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HELP! [Child rape gangs in Bradford]

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bradfordisdamned · 09/01/2025 17:39

I know this is a horrible subject.

This news article from today shows how much it's being ignored here

After the death of Star Hobson, Bradford was stripped of its child protective services because it was completely unfit.

It continues to be an absolute disaster. I feel that this nightmare is being ignored because Bradford just so happens to be the city of culture for 2025. It's being ignored for many more reasons than that of course, but this is completely and utterly unacceptable. I think officials just don't want to be accused of racism and our children continue to suffer because of it.

Can you please help me make some noise with this? I am going to be writing to my MP, but this needs more attention. We need to put pressure on prominent people to get a public enquiry underway. Rejecting it is despicable. They just don't want to admit we have a major problem.

I am pasting the article here because unfortunately the newspaper site can be riddled with ads that sometimes make it unusable, but I didn't want to ask for Mumsnet help without providing sources.

I don't think I'm being unreasonable to want this enquiry to go ahead. I think Mumsnet will agree with me. Thank you in advance.

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Officials reject new calls for public inquiry on child abuse

A PUBLIC inquiry examining child sexual abuse in the Bradford area is "unlikely to provide us with any new learning", according to the district's safeguarding partnership.
In the House of Commons on Monday, Robbie Moore, Tory MP for Keighley and Ilkley, said "rape gangs and child grooming" have "haunted" the district "for decades" - and he again accused local leaders of refusing to launch an inquiry.

He added that he feared the scale of child sexual abuse and exploitation across the Bradford district would "dwarf that of Rotherham".

In 2014, a report by Professor Alexis Jay described how more than 1,400 children were sexually exploited by gangs of mainly Asian males in Rotherham, South Yorkshire, between 1997 and 2013.

Phillipa Hubbard, of the Bradford District Safeguarding Children Partnership, responded to Mr Moore's remarks by saying: "The national Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse, which was published in October 2022 and to which Bradford contributed, has made it very clear that this is a national issue.

"Like many local authorities up and down the country, we know that agencies in our district have made mistakes in the past.
"This is why we commissioned an independent review into child sexual exploitation which was published in 2021 so that all the agencies in our district who work with children can implement the learning from past cases.

"The review was extremely detailed and thorough, and was written by an independent author. It looked in-depth at local and national learning and best practice.
"In addition to the review, our multi-agency safeguarding team undergoes regular independent scrutiny from Ofsted and the partnership also publishes an annual report, which anyone can read and which is open to public scrutiny.

"All the local agencies who are working in our district to keep children safe are committed to continued development and improvement.
"The view of our partnership remains that a public inquiry would cost a huge amount of money, use precious officer time and is unlikely to provide us with any new learning that would better-protect children from being abused."

In response, Mr Moore said: "This is a complete and utter dereliction of duty.
"The Council says its 2021 review was 'detailed', but it focused on just five children.
"Meanwhile, the Rotherham inquiry focused on the experiences of over 1,400 children.
"The idea that a Bradford inquiry would bring about no new information is an outright falsehood - and I am completely shocked by these comments.

Officials reject fresh calls for public inquiry on child abuse in Bradford

A public inquiry examining child sexual abuse in the Bradford area is "unlikely to provide us with any new learning", according to the…

https://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/24843152.officials-reject-new-calls-public-inquiry-child-abuse/

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vikingnorthutsiresouthutsire · 09/01/2025 21:26

@Kendodd Indeed. I only became aware of this in my 20s, having grown up in a very white, middle class village some miles out of Bradford. The school I went to only had one Asian pupil, the son of a doctor. My work and living in Manningham for a while showed me a darker side of Bradford.

Donttellmewhatheknew · 09/01/2025 21:27

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HettysHandbag · 09/01/2025 21:28

GooseMoose2 · 09/01/2025 21:23

There is some truth to the post. On twitter there are court case reports of the most horrific sexual abuse which the bbc and most newspapers have not reported on over the years.

Remember the 3 girls drama shown on bbc?

3 girls raped by Pakistani men , obviously horrific but in no way typical of what the victims went through. The abuse from the gangs was more like torture, trafficking, extreme violence and abuse.

And even in that drama they had to have a northern woman being racist 🙄

The BBC have been involved in some of the worst cases of abuse in this country. And with covering up those cases.

Abuse by white men.

ilovesooty · 09/01/2025 21:28

Itsverycold · 09/01/2025 21:26

He hasn’t helped the situation has he? Mass redundancies are happening in my city, 400 from one predominant employer, my DP was made redundant from the SME company he worked for and I have been told it’s in the cards for mine.

