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To think men and women are not the same

102 replies

B0xes · 15/01/2025 08:08

And that you would never find 100 women willing to have sex with the same man on the same day.

And women seem to be under pressure to pretend this isn't true.

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Frowningprovidence · 15/01/2025 09:24

I think exactly like Didimum

unsync · 15/01/2025 09:28

100 mentally stable, non traumatised or groomed women - unlikely. We should not be normalising this kind of behaviour.

SomethingFun · 15/01/2025 09:30

I don’t think you could put a call out and get 100 women off the street to queue up to take it in turns to sit on a penis (or a dildo if people can’t get past the logistics) for two minutes at a time whilst it’s being filmed, no. There might be 100 women in the country as a whole who would do that perhaps, but I imagine they are usually paid for their services. As an average women I fail to see any appeal, I don’t really see what the appeal is for a man tbh - two mins of sex on camera - way hey!

BySpryRubyBee · 15/01/2025 09:32

Not a chance any woman would do the same reversed unless she was a sex worker getting something out of it such as money or publicity for her Only Fans.

Startinganew32 · 15/01/2025 09:32

unsync · 15/01/2025 09:28

100 mentally stable, non traumatised or groomed women - unlikely. We should not be normalising this kind of behaviour.

Neither Lily nor Bonnie nor the majority of the only fans girls are traumatised or groomed and don’t appear to have MH issues either. People like to think that a woman would only do this stuff if they were desperate, drug addicted and had no choice but there’s a whole generation of girls who definitely would if it earned them money.

Mollydoggerson · 15/01/2025 09:38

There is a sex museum in Barcelona, I haven’t been there, but apparently it claims the most sexual partners a woman had in one day was well over 1000, and for a man it was around 250.

harder for men to keep going, easier for women to receive.

There are people who find this competitive or entertaining. There is nowt as odd as folk.

BlubieblubDutch · 15/01/2025 09:44

If say, some kpop star or popular male Onlyfans model would announce he would perform oral sex on 100 of his fans, I bet you there are women in the thousands who would line up. Women and men might be different in how they view the people they have sex with, but having spent some time in both fandom and women-centric porn spaces, there are plenty of women who would do this.

The narrative/motive would be a little different, but there are so many women who simply throw money at men online to support them that this isn't that far of a stretch. I actually believe that if this was reversed, there wouldn't be as many cancellations as from what I have seen, women can be some of the most dedicated fans.

I keep using the word fans because the woman OP is alluding to is an online star with thousands of fans, not a random woman off the street.

UmbrellaEllaEllaElla · 15/01/2025 09:52

Of course men and women aren't the same. And yes I'd agree re your first point.

Flustration · 15/01/2025 09:54

I think it's an interesting thought experiment.

It comes down to 'what's in it for me'

I think most of the men do it to gain social capital in a porn-soaked misogynistic society, although a minority might do it for genuine sexual gratification.

I think women's reasons would be very similar.

The social capital on both sides is coming from a misogynistic system.

Men gain kudos for their manly display of sexual prowess. Women gain kudos for demonstrating their willingness to facilitate this.

Porcelainpig · 15/01/2025 09:55

Spondoolies · 15/01/2025 09:15

They only need to enter each one once, they don’t need to finish! 😬

Most of these men pretty much do that anyway.

Flustration · 15/01/2025 10:00

Another slightly sadder reason occurs to me: loneliness.

Many men struggle to make genuine connections with other humans and I think sex and emotional intimacy get a bit mixed up in their heads.

I wonder how many of the men hoped that she would notice them out of the other 99 men or were just happy to have a woman's attention for 60 seconds?

Would women do this too? I don't know.

TooManyChristmasCards · 15/01/2025 10:02

3rdCoffeeThisMorning · 15/01/2025 08:21

Well that is VERY hypothetical since I don't think man could physically even do 100 women in 1 day.
IF one could, I am sure they would find 100 women in the vast amount of women.

good point 😂

gannett · 15/01/2025 10:17

BlubieblubDutch · 15/01/2025 09:44

If say, some kpop star or popular male Onlyfans model would announce he would perform oral sex on 100 of his fans, I bet you there are women in the thousands who would line up. Women and men might be different in how they view the people they have sex with, but having spent some time in both fandom and women-centric porn spaces, there are plenty of women who would do this.

The narrative/motive would be a little different, but there are so many women who simply throw money at men online to support them that this isn't that far of a stretch. I actually believe that if this was reversed, there wouldn't be as many cancellations as from what I have seen, women can be some of the most dedicated fans.

I keep using the word fans because the woman OP is alluding to is an online star with thousands of fans, not a random woman off the street.

Exactly.

And it's not even hypothetical - male rock stars and athletes have famously had groupies lining up for them.

I think you'd especially find willing takers if anonymity was guaranteed. I think social shame is more of a barrier to female promiscuity than lack of sexual desire. Women are as capable of wanting sex as men but mostly are less keen for everyone to know.

Or at the other end of the spectrum you'd also find willing takers among the women whose careers are based on them not having that social shame, like OnlyFans sex workers. You'd definitely find 100 who'd sign up for this as a publicity stunt (like the Lily Phillips one) where the facts may not be strictly as reported.

VimesandhisCardboardBoots · 15/01/2025 10:17

I used to work behind the bar in a working mens club in the 90s, that had a male stripper night every six months or so. Usually 100 or so there, and I say there were probably 5 each time who would suck the guys dick, and probably another 5 willing to touch it. So no, I don't think it would particularly difficult to find 100 women willing to have sex with a man.

