To be completely shocked by this - Bridget can’t tell us the impact of the government’s VAT on Education?

[Sasskitty]

Bridget Phillipson dodges question on impact of private school tax raid

As parents and schools complain of chaos, Ms Phillipson refuses to spell out details of the assessment made by the department for education

Bridget Phillipson failed to spell out the full impact of the government’s private school VAT raid, dodging the question when asked about the possible implications for special education schools.

While she said the government has “looked at all of the potential impacts”, her answer failed to provide any real detail on the expected consequences.

It comes as parents and schools complain about the implications of the tax raid, which came into force on New Year’s Day and is expected to raise £1.5bn for the Treasury.

YABU - Bridget Phillipson has it all in hand. She just didn’t feel like answering the pesky question. The point is to piss rich people off. Leave Labour alone, they want nothing but erm oh I’m not sure.

YANBU - Phillipson clearly has no idea what the impact of VAT on Education will be. Nor does she really care as long as she’s seen to be punishing those horrible rich people. Or even better (it seems) the not really rich ones just trying to improve the education of their children as the available state schools were not suitable.

https://apple.news/AO7fcmrzuRaik4stLaPQxwA

(sorry paywall but there’s not much more in the article)

PS. I’ve removed the poll tally, no one needs to see real data. Do they?

Nobody actually cares outside Mumsnet. Most people think it's a great idea.

Have you noticed society is falling down around our ears thanks to years of tory mismanagement? Why do you feel other people should be joining you in being up in arms about such a tiny, tiny niche issue?

Completely agree. Should have been done years ago

I’ll tell you the benefit analysis. The govt will have more money with this policy than without it. All the data we need. 👍🏻

If you can't accommodate the increase maybe you never really could afford it.

That's plainly nonsense isn't it 😂 Try applying that "logic" to anything else you have to pay for. "If you can't afford an extra x% on top of your food shop you couldn't really afford it in the first place"

So state education could easily support the 100,000 children in the private sector with additional needs could it? if so why do I keep reading that SEND support is on its knees in state schools?

People used to refer to Boris Johnson and Rishi Sunak by their first names. You're just deflecting.

How many of those 100,000 with additional needs are actually severe enough to be entitled to anything extra if in state education? How many are getting serious additional support in the private sector?
I suspect 99% have something like dyslexia or dyspraxia and the state system won’t do anything extra for them at all. Rather than needing a 1-1 TA.

I'm noticing a trend. I certainly never refer to any politician by their first name. But here on MN, there's a definite trend from certain posters to denigrate the current government's female members especially - see also 'Rachel from accounts'. It just isn't very grown up, is it?

I suspect the government probably do have the data, but don't want to share it. Remind me who also did a lot of that? It's a thing governments do, end of.

Well lots of state schools are crying out for teachers aren't they?

None of this is a surprise. Government policies affect different groups at different times. This government clearly stated they were going to put VAT on school fees if they were elected. They have been elected on that manifesto, and now they are putting VAT on school fees. What did you expect?

We were thinking this policy might help fill some of the places we have in our state school as we have a falling roll and every pupil we get through the door, brings us more funding. We haven had a single one yet.

You miss the key point which is that this will result in a net cost to the taxpayer.

How many other taxes on merit goods result in harm to some and a burden for the taxpayer?

There are literally no winners with this policy. It is an awful reflection on Labour.

I suspect the government probably do have the data, but don't want to share it.

Why wouldn’t they want to share it?

The big changes will be seen from September onwards particularly in Reception and Year 7 intake.

To move mid year you have to have been in pretty dire circumstances.

I’m shocked anyone is shocked that the government don’t know what they’re doing, especially around this policy. They aren’t doing it because they care about education, they’re doing it to appease those who are jealous that they can’t provide private school.

if they wanted to improve state education they could do it and still leave private schools alone, but they won’t, because this looks good to their reverse snob voters.

Any progressive government would be looking to subsidise places at private schools to increase the number attending them. That is what happens in most countries.

What we are left with is quite frankly embarrassing.

‘They are not taxing education, they are taxing private education.’

What is private education, if not education?

What an original thread OP (yawn). Just as well you disabled voting - the comments suggest it wouldn't have gone the way you wanted it to.

Oh boo hoo! It was a manifesto pledge.

🙄 This not limited to the women.
do you know

Boris?
Tony?
Nigel?

Thought so. Stop making up misogyny where it doesn’t exist.

(I do agree that the Rachel ‘from accounts’ is likely to be misogynistic, I’ve never said it myself ).

YABU - Bridget Phillipson has it all in hand. She just didn’t feel like answering the pesky question. The point is to piss rich people off. Leave Labour alone, they want nothing but erm oh I’m not sure.

YANBU - Phillipson clearly has no idea what the impact of VAT on Education will be. Nor does she really care as long as she’s seen to be punishing those horrible rich people. Or even better (it seems) the not really rich ones just trying to improve the education of their children as the available state schools were not suitable.

PS. I’ve removed the poll tally, no one needs to see real data. Do they?

So it's just a one-sided rant? Fair play. Not a lot of point engaging for anyone else though, is there?

I agree, it's an example of populism - something that will sound 'good' (punish the rich blablabla) but not actually achieve anything much or address any of the fundamental inequalities out there.

I think it’s reasonable for people to assess whether a policy has actually delivered what it was supposed to deliver and that a proper impact assessment is done. The “vibes” matter less than material outcome imo. You should have a bloody good reason for disrupting the education of any child.

Boring.

Who is jealous? The Labour Party or the rest of the population who don’t send their kids to private school? You said Labour is doing it to appease those who are jealous, well, who are they?