People are angry, the block to the enquiry has angered people even more, so yes there will be unarranged protests that a few will turn into an opportunity to riot

If people choose to riot it's their choice and responsibility. No one else's.

Dismaljanuary · 09/01/2025 21:29

@Donttellmewhatheknew it's such a emotive subject I don't think you understand.

Do you think it's OK to post to people who have really suffered.

It's not fair.

Itsverycold · 09/01/2025 21:29

HettysHandbag · 09/01/2025 21:25

Does anyone really believe that the male rioters weren't also sexual abusers? Extremely violent angry men with no emotional control.

The statistics on men who rape and who would be prepared to rape given the right circumstances is what you should be afraid of. What happened in France is what you should be terrified of. No one gives a shit. Not the police, not the media. The fact that these specific cases involve brown men make it useful for a certain sort of person. But they don't give a shit about the women involved.

Some will be, but they won’t be part of a multigenerational conspiracy to do so, and won’t be using their religious or cultural views to say it’s ok to do so.

lots of men commit abhorrent crimes, but this thread is specifically about the cover up of crimes that fall into a specific bracket that hasn’t been fully investigated

Crowstarlinggoldfinchrobin · 09/01/2025 21:29

Fear of racism doesn't stop the police and other authorities when it comes to anti-terrorism. I just don't think the police prioritise violence against women in general, and the wrong sort of women (poor, powerless, voiceless) in particular. I do wonder how many informants the police have in these communities whom they need to stay in situ for assistance in ongoing investigations, regardless of what they are up to.

wholettheturnipsburn · 09/01/2025 21:31

bradfordisdamned · 09/01/2025 19:07

I am sick and tired of this being downplayed.

No one's downplaying it. We've heard of little else for the last week

Donttellmewhatheknew · 09/01/2025 21:32

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wholettheturnipsburn · 09/01/2025 21:33

Tisthedamnseason · 09/01/2025 19:29

This is a genuine question because I know there could be issues I'm not aware of.

What was wrong with the 7 year enquiry that already happened and the recommendations (not implemented by the Tories) that came from that in 2022? Wouldn't it be better to push for Labour to accept those recommendations ASAP, rather than start another enquiry?

That would make perfect sense. But there would be no political capital out of that

HappyPanda613 · 09/01/2025 21:35

Itsverycold · 09/01/2025 21:29

Some will be, but they won’t be part of a multigenerational conspiracy to do so, and won’t be using their religious or cultural views to say it’s ok to do so.

lots of men commit abhorrent crimes, but this thread is specifically about the cover up of crimes that fall into a specific bracket that hasn’t been fully investigated

I’ve interacted with a fair few people of Pakistani heritage in my time, and the idea that they would ever use culture or religion as an excuse to perform horrific and debased crimes is simply preposterous to me.

They take their religion and sense of community incredibly serious. Some of the things that are being described just don’t fit with anything I know of these people and their values. I just can’t honestly believe it.

Donttellmewhatheknew · 09/01/2025 21:36

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GooseMoose2 · 09/01/2025 21:36

HettysHandbag · 09/01/2025 21:25

Does anyone really believe that the male rioters weren't also sexual abusers? Extremely violent angry men with no emotional control.

The statistics on men who rape and who would be prepared to rape given the right circumstances is what you should be afraid of. What happened in France is what you should be terrified of. No one gives a shit. Not the police, not the media. The fact that these specific cases involve brown men make it useful for a certain sort of person. But they don't give a shit about the women involved.

Please don’t tell me what I ‘should be terrified of’ or ‘afraid of’. As a woman I will make my own mind up 🤣

Yea what happened in France is terrible.

Yes Musk and Robinson use this issue for their own gains and don’t care about the women.

This does not mean we are not allowed to care about young girls being abused !!!!!

All around the world there are many problems for women, this is one of them.

JessiesJ99 · 09/01/2025 21:36

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The OP is asking people to write to their MP's. If you don't agree, then just move along. You seem to want to troll women who have shared experiences of sexual abuse and rape. What are you getting out of this?

GooseMoose2 · 09/01/2025 21:39

HappyPanda613 · 09/01/2025 21:35

I’ve interacted with a fair few people of Pakistani heritage in my time, and the idea that they would ever use culture or religion as an excuse to perform horrific and debased crimes is simply preposterous to me.