Does that mean I think that men and women are the same when it comes to how we treat sex? Of course not. Evolutionally, we have different functions when it comes to reproduction, so we have millions of years of evolution pushing our brains into thinking about sex into very different ways. And that's before we even get to how our culture teaches us to think about sex.

I'm going to generalise now, but I do think that men have much more sex "noise" in our brains that women do. We think about it more, it's less coupled with love and monogamy and safety for us than it is for most women. It carries fewer risks for us, and its also more likely enjoyable for us. (While I think women are capable of a higher level of enjoyment of sex than men, when the sex is good at least, men are more likely to orgasm from even mediocre sex)

Mollydoggerson · 15/01/2025 10:21

I think people do it for the novelty factor. why do people jump out of planes, bungee jump? For the adrenaline rush, the kudos, the story.

Luminousalumnus · 15/01/2025 10:21

In short yes. Men and women are very different and not just physically.
This wouldn't be in dispute with any other animal species and it's not really disputable in humans.

unsync · 15/01/2025 10:25

Startinganew32 · 15/01/2025 09:32

Neither Lily nor Bonnie nor the majority of the only fans girls are traumatised or groomed and don’t appear to have MH issues either. People like to think that a woman would only do this stuff if they were desperate, drug addicted and had no choice but there’s a whole generation of girls who definitely would if it earned them money.

Even more reason for not normalising it then. Women's bodies are not a commodity, even if they have been treated as such for millenia. We have made so little progress, and that which has been made is being eroded.

ItGhoul · 15/01/2025 10:57

Who is under pressure? I don't think anyone feels any pressure to pretend this at all.

ginasevern · 15/01/2025 12:20

I agree with the OP. I don't think 100 "ordinary" (for want of a better word) women would volunteer to have unpaid sex with one man on the same day. Whereas I firmly believe that 100 "ordinary" men would willing do so. In fact they have! Men and women do not view sex in the same way. For a start, a man penetrates a woman and ejaculates into her so he is effectively marking his territory and potentially sowing his seed. A woman is also (usually) way more vulnerable during intercourse than a man - and a man cannot get pregnant. Men don't need a strong, or even any, emotional connection to a female to shag her. We both view sex differently for very practical evolutionary reasons.

Blue278 · 15/01/2025 12:24

Spondoolies · 15/01/2025 09:15

They only need to enter each one once, they don’t need to finish! 😬

What on earth would any woman get from that? 😁

PizzaPunk · 15/01/2025 12:27

I voted YABU because I don't believe women are under pressure to pretend it isn't true 😳

Startinganew32 · 15/01/2025 12:28

ginasevern · 15/01/2025 12:20

I agree with the OP. I don't think 100 "ordinary" (for want of a better word) women would volunteer to have unpaid sex with one man on the same day. Whereas I firmly believe that 100 "ordinary" men would willing do so. In fact they have! Men and women do not view sex in the same way. For a start, a man penetrates a woman and ejaculates into her so he is effectively marking his territory and potentially sowing his seed. A woman is also (usually) way more vulnerable during intercourse than a man - and a man cannot get pregnant. Men don't need a strong, or even any, emotional connection to a female to shag her. We both view sex differently for very practical evolutionary reasons.

If all women needed an emotional connection to have sex there wouldn’t be so many one night stands. Loads of women don’t give a shit about emotions during sex.
If it was Louis from One Direction offering to go down on 100 women in a day, I can guarantee you’d have a shit ton of volunteers.

JHound · 15/01/2025 12:30

B0xes · 15/01/2025 08:08

And that you would never find 100 women willing to have sex with the same man on the same day.

And women seem to be under pressure to pretend this isn't true.

There are 4bn women on this planet.

I am pretty sure you can find 100 women willing to have sex with the same man in 1 day.

If Nick Cannon can find a ton of women willing to be part of his weird breed kink and sultans and emperors of old could collect concubines like pokemon cards then you can find 100 women. I am sure if Aaron Pierre put a call out loads of women would put their hands up.

I do agree there are absolutely average collective differences between the sexes.

And I doubt many people deny this.

But the variation within sex groups is far greater than the variation between them. I am not the same as every other woman. Nor are all men the same as each other.

Festschriften · 15/01/2025 12:32

ginasevern · 15/01/2025 12:20

I agree with the OP. I don't think 100 "ordinary" (for want of a better word) women would volunteer to have unpaid sex with one man on the same day. Whereas I firmly believe that 100 "ordinary" men would willing do so. In fact they have! Men and women do not view sex in the same way. For a start, a man penetrates a woman and ejaculates into her so he is effectively marking his territory and potentially sowing his seed. A woman is also (usually) way more vulnerable during intercourse than a man - and a man cannot get pregnant. Men don't need a strong, or even any, emotional connection to a female to shag her. We both view sex differently for very practical evolutionary reasons.

I regard sex as a fun activity, like dancing. I'm married now, but had a lot of enjoyable ONS and a couple of successful FWB situations. In my experience, men are far more sentimental about sex than women. I wouldn't volunteer to have sex with one man on the same day as 99 other women because what's in it for me? It's not going to be any fun. But also, I don't think for a moment that the men who volunteer to penetrate a woman with 99 other men are particularly 'normal' either.

MifsBr0wn · 15/01/2025 12:36

It's not about sex, it's about MONEY. And there's gotta be a name for that ?