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Male staff in nursery’s

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Itsoneofthose · 07/01/2025 21:58

Ok, hear me out.. I know this is controversial but today I was shown around a nursery for the first time. I’m dreading leaving my little one, only because I’ll miss her and worry about her. I don’t think my worry is out of proportion or anything like that though. But today I saw two male nursery nurses. Now, I know there are many men who are great with kids, and not all men are a threat to children (obviously) and women can also potentially pose a threat to children but I just don’t know how I feel about male nursery staff. Hmmm. I know I’ll be shot down in flames for this. Nursery’s are well regulated etc etc. I just can’t help feeling a bit uneasy about the whole thing. Has anyone else experienced these thoughts? AIBU

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AnnaL94 · 08/01/2025 10:29

Bulkypeepants · 08/01/2025 06:54

*nurseries. Educate yourself.

Did posting that make you feel better about yourself?

Cosycoffees · 08/01/2025 10:35

Our nursery have a male nursery worker. He is brilliant. Everybody, adults and kids love him.
I think if you are uncomfortable with it then it would be best to find a different nursery

jannier · 08/01/2025 10:52

Ikeasucks · 08/01/2025 10:02

It’s sex actually, not gender that i worry about. And babies and toddlers in a nursery setting where they get nappies changed and are too young to protect themselves and speak up is a different situation from the others you mentioned

So they can pinch, smack, say nasty things, drag a child, push them etc as long as it's not touching the genitals it's not a risk????

Laserwho · 08/01/2025 10:56

Are we in the dark ages? Get used to it because you won't get to pick your reception teachers etc.

Didimum · 08/01/2025 11:09

It's excellent for children to see men in childcare roles normalised. There was a male staff member at my twins' nursery and he was wonderful.

Bulkypeepants · 08/01/2025 11:19

AnnaL94 · 08/01/2025 10:29

Did posting that make you feel better about yourself?

It's not about making myself feel better, it's about pointing out poor spelling and grammar by presumably an adult.

MissBrightFire · 08/01/2025 11:20

If men are so safe and marvelous and fun and we don't need to worry about our small children being near them at nursery then there's no need to warn our daughters about anything is there? Don't warn them about men when they start school, or reach puberty, or when they're 17 and out at night with their friends after dark and getting into taxis alone. Don't tell them not to walk home at night alone, for the rest of their lives. Men are fun!
It's your job as a mother to protect your child until they can look after themselves, and if they're too young to speak up or understand you need to take responsibility for them.

And anyone saying, "its ok, the nappy changing stations are in full view of everyone and mobile phones are left at the door and two adults take every child to the toilet" needs to ask themselves why this policy was introduced. We all know damn well there's a problem and it's not from the statistically tiny risk of sexual assault from women.

No male carers for children.

MyLoftySwan · 08/01/2025 11:22

You do know women can also abuse children too right?

MartinCrieffsLemon · 08/01/2025 11:23

MyLoftySwan · 08/01/2025 11:22

You do know women can also abuse children too right?

Edited

No, no

The physical, mental (and indeed sometimes sexual) abuse from women doesn't count.

It's only the evil mens whose abuse matters

Ikeasucks · 08/01/2025 11:23

jannier · 08/01/2025 10:52

So they can pinch, smack, say nasty things, drag a child, push them etc as long as it's not touching the genitals it's not a risk????

Look - you feel free to ask for the amazing far superior male workers to change you baby girl’s nappy and I’ll prefer to specify female workers for intimate care - or actually I didn’t as my kids didn’t go to nursery when little/babies as i was lucky to not go back to work and didn’t particularly trust/like the set up anyway

MissBrightFire · 08/01/2025 11:29

MyLoftySwan · 08/01/2025 11:22

You do know women can also abuse children too right?

Edited

Yes! They're walking the streets at night looking for lone women to assault. They're choosing careers so they can have access to vulnerable people. They're rating local prostitutes online. Honestly, the naivety is off the scale. Have you ever read a newspaper or been online?

Penguinmouse · 08/01/2025 11:29

mindutopia · 08/01/2025 09:40

There was a male nursery worker in dd’s nursery when she started (many, many years ago). He was absolutely incredible. Probably one of the best staff there. I will admit, I had a similar gut reaction at first.

But like others said, sexual abuse of a child is much more likely to be perpetrated by someone you already know who is close to your children. You almost certainly have someone close to them already who is abusive, statistically speaking. In the years after this, I had not one, but TWO close family members, who both had unfettered access to my dc, who were revealed as committing child sex offences (both convicted, one went to prison, one into a community rehabilitation programme for sexual offenders).

Absolutely do stay vigilant, but the most dangerous person is probably not a highly supervised DBS checked childcare worker. It’s going to be someone you would absolutely never suspect.

Edited

Think this is the most reasonable response on this thread. Let’s not bury our heads in the sand and pretend men don’t commit these crimes, because they overwhelmingly do, but a highly supervised male nursery worked in a regulated environment is not where the majority of the risk lies. You can ask the nursery about their processes though and a good provider will be able to demonstrate how children are kept safe.

Ikeasucks · 08/01/2025 11:29

MartinCrieffsLemon · 08/01/2025 11:23

No, no

The physical, mental (and indeed sometimes sexual) abuse from women doesn't count.

