HELP! [Child rape gangs in Bradford]

[bradfordisdamned]

I know this is a horrible subject.

This news article from today shows how much it's being ignored here

After the death of Star Hobson, Bradford was stripped of its child protective services because it was completely unfit.

It continues to be an absolute disaster. I feel that this nightmare is being ignored because Bradford just so happens to be the city of culture for 2025. It's being ignored for many more reasons than that of course, but this is completely and utterly unacceptable. I think officials just don't want to be accused of racism and our children continue to suffer because of it.

Can you please help me make some noise with this? I am going to be writing to my MP, but this needs more attention. We need to put pressure on prominent people to get a public enquiry underway. Rejecting it is despicable. They just don't want to admit we have a major problem.

I am pasting the article here because unfortunately the newspaper site can be riddled with ads that sometimes make it unusable, but I didn't want to ask for Mumsnet help without providing sources.

I don't think I'm being unreasonable to want this enquiry to go ahead. I think Mumsnet will agree with me. Thank you in advance.

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Officials reject new calls for public inquiry on child abuse

A PUBLIC inquiry examining child sexual abuse in the Bradford area is "unlikely to provide us with any new learning", according to the district's safeguarding partnership.
In the House of Commons on Monday, Robbie Moore, Tory MP for Keighley and Ilkley, said "rape gangs and child grooming" have "haunted" the district "for decades" - and he again accused local leaders of refusing to launch an inquiry.

He added that he feared the scale of child sexual abuse and exploitation across the Bradford district would "dwarf that of Rotherham".

In 2014, a report by Professor Alexis Jay described how more than 1,400 children were sexually exploited by gangs of mainly Asian males in Rotherham, South Yorkshire, between 1997 and 2013.

Phillipa Hubbard, of the Bradford District Safeguarding Children Partnership, responded to Mr Moore's remarks by saying: "The national Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse, which was published in October 2022 and to which Bradford contributed, has made it very clear that this is a national issue.

"Like many local authorities up and down the country, we know that agencies in our district have made mistakes in the past.
"This is why we commissioned an independent review into child sexual exploitation which was published in 2021 so that all the agencies in our district who work with children can implement the learning from past cases.

"The review was extremely detailed and thorough, and was written by an independent author. It looked in-depth at local and national learning and best practice.
"In addition to the review, our multi-agency safeguarding team undergoes regular independent scrutiny from Ofsted and the partnership also publishes an annual report, which anyone can read and which is open to public scrutiny.

"All the local agencies who are working in our district to keep children safe are committed to continued development and improvement.
"The view of our partnership remains that a public inquiry would cost a huge amount of money, use precious officer time and is unlikely to provide us with any new learning that would better-protect children from being abused."

In response, Mr Moore said: "This is a complete and utter dereliction of duty.
"The Council says its 2021 review was 'detailed', but it focused on just five children.
"Meanwhile, the Rotherham inquiry focused on the experiences of over 1,400 children.
"The idea that a Bradford inquiry would bring about no new information is an outright falsehood - and I am completely shocked by these comments.

He didn't approach him over racism fears. Those words came out of the man's mouth. No one is lying, no one is making it up. That was one of the points that came out of the inquiry. I think some people are v uncomfortable acknowledging this. But as someone above has said this isn't about Manchester, so I will not comment on it again.

My feeling about local inquiries is that they can't possibly be impartial and therefore effect real change. That the councils-the ones in charge of child safeguarding-are being allowed to mark their own homework. I just can't see that there will be proper systemic change without external investigators.

Oh yes forgot about that lovely term that was used.

The attitude from police and a lot of men that these girls were complete slappers that would go with anyone ‘even p*s’.

These girls were the furthest away from the ‘perfect victim’ as imaginable - from what I remember they were either poor, scruffy and smelly as they often were neglected and with learning difficulties in some cases.

Or otherwise more streetwise and looked older than their years but having family troubles.

In all cases the vulnerability obvious to the men.

I would also like to add that I am extremely anti religion in general because I consider it to be grooming. It's nothing but patriarchal nonsense to be used as control.

The catholic church has an APPALLING history and still gets away with so much, and the poor boys that have been abused under their care is beyond horrible. Nuns abusing girls in catholic schools. Priests doing godafwul things only to be paid to disappear.

I know we have had many threads about this over the last week or so because of a certain billionaire who is using the trauma of rape victims to further his agenda. I hate him. He doesn't care about abused kids, he's using this to manipulate people to get his own way. Politicians who have teamed up with him now, when in the past they have kept silent are just as fucking bad and I hate them too.

