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Male staff in nursery’s

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Itsoneofthose · 07/01/2025 21:58

Ok, hear me out.. I know this is controversial but today I was shown around a nursery for the first time. I’m dreading leaving my little one, only because I’ll miss her and worry about her. I don’t think my worry is out of proportion or anything like that though. But today I saw two male nursery nurses. Now, I know there are many men who are great with kids, and not all men are a threat to children (obviously) and women can also potentially pose a threat to children but I just don’t know how I feel about male nursery staff. Hmmm. I know I’ll be shot down in flames for this. Nursery’s are well regulated etc etc. I just can’t help feeling a bit uneasy about the whole thing. Has anyone else experienced these thoughts? AIBU

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Sushu · 07/01/2025 23:17

starsinthedarksky · 07/01/2025 22:48

If a parent at my nursery said they didn’t want a male staff member changing nappies or help with going to the toilet they’d be told that all staff do everything to keep it fair and that if they didn’t agree they’d be more than welcome to remove their child.

The role is altered for males.

I hope your setting would not say “remove your child” if a family was asking for religious or cultural reasons. The law is clear that requesting a same sex carer is not discriminatory.

fiftiesmum · 07/01/2025 23:17

Chonk · 07/01/2025 23:11

I understand that, but if that PP has no intention of making a false allegation, why does she feel the male GP needs one when caring for her?

Because the hcp should be mindful of the potential for an allegation and an occasional reminder wouldn't go amiss

Itsoneofthose · 07/01/2025 23:17

VictoriaMum323 · 07/01/2025 22:23

@Itsoneofthose I am completely with you on this. However people get very riled up about it. I still don’t understand how it’s ok for a grown woman to ask for a female nurse but I can’t ask for a female carer to wipe my daughter. It’s beyond me but like I say people get really riled up about this topic. I suggest that you find another nursery and ask them to let you know if and when they hire men. Best of luck! I know I will get flamed but prefer to give my view on this
topic.

Thank you. I feel like they get riled up for the sake of it without even stopping to think about what it is that’s being asked.

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whydoihavetowork · 07/01/2025 23:19

VictoriaMum323 · 07/01/2025 22:23

@Itsoneofthose I am completely with you on this. However people get very riled up about it. I still don’t understand how it’s ok for a grown woman to ask for a female nurse but I can’t ask for a female carer to wipe my daughter. It’s beyond me but like I say people get really riled up about this topic. I suggest that you find another nursery and ask them to let you know if and when they hire men. Best of luck! I know I will get flamed but prefer to give my view on this
topic.

100% this

Smellskindafunky · 07/01/2025 23:19

MartinCrieffsLemon · 07/01/2025 23:14

Because of disgusting bigotry like this thread shows?

And the stereotype that "women ate natural carers"

But they are. Cant change genetics.

MMXXV · 07/01/2025 23:19

BobbyBiscuits · 07/01/2025 23:14

@MMXXV she's saying the ones that are working in the nursery are. With no evidence or reason to believe they would be. So therefore that must mean every man is equally likely.

No she isn’t. Try reading again.

Freshflower · 07/01/2025 23:19

I get the worry , you do hear of lots of nasty stories and naturally you want your daughter to be safe. I think wherever you go there will always be male staff, nurseries, schools etc. I'm sure your child will be ok

Candy24 · 07/01/2025 23:19

I was honestly horrified when I was presented to a male midwife. I was like OMG I can't do that. He was the nicest most caring human and honestly I would request him again. I think it is wrong to judge on a gender in roles these days. Back in my dads day yeah it was different. I think for our kids they can trust both sexes a lot more.

orangewasp · 07/01/2025 23:19

BiblicalArk · 07/01/2025 23:11

Nursery's just like schools need a gender balance .

Agree. Boys often grow up without male role models in caring roles. Normalising this is better for them and in turn will be better for girls.

BiggerBoat1 · 07/01/2025 23:20

The OP clearly isn’t interested in hearing about the safeguarding measures in childcare settings or about the many examples of wonderful male nursery staff. What a shame. Still at least she’s learned that the plural of nursery is nurseries.

starsinthedarksky · 07/01/2025 23:21

Sushu · 07/01/2025 23:17

I hope your setting would not say “remove your child” if a family was asking for religious or cultural reasons. The law is clear that requesting a same sex carer is not discriminatory.

Obviously if there was a religious or cultural reason that would be different…

Tubs11 · 07/01/2025 23:21

Sporklifer · 07/01/2025 23:14

Not sure how people are drawing a connection between a nursery nurse doing intimate personal care and a doctor / teacher
it’s very different
OP ignore the right on brigade, you know deep down they feel the same but are too afraid to say it

Larry Nassar was a doctor....