They take their religion and sense of community incredibly serious. Some of the things that are being described just don’t fit with anything I know of these people and their values. I just can’t honestly believe it.

And were your interactions with Pakistani men from Mirpur who emigrated to a northern town ?

These are the men we are talking about !

OvaHere · 09/01/2025 21:39

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Do you really think this subject is about winning internet debates?

It's about the 1000s of young girl's lives destroyed by industrial scale rape gangs. People may disagree about the way forward to tackle this but to be clear nobody is 'winning' anything from these appalling events.

Your posts on this thread come across very poorly.

Menopausalsourpuss · 09/01/2025 21:39

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Yes because it hasn't been reported in detail anywhere else which is part of the cover up - hurrah for Elon. I am desperate for bbc to report but they won't. These are court documents which the girls were told they would have to pay thousands to access. You really are a thick idiot.

HettysHandbag · 09/01/2025 21:40

Rape culture is intergenerational and cultural in the rest of the white Christian UK too.

I completely believe that in the cases we are discussing there were groups of men of Asian decent creating pedophile rings.

My point is that we are doing every woman in this country a disservice by letting the fucking police off by saying they "didn't want to look racist". Because PC gorn mad.

Because nothing says woke culture and political correctness like raping poor teenage girls.

No, the needs of men to rape trumped the needs of women to remain unraped.

Worboys drove around raping women for years and women were reporting their assaults. But no one cared. Was it because it would look bad to go after taxi drivers?

Sexual abuse in rings has been happening for generations by priests, celebrities, average joes. No one gives a shit.

Donttellmewhatheknew · 09/01/2025 21:41

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GooseMoose2 · 09/01/2025 21:42

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Not just anecdotes from her own life. Experience which anyone who grew up working class in a northern town know is the truth.

Your attitude is the attitude that enables these men to commit the crimes.

Plenty of people can’t or don’t want to believe what is happening. I thought that we had evolved to believe women and to know that victims are not perfect victims but it seems like we haven’t.

JessiesJ99 · 09/01/2025 21:43

HappyPanda613 · 09/01/2025 21:35

I’ve interacted with a fair few people of Pakistani heritage in my time, and the idea that they would ever use culture or religion as an excuse to perform horrific and debased crimes is simply preposterous to me.

They take their religion and sense of community incredibly serious. Some of the things that are being described just don’t fit with anything I know of these people and their values. I just can’t honestly believe it.

Well clearly the men that were committing these crimes didn't take their religion and sense of community incredibly seriously, did they? Can you not understand that not everyone behaves the same just because they have something in common? Be like me saying all the Catholics I know are lovely, so I can't possibly comprehend that some of them could be pedophiles.

vikingnorthutsiresouthutsire · 09/01/2025 21:44

@Donttellmewhatheknew I am trying to think how much more condescending, dismissive and patronising you could be in the face of women stating their lived experiences, but you seem to have it covered. Disgraceful.

Donttellmewhatheknew · 09/01/2025 21:44

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HettysHandbag · 09/01/2025 21:45

Crowstarlinggoldfinchrobin · 09/01/2025 21:29

Fear of racism doesn't stop the police and other authorities when it comes to anti-terrorism. I just don't think the police prioritise violence against women in general, and the wrong sort of women (poor, powerless, voiceless) in particular. I do wonder how many informants the police have in these communities whom they need to stay in situ for assistance in ongoing investigations, regardless of what they are up to.

It doesn't even stop them from going after young black men on the streets in "random" stop and searches for things like drugs and paraphernalia.

Wonderi · 09/01/2025 21:45

Girls, women and poor people are at the bottom of the pile.

The police have been openly racist and misogynistic for years and so them not wanting to appear ‘racist’ has always been an absolutely pathetic excuse.

We’ve known about grooming gangs for years and yet nothing was done because the working class girls weren’t important.

Look at how many famous groomers or serial killers had complaints against them and none of them were taken seriously.

Many of the victims of these gangs are victims of the men in their own homes, which is why they’re easier to manipulate and coerce into feeling ‘loved’ by these men.

I’m glad that this is being highlighted but there are many grooming gangs out there and I just hope they get the same outrage.

A PP said about the rioters and whether they are groomers/rapists etc and I can tell you for definite that the majority of them that I’ve had the pleasure of dealing with, have been absolutely vile and all have previous convictions/views that are pro rape, abuse and DV.

We absolutely have a problem with these grooming gangs who are not white.
But we also have just as big of a problem with rapists and peadophiles who are white.