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My mother is guilting me about being a working parent.

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Sevendayhigher · 10/01/2025 10:04

Hi,

This upset me today and I suppose I'm asking whether I'm being unreasonable for thinking that it's OK to work even though you don't absolutely, 100% HAVE to.

It was a difficult drop off at nursery today because my son is unwell (he's 14 months) and I work from my parents' house.

I mentioned that it's hard being a parent today where most households need a dual income just to sustain themselves. My mother told me that the main reason most households are dual income now is because they 'expect so much out of life, whereas in the 50s people were happy with what they had' (or words to this effect). Apart from the plethora of issues that the 1950s carried, which she agreed was true, I argued that most households could survive on one income fairly comfortably because housing wasn't as expensive as it is today, compared to the salaries that people make. Nowadays it's very hard to get a mortgage with one income, especially if you haven't had money gifted to you. And if you rent, that a crazy cost too. She argued it was the same as in the 1950s, except people didn't 'expect to go on holiday every year or go out for fancy dinners, and were happy with their little house that wasn't that great.' I told her that as a family, we would bloody love 'a little house that wasn't that great' - please can she show us one that we can afford on my husband's salary alone, like people did in the 50s?

She then told me that if we really wanted to, we could move into something like that and I could be a stay at home mum, but that we want to live in a 'fancy area' so don't. She told me we'd be able to afford a house on just my husband's salary if we lived outside London. Not true, but the main thing that irked me was the implication that I'm working my (genuinely low paid) job because we want to live a luxury lifestyle/won't 'lower ourselves' to a cheaper area. She even said that she'd have been prepared to move to the other side of the country if it meant she could stay at home with her children instead of going to work.

What also irks me is that I can see where she's coming from - in theory if we moved to Derbyshire or somewhere very far away we could potentially buy a house and I wouldn't technically have to work. It feels as if my mother is saying that it's not OK to not want to do that - as a parent you have to make every sacrifice in order to stay at home with your child. Even if it means giving up all your family's support around you/living in a place you're unfamiliar with. On a personal note, my husband is visually impaired and unable to drive, so moving out of a city is also very difficult for us transport-wise, but I feel like we shouldn't have to justify ourselves with this??

I know she'd just tell me that she was giving her opinion and I shouldn't be so sensitive about it, but am I being unreasonable to think that it's OK to work in order to not have to give up almost everything in your life? Or is the most important thing staying at home with your child?

OP posts:
SouthLondonMum22 · 10/01/2025 15:43

Catza · 10/01/2025 14:47

What about long-term effects of making this sacrifice? You give up work as you think you don't need to work. Then you are 5 years down the line having minimised your pension pot and stalled your career prospects. Then your spouse falls ill or dies or leaves you. Just one of many things that can happen in life.
Or you float through life working part time and end up in poverty as a pensioner.
Not to mention that kids might actually benefit more from having access to activities and travel which extra income brings rather than "time at home with mum". Nice though as it may be.

This is ultimately why I'd never be a SAHM. I don't see working as optional just because I'm a woman, as far as I'm aware, I need to work as long as the alternative is relying on someone else financially.

peachesarenom · 10/01/2025 15:50

You're doing great!

I'm a stay at home mum but we go out and about and do things because we have the resources to do so. My husband I share the boring housework.

I wouldn't have moved away from my friends and family and to be honest, I more so wouldn't move away from my home city to do it!

Children need happy and well rested parents. Isolating yourself to tick a box to say you're with your children is pretty meaningless in my opinion. I would do the same in your position and you should be proud of what you do for your kids! Like all of us. Parenting is hard, especially when you care about doing a good job!

Yoto · 10/01/2025 16:15

Catza · 10/01/2025 14:47

What about long-term effects of making this sacrifice? You give up work as you think you don't need to work. Then you are 5 years down the line having minimised your pension pot and stalled your career prospects. Then your spouse falls ill or dies or leaves you. Just one of many things that can happen in life.
Or you float through life working part time and end up in poverty as a pensioner.
Not to mention that kids might actually benefit more from having access to activities and travel which extra income brings rather than "time at home with mum". Nice though as it may be.

Your first paragraph is valid - but quite doom-laden. What if that happens? Sure, it's a possibility but if the reason I'm working when I want to be at home is because I'm afraid and trying to cover my arse in case something does happen then it's not much of a life.

The second point is just pure opinion. They MIGHT benefit more from those things, but they might not. That is surely down to the individual child and family. Some kids might yearn for more opportunities, some might be surrounded by activities and sports and holidays and money but feel disconnected. Not one thing applies to everyone.

Dery · 10/01/2025 16:47

I think it would help the discussion if people stopped promoting the view that being an SAHM involves sacrifice in a way that being a WOHM does not (this also feeds into a narrative of sacrifice being what good mothers do, which is in itself an unhealthy trope). Both SAHMs and WOHMs bring different but equally valuable things to the table and both sacrifice some things and gain others. The key point is that no-one should feel guilty for choices carefully made in their family’s best interest.

aylis · 10/01/2025 16:52

God forbid anyone expects anything out of life.

cardibach · 10/01/2025 16:55

oakleaffy · 10/01/2025 10:59

@Sevendayhigher We left renting In Richmond ( we lived on Richmond Hill) for a city 100 miles away to be able to afford a house-

But it was hard emotionally leaving friends and family behind.