SouthLondonMum22 · 07/01/2025 23:21

Smellskindafunky · 07/01/2025 23:19

But they are. Cant change genetics.

Women are socialised to be carers from birth. They are given baby dolls and play kitchens and nurse costumes. Of course women are going to usually be more caring, they are raised to be.

JesusBlessYou · 07/01/2025 23:21

Pleasesendhelp8 · 07/01/2025 23:09

This! I can’t believe some of the comments on here. I wouldn’t want to take any risks with my dc as unfortunately some of us know what the real world is like. Would rather be safe than sorry! Especially at such a young age when they are not quite talking yet.

Presumably you'll never leave your DC with anyone else ever then?

My experience of "the real world" was being sexually abused and raped by my brother. As I'm getting older I'm realising, and coming to terms with, the fact that my Dad touched me inappropriately too. My mum denied any of this happened.

The male teachers I had, male Dr's I've seen, and male care workers I've worked with, have all been lovely, respectful and trustworthy.

HereForTheAnimals · 07/01/2025 23:21

MMXXV · 07/01/2025 23:16

Children attend nursery without their parents. Parents tend to be around when their kids are in hospital.

So you are saying that it is ok as long as there are a number of people in the room, so if a child in nursery was attended by a male nursery nurse and a female nursery nurse, then it would be ok? Yes, I agree with that.

Jiminyilgrillo · 07/01/2025 23:22

Something else I've just realised- how come mumsnet is up in arms about men in women's changing rooms or transwomen nurses (who would be db's checked) performing intimate care on adult females, but it's alright for men to change nappies and carry out intimate care on young children? If we should be able to request that we are only examined by female-bodied doctors and nurses, then surely we should be able to request the same of nursery workers caring for our children?

Smellskindafunky · 07/01/2025 23:22

SouthLondonMum22 · 07/01/2025 23:21

Women are socialised to be carers from birth. They are given baby dolls and play kitchens and nurse costumes. Of course women are going to usually be more caring, they are raised to be.

They carry a child and give it life. Men can never know what that feels like. It's innate.

ByQuaintAzureWasp · 07/01/2025 23:22

Maybe children shouldn't have fathers then? Utter madness.

Thoughtsonallsorts · 07/01/2025 23:23

There is a lovely male nursery practitioner in our local nursery. I must admit when I first collected my Grandchild I was surprised to see him there but not because I didn't trust him. It was more to do with not being used to this. Once I realised it was quite common nowadays I actually felt reassured there was a man in attendance.

TheMixedGirl · 07/01/2025 23:23

What will ypu do when there are male teachers. What age is your child? Are they in nappies?

SouthLondonMum22 · 07/01/2025 23:23

Smellskindafunky · 07/01/2025 23:22

They carry a child and give it life. Men can never know what that feels like. It's innate.

Not every woman does.

Smellskindafunky · 07/01/2025 23:23

Jiminyilgrillo · 07/01/2025 23:22

Something else I've just realised- how come mumsnet is up in arms about men in women's changing rooms or transwomen nurses (who would be db's checked) performing intimate care on adult females, but it's alright for men to change nappies and carry out intimate care on young children? If we should be able to request that we are only examined by female-bodied doctors and nurses, then surely we should be able to request the same of nursery workers caring for our children?

Agree. The reason is because in this case they want men to do these lesser paid jobs and to hell with the consequences. Classic MN double standards.

MMXXV · 07/01/2025 23:23

HereForTheAnimals · 07/01/2025 23:21

So you are saying that it is ok as long as there are a number of people in the room, so if a child in nursery was attended by a male nursery nurse and a female nursery nurse, then it would be ok? Yes, I agree with that.

No, I’m saying that OP is within her right to feel uneasy about male nursery workers rather than worrying more about upsetting men. I was just replying to that particular post as it wasn’t comparable to a nursery setting at all.

BornSandyDevotional · 07/01/2025 23:25

SouthLondonMum22 · 07/01/2025 23:21

Women are socialised to be carers from birth. They are given baby dolls and play kitchens and nurse costumes. Of course women are going to usually be more caring, they are raised to be.

Girls manifest pink play kitchens and baby dolls? Boys are born blue and need trains, cars, suits, ties and share-holdings? Wow. This has taken a dark turn!

zeibesaffron · 07/01/2025 23:25

I have said on here before that my son has worked in a nursery (he doesn’t now) he loved it and the kids loved him - he was happy to do hours of outdoor play and kick the football around with the pre school children. His nursery was split into 3 rooms and he was in pre school!

He didn’t have any issues with the parents and he got lots of little gifts from the families when he left. Most abuse that happens is from within the family - and one of the last abuse scandals in a nursery was a woman! Abuse can happen at school, clubs or anywhere nothing is risk free. I am saddened by your thinking and think its grossly unfair to the lads that love working with children within that setting.

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