This has been going on for so fucking long. It's disgusting and we need to tear it all down.

"People" being concerned about a racism accusation implies an equal culpability of responsibility between private sector actors in their limited capacities and state funded authorities wielding immense power. Whatever DEI bollocks has been fed to the private sector or the public sector, the latter group, especially when it comes to the police, social services and the NHS, should not be able to hide behind racism fears and "sensitivities". The police aren't bouncers at a concert told to be fair to everyone. They are the ones on the ground seeing victims in situ with perpetrators, they are the ones with the crime reports, the stats showing patterns of abuse, the knowledge of local gangs/cultures/criminal fraternities, and the ones with the responsibility and the authority to do something about it. Hiding behind "fear of racism" has been an excuse when it comes to these rape gangs. They can act decisively within minority communities when the will is there, eg to combat anti-terrorism activity. The truth is violence against women and girls has and continues to be unimportant to politicians and the police as institutions, no matter how much lip service they may give to the problem.

I went to Bradford uni, and stayed there for all the 90's so have many happy memories of the place, but we all knew that the city had a dark undercurrent.

Many of the women I spoke to had all heard the same thing, that a lot of Asians had the opinion that white women were basically free prostitutes. I was asked to join a party by a group of men. It was midnight and we were at a petrol station, even then, I knew it would be bad for me to have gone (I wouldnt, my fiance was waiting at home for me).

But it was very noticeable how attitudes of police to crime in the city changed after the early 90's riots. After then, a crime potentially committed by Asians were immediately dropper or not investigated. 30 student houses in 2 streets were burgled over a very short period, none of the non-student houses were touched. No one admitted to seeing the criminals, despite this happening at 6pm in a very busy area and them carrying large TV's etc. Police were less than interested.

My car was watched as it was vandalised by a group of asians, they sat and watched and laughed as the police came who werent interested in even speaking to them.

Having said all that, all the women I knew who had experienced rape had experienced it at the hands of boyfriends or ex boyfriends (except the date rape victim).

I do agree, that an inquiry needs to take place about this, and protections need to be in place so that girls and women are protected from this happening again, however I fear that it is still going on in many areas, not just Bradford, but the men (of all races) have got better at hiding it.

I agree.

Some of the comments I’ve seen today about these girls are vile.

And this is from the men ‘on their side’.

These girls are not seen as victims.

I'm pretty EMOSHUNUL right now, but I think even if we get an inquiry to go with the others, what we really need is ACTION. I don't know what that looks like, but if we can't rely on the authorities to do something because they're corrupt as fuck, I feel like things are doomed. I just want to say thank you to those who have shared their stories, and those who have spoken up in support.

I'm pretty exhausted but I am hoping this thread is still here in the morning because we have a lot of work to do. Our children deserve better and we have to do something. The survivors of child rape and violence deserve to see the pieces of shit who hurt them held to justice.

I have continued to follow this thread. I'm so sorry to hear of all the stories of abuse and harassment that women have experienced.

I believe you.

We need to believe these women, and end the whatabouterry.

Thankyou OP and all other PP sharing their horrible experiences. So sorry for you and I hope you're ok now - brilliant you're using that to fight for other young girls. It's utterly horrific and heartbreaking for all these girls.
Totally agree we need action on the existing inquiry AND a new focussed one specifically looking at these long established networks of highly organised rapists from a specific Pakistani region.
These and all girls need to be protected, and these disgusting men need to be locked up/booted out/ dropped in the ocean.
There needs to be specific funding allocated to prevent this continuing asap. Which charities work in this area- lots of victim support stuff like Women's Aid etc but is there anything that protects girls and helps stop this happening, gives them a safe space?
Maybe we need something like youth centres entirely for girls with classes, support, networking etc. Boys could have one too run by anti gang charities/ people like Andrew Bernie Bernard to help prevent boys getting into these revolting rape gangs. Starmers promised more spending and I'd put this at the top - it's a real risk to the fabric of society if you ask me.

there is no funding, there is nothing - because apparently it is not happening according to the authorities and all governments involved.

Despite the last inquiry and despite people seeing it with their eyes or sadly young girls living it.

Yes it has and since they reduced stop and search alot more mostly black men have been stabbed and died. Another thing the left don't care about.

If you are interested in investigating why a group of seemingly normal, middle class white men acted as a group to rape a drugged Giselle Pellicot you should be equally interested to understand how groups of Pakistani men of Muslim religion acted as a group to sodomise and violently rape white children.

