Muslim heritage.
Why not just label them as "grooming gangs" or "Asian grooming gangs" (if wanting to be be specific).
Just thinking and wondering about the thousands of white British and presumably non-Muslim sex offenders who make the news. How many of them are labelled "Christian sex attacker" or "Jewish pervert" etc? Why is the religious heritage of a sex offender only mentioned why the offenders are of Muslim background?
If mentioning religion for one particular demographic then surely its only fair to mention the religious heritage of them all?

What the f%## are you rambling on about

Btw I didn’t mention these talks took place YEARS before the scandal came out in the press.

Had people in authority been brave enough to call a spade a spade back when Sikhs were first reporting the grooming how many lives could have been saved?

but yes let’s carry on virtue signalling and showing off how intellectual and progressive we are.

Look up the meaning and relevance of "per capita " 🙄.

If you refer to gangs as Asian you will lose the fact that very significant differences exist within that category.

Nuance matters.

For example: Muslims are disproportionately offending massively in the UK. You cannot argue this has anything to do with racism as Sikhs and Hindus do not follow this trend. We need to be specific in order to come up with effective solutions that actually targets the problem efficiently

Groomers! Why? What is the problem with what I wrote?

The sugar and spice poster isn’t genuine or is part of the gangs. They left a laughing emoji on my post where I shared some of the abuse in my hometown as a child and teenager.

VILE

Average woke person:

"If innocent men don't like the backlash/stigma from male violence then they need to stand up and challenge the perpetrators within their ranks. If you're not part of the solution you're part of the problem."

Same woke person:

"Oh no, we can't discuss Muslim crimes. Innocent Muslims may face backlash/stigma."

🤔

I think it’s deflecting from the issue, the root cause is not misogyny in this case, it’s Islam, and yes misogyny is a huge part of Islam so it plays a big role- but we are talking about Muslim grooming gangs. It’s a big thing, it’s not just one little statistic among a hundred others, it’s in the very fabric of their belief system. Sorry I was just impatient with the listing of a load of other things. Yes they were Muslim, they are following their prophet. Any Christian that did those acts wouldn’t be following Jesus, who never harmed anyone, was celibate, protected children, stated that sex is only between one man and one woman for life. They’d be following only their evil desires, contrary to his example. I mean this is about root cause, so while many people from many walks of life do commit vile acts, when it comes to specifically muslim gangs, there is a root cause within Islam, and an example they follow religiously whose footsteps they are literally following in. Therefore the use of the word “Muslim” is not only relevant because they are Muslim, it is also relevant because what they are doing is exactly what their prophet did. If a bunch of Christian’s were to be called a “Christian grooming gang” it would reflect on a common denominator, they profess to be Christian’s. However if would be evident that they are not following Jesus and their actions are not the fruit of Christianity because that was not his example. The same cannot be said about Islam and Mohammed. Sorry I was a bit harsh

This graph suggests that if the Muslim population was equal to the Christian population there'd be 209,000 Muslims in jail vs 35,000 Christians.

And the fact remains that vast majority of those offenders don’t even claim to BE Christian, they are just white. The minority that would say they are Christian- their actions are not prescribed for them in the Bible. They are taught the opposite, they are not following their professed religion. The actions of Muslim grooming gangs are led by the example of prophet Mohammed, therefore they ARE following their religion, and they also identify as Muslim and as others have pointed out, some have even honestly justified their actions using Mohammed as the example

someone try justifying any of those things using the actions of Jesus Christ as the example. There is a very clear distinction here.

Most 'Christian' people don't actually go to church nowadays from my observations. Many would state their religion as Christianity but they don't generally worry about how the lord perceives them.

This isn’t fair . You are stepping over a line and accusing all Muslims. Most Muslims think this behaviour is horrific . It’s not fair to blame all Catholics for peadophile priests and it’s not fair to blame all Muslims for the grooming gangs.

How is it? Religion is built on misogyny including Christianity and if you do not understand that then the words Jesus Christ springs to mind! All rape of females is down to misogyny. People do not see that as a hate crime nor do they see it as a root of crimes.

So why should we investigate only the cover up of muslim groomers and not white groomers? Surely the cover up of all grooming should be investigated not just one group? What does that say to the victims of other groomers? That it doesn't matter?

Islam and Mohammed?

It’s because they don’t have any argument, @Permafrosty

Not sure you read my post. There’s a difference between doctrine and people. many Muslims don’t act the way their prophet did, but he is called the example that all good Muslims should follow. Now, we would have a huge problem in this world if every Muslim followed after Mohammed’s example. If every Christian followed after Jesus example we’d have the opposite scenario.

Jesus and Mohammed are as opposite as day and night

This thread is becoming a mess.
It’s wrong to cover up the truth of these crimes. Many of the perpetrators were choosing their victims based on a misogynistic version of their religion and should be acknowledged and addressed.
But it’s wrong to jump from that to saying “all Muslims..”

Where did anyone say “all Muslims”

Saying “the doctrine of islam” and “the example of their prophet Mohammed” , is not the equivalent of saying “all Muslims”

Try to read and understand, or you get yourself in a tizz trying to leap immediately to the virtue signalling condemnation of those who speak honestly about Islam.

I was replying to this post
“As far as I’m concerned, people defend Islam for one of a few reasons.

1. virtue signalling
2. Ignorance
3. They have a nice Muslim neighbour
4. They are a Muslim and are either in denial or actually secretly believe Mohammed was a good man
5. They are a paedophile themself
6. They defend Islam to the death without knowing much about it- which promotes paedophilia and many other vile acts.

Wherever you are on that scale, you are defending a paedophile prophet, by denying the facts of the matter. If you’re cool with that, well, I don’t have to live with you. You have to live with yourself”

If you got a problem with Islam that’s one thing. But it’s not fair to imply that the grooming gangs represent Islam . There are many types of Muslims and the vast majority are not like this ( obviously)

I do not why but if this is the case and there are indeed Muslims gangs grooming young girls past or present. We in the West should not be gaslighted if there is a culture, religion or people from places who have this kind of attitude towards young women and children they should of course be named, shamed and be held accountable. As well as they do it with white people and celebrities these days.

I’m not in a tizz.
I just think it’s unfair to use the rape gangs to make your points about the doctrine of Islam/ the prophet Mohammed .

There is clear causation

if my house burned down, would it be unfair to blame the person who threw the match into the living room window?