It's only the evil mens whose abuse matters

It’s weird the lengths some women will go to pretend that men are not the sex committing the majority of abuse/watching child porn/abuse etc. Do you also tell your young children to equally approach a man or a woman for help if they get lost - though i imagine you would say man as it seems they are way more amazing and superior in looking after young children

MartinCrieffsLemon · 08/01/2025 11:35

MissBrightFire · 08/01/2025 11:29

Yes! They're walking the streets at night looking for lone women to assault. They're choosing careers so they can have access to vulnerable people. They're rating local prostitutes online. Honestly, the naivety is off the scale. Have you ever read a newspaper or been online?

points to all the newspaper articles linked about FEMALE abuse

Women aren't sweet and innocent and never hurt anyone either

MartinCrieffsLemon · 08/01/2025 11:37

Ikeasucks · 08/01/2025 11:29

It’s weird the lengths some women will go to pretend that men are not the sex committing the majority of abuse/watching child porn/abuse etc. Do you also tell your young children to equally approach a man or a woman for help if they get lost - though i imagine you would say man as it seems they are way more amazing and superior in looking after young children

I've literally linked an article saying the majority of abuse (not all abuse is sexual) in nurseries is committed by women

SleepingStandingUp · 08/01/2025 11:40

MissBrightFire · 08/01/2025 11:20

If men are so safe and marvelous and fun and we don't need to worry about our small children being near them at nursery then there's no need to warn our daughters about anything is there? Don't warn them about men when they start school, or reach puberty, or when they're 17 and out at night with their friends after dark and getting into taxis alone. Don't tell them not to walk home at night alone, for the rest of their lives. Men are fun!
It's your job as a mother to protect your child until they can look after themselves, and if they're too young to speak up or understand you need to take responsibility for them.

And anyone saying, "its ok, the nappy changing stations are in full view of everyone and mobile phones are left at the door and two adults take every child to the toilet" needs to ask themselves why this policy was introduced. We all know damn well there's a problem and it's not from the statistically tiny risk of sexual assault from women.

No male carers for children.

So where's the line? Nurses? Doctors? Teachers? Youth workers? Cubs / Beaver / Squirrel leaders?

Ikeasucks · 08/01/2025 11:41

MartinCrieffsLemon · 08/01/2025 11:37

I've literally linked an article saying the majority of abuse (not all abuse is sexual) in nurseries is committed by women

have you googled male workers who sexually abuse too? I never sent my babies /toddlers to nursery as I didn’t like/trust the set up but if i have a choice i’d rather a female changes my baby girl’s
nappy than an unconnected male

Male staff in nursery’s
jannier · 08/01/2025 11:42

Ikeasucks · 08/01/2025 11:23

Look - you feel free to ask for the amazing far superior male workers to change you baby girl’s nappy and I’ll prefer to specify female workers for intimate care - or actually I didn’t as my kids didn’t go to nursery when little/babies as i was lucky to not go back to work and didn’t particularly trust/like the set up anyway

I've never said males are superior please quote the post where I said that. But your ignoring the fact statistically other abuse is much more likely and just as damaging in different ways so should be of equal concern but many women choose to ignore it latching onto my child is safe without men....presumably at puberty any boys will be isolated from females for eternity as male genes are not to be trusted.

Ikeasucks · 08/01/2025 11:45

SleepingStandingUp · 08/01/2025 11:40

So where's the line? Nurses? Doctors? Teachers? Youth workers? Cubs / Beaver / Squirrel leaders?

do you prefer a female or male doing your smear or mammogram - what about bra fitting

MartinCrieffsLemon · 08/01/2025 11:50

Ikeasucks · 08/01/2025 11:41

have you googled male workers who sexually abuse too? I never sent my babies /toddlers to nursery as I didn’t like/trust the set up but if i have a choice i’d rather a female changes my baby girl’s
nappy than an unconnected male

NOT ALL ABUSE IS SEXUAL

MartinCrieffsLemon · 08/01/2025 11:52

jannier · 08/01/2025 11:42

I've never said males are superior please quote the post where I said that. But your ignoring the fact statistically other abuse is much more likely and just as damaging in different ways so should be of equal concern but many women choose to ignore it latching onto my child is safe without men....presumably at puberty any boys will be isolated from females for eternity as male genes are not to be trusted.

There's a worrying amount of women on here who would indeed lock all men up the moment they showed signs of puberty - or at least would put them on curfew and never allow them anywhere alone

Rubydoobydoobydoo · 08/01/2025 11:52

Dotjones · Today 10:10

You are right to feel uncomfortable even though it's sexist and outrageous to feel the way you do.

It's not sexist and outrageous to acknowledge that there are huge differences between the sexes in some things — and sexual offending and paedophilia are just two of them. It's not outrageous or sexist to make a safeguarding decision based on clear, consistent evidence that the vast majority of sexual assaults are carried out by men. And because paedophiles and sexual predators are so good at covering their backs, and because the likelihood of men getting caught seems quite low (Jimmy Saville got away with it in public for years, despite loads of middle-aged women reporting concerns) it's not sexist or outrageous to come to the rational conclusion that statistically your child is less likely to suffer sexual assault at the hands of female workers.

That's hard on nice men who want to work with children, but they shouldn't blame women for making that decision. They need to turn a critical eye on their fellow men and see what they can do to challenge male behaviour. Don't blame women for the things men do.

Ikeasucks · 08/01/2025 11:52

MartinCrieffsLemon · 08/01/2025 10:16

So it's fine for children to be beaten and physically abused to DEATH?

Because that's what we are talking about with women. Physical abuse which can lead to a child DYING

you are beyond ridiculous - are you saying women commit the majority of abuse/violence in the world

Bushmillsbabe · 08/01/2025 11:53

Katemax82 · 07/01/2025 22:25

Personally apart from the fact my daughter has male teachers i don't leave her with any man except her dad

Not even her uncles or grandads?
How about if she went for a playdate and that child's Dad or older brother was home? Would your child have to leave?

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