I’m visiting mum now and Richmond is lovely , right by the park- but I couldn’t afford a house here, only a flat- and my son ( now adult)doesn’t live here, either!

There are lots of women here who don’t work ( rich husbands) and they have Nannies despite not working.

House prices in relation to earnings are massive now.

Your mum if she bought in London in 1950’s would probably have paid very little.
( Depending on area)
Almost certainly under £10,000 ( Ten thousand) .

I very much doubt the OPs mum bought in the 50s. My daughter is 28, so prime age to perhaps have a 14 month old (a bit younger than average) and I wasn’t born until the 60s. My career started in the 80s and I got on the housing ladder in the 90s. I doubt the OP’s mum is any different so I’m not sure where the 50s come in. All seems a very odd thing for her to have said.

Shinyandnew1 · 10/01/2025 16:57

My mother told me that the main reason most households are dual income now is because they 'expect so much out of life, whereas in the 50s people were happy with what they had

When was your mum born, @Sevendayhigher ?!

JHound · 10/01/2025 16:59

I would threaten her with going NC.

JHound · 10/01/2025 17:00

except people didn't 'expect to go on holiday every year or go out for fancy dinners, and were happy with their little house that wasn't that great.”

How awful, people wanting to enjoy their lives!

Pumpkinforever · 10/01/2025 17:44

Time has moved on. Just ignore her and don’t engage with that conservation.

We no longer live in the 1950s when ‘the little woman at home was the norm’. Society has changed or hasn’t she noticed? Costs have changed, inflation has eroded the value of money, house prices have soared since the 1950s.

I went to work and my kids have turned out ok, both probably earning more than me now. My mum used to piss me off about staying at home etc, always questioned why I need my degree blah blah blah. Now it’s unfair as she is struggling in retirement and she can already see that I will not be in the same position. If I had a pound for each time she said it’s not fair or ‘in my day’ or ‘my generation’ it would fund a fun weekend in Europe every year 😂

Yoto · 10/01/2025 18:18

Pumpkinforever · 10/01/2025 17:44

Time has moved on. Just ignore her and don’t engage with that conservation.

We no longer live in the 1950s when ‘the little woman at home was the norm’. Society has changed or hasn’t she noticed? Costs have changed, inflation has eroded the value of money, house prices have soared since the 1950s.

I went to work and my kids have turned out ok, both probably earning more than me now. My mum used to piss me off about staying at home etc, always questioned why I need my degree blah blah blah. Now it’s unfair as she is struggling in retirement and she can already see that I will not be in the same position. If I had a pound for each time she said it’s not fair or ‘in my day’ or ‘my generation’ it would fund a fun weekend in Europe every year 😂

So your mum stayed at home with you - presumably because she thought it was the best thing to do or because that's what society allowed / encouraged at the time - and now you are sneering at her because those choices haven't worked out? Nice. Perhaps her crystal ball was broken when she made the choices she did, good job yours is fully functioning.

She could definitely be less judgemental but it seems that apple hasn't fallen far from the tree

People are by and large a product of their generation, we cannot entirely escape the thoughts and customs we grow up with - or that the majority of people hold.

Shinytaps · 10/01/2025 18:28

Of course it too to work because you want to not because you absolutely have to to avoid destitution. I am sick of the idea that women should want to be at home and if they can’t don’t want to then “that’s a shame”. Probably a subject best avoided with your mum.

Purpleturtle46 · 10/01/2025 18:30

My Mum is the same. It all just seems to contradictory, they moved to a nice area with a good school, wanted me to get good exam results, do well at uni, start a good career and then what.....give it all up to be a stay at home Mum?!

I can see why that generation feel like we all expect too much and I definitely think there is an element of truth to that. But I also agree when what you are saying about needing 2 salaries to get a house. I think you are both right in some aspects but just coming from different directions.

Pumpkinforever · 10/01/2025 20:01

@Yoto I am certainly not forcing my ideas on my daughter. She can do what suits her. The op’s mother has expressed her opinion and wants the op to do what she did. Society changes all the time.

Elsvieta · 10/01/2025 22:29

Yeah, and the young people can't buy houses because they eat too much avocado toast.

Write down the figures on an average salary and average house price in the fifties, and now. Last time I looked it was something like the latter used to be 3x the former and now it's 10x. Show her the piece of paper. Go through it with a calculator if necessary.

No, you are not wrong to work. I know a mother's place is in the wrong no matter what she does, but really, don't let her bother you.

