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Financial abuse?

112 replies

Clmt · 15/01/2025 18:16

Long story short, my sons dad told me he wont be paying for him anymore and will not be having him overnight one night every weekend, because I simply asked him to have him on the weekend he was due to have him? (He said I misunderstood, although I have texts that show we both understood the schedule).

He has been on a 'career break' for 7 months, since I filed for CMS (our son is 8 months old) and has got money (I worked in HR at our company so I know exactly how much money he took home each month. Before the left he took home £75k in one month in commission).

I filed for court because he can't stick to a schedule and financially abuses me.

What do you make of these messages and what do you suggest I do?

My maternity pay ends next month and benefits won't cover me. I'm looking for work but as of yet haven't had any luck.

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Frankiedear · 15/01/2025 19:29

You can't force him to have the contact, not sure from those messages if he is controlling but if he is using contact / maintenance as a way of controlling you, there are ways to mitigate this - maintenance via cms, contact - just don't rely on him, I paid my cm for times when exh had contact as he was so unreliable, now I shouldn't have needed to do this but it saved my sanity and he couldn't control me so money worth spent

Mauro711 · 15/01/2025 19:29

redstroll · 15/01/2025 19:27

so how have you been accessing his pay recently?

Well no, she says he’s not worked for the last 7 months.

redstroll · 15/01/2025 19:30

Youre not going back to the workplace
so how are you planning to support yourself

LittleRedRidingHoody · 15/01/2025 19:30

Additionally - a court won't force him to have more contact. It might agree he doesn't need as much contact, but that doesn't seem to be what you want.

I'd tread carefully. Reading your messages it seems you could perhaps remain civil and come off far better in terms of a private CMS arrangement and contact.

redstroll · 15/01/2025 19:31

Mauro711 · 15/01/2025 19:29

Well no, she says he’s not worked for the last 7 months.

so cms would be zero

you have really shot yourself in the foot there if he was paying you £500 a month for one child

Clmt · 15/01/2025 19:31

redstroll · 15/01/2025 19:27

so how have you been accessing his pay recently?

I havent, but I know he is minted. I lived with him...he was my partner. And I still see his lifestyle as we have mutual friends

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Wavescrashingonthebeach · 15/01/2025 19:31

He's a cunt but this isn't financial abuse. Stop rising to his bait.
Leave him to it for now, let the dust settle, calm down and focus on your child.
If he's on UC he only has to pay £7 a week i think it is. He will get bored of this and earn again. Just make sure you've filed your CMS claim and they can take it automatically. It will cost him more if it's taken out automatically it's better to come to some kind of agreement.
The watch is irrelevant.

Clmt · 15/01/2025 19:32

redstroll · 15/01/2025 19:30

Youre not going back to the workplace
so how are you planning to support yourself

Get a new job. He was shagging our coworker whilst I was pregnant. So I will not go back

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Wavescrashingonthebeach · 15/01/2025 19:33

Ah just seen that you had a previous private agreement. Yes that would be better than the minimal amount you'd be awarded through cms.

BeMellowOchreZebra · 15/01/2025 19:33

Clmt · 15/01/2025 18:57

The issue is that he is minted and he is using money to manipulate me into doing what he wants. He decides if he wants to pay month to month based on how he feels about me at the time. That is obvious that hes being manipulative...does no one else see it?

Court is because he keeps canceling and rescheduling his time with our son meaning I have to keep cancelling my plans cos he has let us down for nights out etc

Being minted is irrelevant. He is not working at the moment. He has already given you £500 for January.

Your use of language is quite aggressive and controlling:

"You: Yes or no?
Him: I haven't decided.
You: I'll take that as no then."

If you worked in HR at the company then why can't you go back to work there? You need to focus on finding employment.

Mauro711 · 15/01/2025 19:33

Clmt · 15/01/2025 19:32

Get a new job. He was shagging our coworker whilst I was pregnant. So I will not go back

God, what a truly shit human. I’m sorry he’s putting you and your child through this.

Dodonutty · 15/01/2025 19:34

As I said, I hope that you have informed your employer of the relationship between you if you still both work for the same organisation. I would expect it to be immediately flagged if you were able to access personal information about your ex which could be used to your own advantage. I hope your ex has raised the risk of you abusing his personal information and information barriers are put in place as soon as you return from mat leave. You're in a position of trust which you are abusing right now.

Dodonutty · 15/01/2025 19:35

X post!

Mauro711 · 15/01/2025 19:35

Dodonutty · 15/01/2025 19:34

As I said, I hope that you have informed your employer of the relationship between you if you still both work for the same organisation. I would expect it to be immediately flagged if you were able to access personal information about your ex which could be used to your own advantage. I hope your ex has raised the risk of you abusing his personal information and information barriers are put in place as soon as you return from mat leave. You're in a position of trust which you are abusing right now.