They are all violent men and we should have no sacred castes.

I was stopped and searched. I was fhe random tenth person they stopped ij the train station that day. I happily showed the inside of my handbag and got my train home from work. To then get abused by south asain males when I got off the train in my home town. Called the police - cobwebs….

I actually think there should be more stop and search powers. Even though I was a “victim” of one.

in fairness the officers who stopped me thanked me for my cooperation and told me my handbag (a trendy large shopper from the market) wasn’t very secure and gave me some advice on how to not get pick pocketed. That was almost twenty years ago though when the police sometimes did some actual policing

@Itsverycold it's fucking horrendous - why no media interest? Why no funding? Have there been protest marches in these towns and cities? Risk of riots would be the reason given but risk of attention and justified outcry more like.
We need to keep the momentum going on this - literally 1000s of lives being ruined, probably 10,000s, with more perpetrators being created as this criminal family rape culture mushrooms unabated.

Agree re more stop and search powers too - of loitering cars as well

https://archive.ph/VPkPI

in the times today about the victims

Because another national enquiry will do what exactly?

I think a lot of people genuinely want change but they are being gaslit by the buck passers and agitators who give zero fucks about the victims. National enquiry’s take years and they aren’t the magic bullet that people want them to be.

The chair of the last enquiry, Baroness Jay, has made it clear that the recommendations from her report need to be put into practice and the time for buck passing is over. The local areas where this is happening have had more then enough time to get their houses in order and the cries for another national enquiry, is just a cynical way to do sod all in plain fucking sight. There will probably be an enquiry and Reform and Elon will claim victory and the local governments who have power to affect change will claim they can’t do anything while an enquiry is ongoing.

The sad depressing truth is that there are far too many men, who see children and women as fair game. Just when you think the depravity of some men could not get worse, it always does. Just when you think the laziness and or incompetence of so called professionals could not get any worse, it always does.

Did race play apart in these crimes, yes it did, in the same ways that other paedophiles of other races cynically leverage power and bank on the silence of individuals and organisations who know better but choose not to do better.

I have just listened to a Radio 4 broadcast over a list of members of a Paedophile advocacy group, dating back 40 years. The Police had the list in their possession but hadn’t done anything with it. These men supported the lowering of the age of consent to four years old! The membership included teachers, head teachers, social workers etc.

I do not believe that fear of racism or the race of the children was the overriding factor for why this was not tackled. These children were vulnerable and came from disadvantaged backgrounds and thus easy to ignore or discredit.

Sadly the tolerance for violence and exploitation of children and women is still far too high and is a disgrace. Yes I want change and I want an end to the excuses but the way that this has been weaponised leaves a bad taste in the mouth.

Another fucking enquiry is only going to kick the can further down the road and while all fingers are pointing at another politician who talks a good game when it suits them, this is still happening.

I'm not interested in learning. I know exactly why they did it. They did it because they could. This is why rape is used in every war. Why all your favourite male musicians have got revolting stories of underage groupies.

Because our society doesn't give a shit about women.

There are no sacred castes other than the group collectively known as "men". 😒

But if I were to post a thread calling for inquiries into why men are basically being allowed to rape legally I don't think it would go down well on MN. Because people don't actually care about that. They care about one small group that are getting away with the same thing as all other men because they happen to be brown. This is a massive issue that has nothing to do with race.

I think you must have mixed me up with someone else but please report any posts you feel violated the MN t&c

I remember a front page of the Sun once. Teenage girl, with a pushchair 'I don't know who may baby's dad is'. The article talked about how it could be any one of a large number of men. The whole tone of the article was - what a slag. I don't remember any criticism of the men. This was probably peak teenage mother, benefits, council flat, criticism.

Also, can we just remember the Sun has Sam Fox on page 3 age 16.

I still can't quite believe how nuts people went over the Sun losing its teenage boobs and "hilarious"jokes about women having opinions on the news while topless.

I'm sorry but that is a complete and utter cop out.

Filed under too difficult just like the poor women of Afghanistan who are subjugated by some Muslim men to the point they can't talk to each other and are not educated.

Not ALL muslim men treat women badly and certainly not ALL second generation muslim Pakistani men form groups to target white children to torture and rape because they see them as 'white slags' because of the way they dress or because they see non- muslim females as 'easy meat', but some do, unless you are saying that these children and young women are lying?

Difficult conversations have to be had. You are playing into the hands of ALL men by refusing to acknowledge the issue.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/jan/08/jack-straw-white-girls-easy-meat