Facecream24 · 10/01/2025 22:38

cardibach · 10/01/2025 16:55

I very much doubt the OPs mum bought in the 50s. My daughter is 28, so prime age to perhaps have a 14 month old (a bit younger than average) and I wasn’t born until the 60s. My career started in the 80s and I got on the housing ladder in the 90s. I doubt the OP’s mum is any different so I’m not sure where the 50s come in. All seems a very odd thing for her to have said.

But I just turned 40 and my mum was born in the 1940s so it’s not unthinkable. Also have small kids. I’m sure that generation just remember the 50s and subsequent decades well to mention.

cardibach · 10/01/2025 22:45

Facecream24 · 10/01/2025 22:38

But I just turned 40 and my mum was born in the 1940s so it’s not unthinkable. Also have small kids. I’m sure that generation just remember the 50s and subsequent decades well to mention.

So you were born in 84? So your mum was born in 44. She wouldn’t have been buying a house in the 1950s then. Or deciding in the 50s whether to work or stay home when you were born? She did that in the 80s.

Beezknees · 10/01/2025 22:54

My grandmother worked in the 1950s. Being a stay at home parent has never been the norm for the working classes. They couldn't have survived on one wage.

OlderGlaswegianLivingInDevon · 10/01/2025 23:12

Out of curiosity - what age is your mother ?
as the 50's were 70 years ago...

RobinHumphries · 12/01/2025 12:19

YABU simply for making Derbyshire sound like deepest darkest Peru

LBFseBrom · 12/01/2025 18:53

OlderGlaswegianLivingInDevon · 10/01/2025 23:12

Out of curiosity - what age is your mother ?
as the 50's were 70 years ago...

Yes indeed, I am 75. My mother did not go out to work, I always did after having my child, so did most women, if only part time for a few years. I'm jolly glad I did too.

Willwetalk · 15/01/2025 22:54

MinorGodhead · 10/01/2025 10:07

Staying at home with your child in 2024 is (leaving aside illness, additional needs, circumstances that enforce it like being a trailing spouse temporarily without a work visa) a sign you’ve never found sufficiently interesting, rewarding and/or well-paid work. Tell her you feel sad for her lack of choice back in the day.

Or that you wish to parent your children full-time.

Flipflop223 · 15/01/2025 22:58

Sevendayhigher · 10/01/2025 10:04

Hi,

This upset me today and I suppose I'm asking whether I'm being unreasonable for thinking that it's OK to work even though you don't absolutely, 100% HAVE to.

It was a difficult drop off at nursery today because my son is unwell (he's 14 months) and I work from my parents' house.

I mentioned that it's hard being a parent today where most households need a dual income just to sustain themselves. My mother told me that the main reason most households are dual income now is because they 'expect so much out of life, whereas in the 50s people were happy with what they had' (or words to this effect). Apart from the plethora of issues that the 1950s carried, which she agreed was true, I argued that most households could survive on one income fairly comfortably because housing wasn't as expensive as it is today, compared to the salaries that people make. Nowadays it's very hard to get a mortgage with one income, especially if you haven't had money gifted to you. And if you rent, that a crazy cost too. She argued it was the same as in the 1950s, except people didn't 'expect to go on holiday every year or go out for fancy dinners, and were happy with their little house that wasn't that great.' I told her that as a family, we would bloody love 'a little house that wasn't that great' - please can she show us one that we can afford on my husband's salary alone, like people did in the 50s?

She then told me that if we really wanted to, we could move into something like that and I could be a stay at home mum, but that we want to live in a 'fancy area' so don't. She told me we'd be able to afford a house on just my husband's salary if we lived outside London. Not true, but the main thing that irked me was the implication that I'm working my (genuinely low paid) job because we want to live a luxury lifestyle/won't 'lower ourselves' to a cheaper area. She even said that she'd have been prepared to move to the other side of the country if it meant she could stay at home with her children instead of going to work.

What also irks me is that I can see where she's coming from - in theory if we moved to Derbyshire or somewhere very far away we could potentially buy a house and I wouldn't technically have to work. It feels as if my mother is saying that it's not OK to not want to do that - as a parent you have to make every sacrifice in order to stay at home with your child. Even if it means giving up all your family's support around you/living in a place you're unfamiliar with. On a personal note, my husband is visually impaired and unable to drive, so moving out of a city is also very difficult for us transport-wise, but I feel like we shouldn't have to justify ourselves with this??

I know she'd just tell me that she was giving her opinion and I shouldn't be so sensitive about it, but am I being unreasonable to think that it's OK to work in order to not have to give up almost everything in your life? Or is the most important thing staying at home with your child?

She’s completely right of course that expectations are so much higher now and that impacts how we live. Everyone wants everything now. Poverty was poverty back then.

And you could change your lifestyle if you wanted to.

But it’s your choice and not hers as to how you live your life.

Sgreenpy · 15/01/2025 23:03

I think the OP should stop working from her mums house. Perhaps that's the context from this exchange.
Don't like her opinion then work from your own house (using your heating/water/electricity) 😂

SerenityNowSerenityNow · 15/01/2025 23:44

Or that you wish to parent your children full-time.

Working parents are full time parents too.... I don't stop being a parent when I'm at work.