She’s not. He left that job 7 months ago and the woman he was cheating on her with is there so OP won’t be going back. She’s not abusing him.

Clmt · 15/01/2025 19:35

BeMellowOchreZebra · 15/01/2025 19:33

Being minted is irrelevant. He is not working at the moment. He has already given you £500 for January.

Your use of language is quite aggressive and controlling:

"You: Yes or no?
Him: I haven't decided.
You: I'll take that as no then."

If you worked in HR at the company then why can't you go back to work there? You need to focus on finding employment.

I talk like that with him because he is very coercive and can never give straight answers. He loves to keep me guessing. Im not returning to my old job because he was having an affair with our colleague (who I thought was my friend) whilst I was pregnant

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ByQuaintAzureWasp · 15/01/2025 19:37

My advice is only contact via email or a parent app.
Before you press 'send' ... visualise a judge reading your message.
He's a Twait BTW!

redstroll · 15/01/2025 19:37

Clmt · 15/01/2025 19:35

I talk like that with him because he is very coercive and can never give straight answers. He loves to keep me guessing. Im not returning to my old job because he was having an affair with our colleague (who I thought was my friend) whilst I was pregnant

so what are you going to do for money?

Clmt · 15/01/2025 19:37

Dodonutty · 15/01/2025 19:34

As I said, I hope that you have informed your employer of the relationship between you if you still both work for the same organisation. I would expect it to be immediately flagged if you were able to access personal information about your ex which could be used to your own advantage. I hope your ex has raised the risk of you abusing his personal information and information barriers are put in place as soon as you return from mat leave. You're in a position of trust which you are abusing right now.

They knew about us. I havent abused him in any way, I was doing my job by processing his wages. We both left 7 months ago.

Not sure where your view comes from but please read the facts first

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Clmt · 15/01/2025 19:38

redstroll · 15/01/2025 19:37

so what are you going to do for money?

Find a new employment, which I am already doing

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redstroll · 15/01/2025 19:39

Clmt · 15/01/2025 19:38

Find a new employment, which I am already doing

are you receiving maternity pay?

LivingLaVidaBabyShower · 15/01/2025 19:40

Hollietree · 15/01/2025 18:35

Your messages are very aggressive, like a dog with a bone. If I was in the receiving end of messages like that I would be pulling my hair out at the thought of dealing with you.

I know you are looking out for your child, trying to make ends meet, and I’m sure he’s been a twat who is not stepping up for his child. So I totally understand your frustration.

But I would suggest calming down your messages, be amicable for the best interest of your child. He is more likely to step up financially and be a better Father to your child if you can be pleasant. Bite your tongue and play nice.

Unfortunately this.

You catch more flies with honey than vinegar...

File for CMS he is paye and presumably cant stay on his career break forever.

September1013 · 15/01/2025 19:40

He’s a dick but this passive aggressive confrontational approach isn’t going to help you.

You can go through CMS but if there’s no evidence of earnings then he won’t be required to pay. You can also get a child arrangements order through family court but again he can’t be forced to see his child.

Or you can forget the court process and deal with him directly, but the current approach you are taking isn’t likely to work. Read up on “grey rock” technique, this can help you to avoid giving an emotional response when he’s playing games. If he doesn’t get a reaction then he’s less likely to mess you about.

Some of the parent communication courses that the courts recommend may also be helpful - they often suggest you treat it as a business relationship rather than a personal one, this can help reframe things and keep the emotion out of it.

Clmt · 15/01/2025 19:41

redstroll · 15/01/2025 19:39

are you receiving maternity pay?

It ended this month

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Dodonutty · 15/01/2025 19:41

Senior finance professional. If you're on mat leave at the moment, you are still an employee. You would have been moved away from being able to access any of his personal information the moment it was clear that you were in a relationship with each other in my organisation.

Clmt · 15/01/2025 19:43

September1013 · 15/01/2025 19:40

He’s a dick but this passive aggressive confrontational approach isn’t going to help you.

You can go through CMS but if there’s no evidence of earnings then he won’t be required to pay. You can also get a child arrangements order through family court but again he can’t be forced to see his child.

Or you can forget the court process and deal with him directly, but the current approach you are taking isn’t likely to work. Read up on “grey rock” technique, this can help you to avoid giving an emotional response when he’s playing games. If he doesn’t get a reaction then he’s less likely to mess you about.

Some of the parent communication courses that the courts recommend may also be helpful - they often suggest you treat it as a business relationship rather than a personal one, this can help reframe things and keep the emotion out of it.

I have tried to deal with him directly but he has done everything he can to make my life difficult. I even have texts of him telling me he is going to make my life as difficult as possible, because I kept our baby? Lol!

I'm just at my wits end. I know I cant stop contact for any reason, even if hes abusive towards me. So what do I do? Its all by his rules

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