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Rachel from accounts has crashed the economy

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Almn0etd · 07/01/2025 21:01

So borrowing costs are now even higher than when Liz Truss was around.

The economy is well and truly cooked and in a far worse shape now that Rachel accounts is in charge.

Why isn’t this dominating the news cycle? Because it’s Labour.

The Tories were atrocious. Labour are an indescribable disaster for this country, surpassing the lowest of the low bars. Cue Labour apologists who don’t mind being made poorer and having the country destroyed, as long it’s Labour doing it to them.

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veggie50 · 07/01/2025 22:39

Reeves assumed she can get £2.7 billions tax money out of the non dom residents in the UK without once stopping to think why they are here in the first place (probably not for the weather, tax saving perhaps?) Now that possibility of these people leaving has finally dawn on her, she is scrambling to fill that big black hole in her budget so everything is now fair game. Confidence is crumbling...
BTW, global bond yields has more to do with inflation and therefore high interest rate, UK's problem now is more than that.

Walkden · 07/01/2025 22:40

"The economy is well and truly cooked"

Well this is largely because the UK voted for Brexit which costs billions, and has massively reduced economic growth and investment, leaving massive tax shortfalls precisely as the 14 years of Tory austerity ( sorry "efficiencies" have wrecked public services.)

You see it everywhere, NHS, dentists, courts, probation service, police, social services, education, councils, regulators of any kind

But sure blame "Rachel from accounts" whose budget was a few months ago....

BIossomtoes · 07/01/2025 22:40

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 07/01/2025 21:50

What’s even worse is the terrible relationship we are brewing with Trump into the bargain. Labour ministers historically taking the piss out of Trump on Twitter and now he’s about to take power he is hinting that he will impact the UK’s trading ability with the US. It really is a fucking disaster.

Shame we left the EU, isn’t it? Then it wouldn’t be nearly such a fucking disaster.

MakeYourOwnMusicStartYourOwnDance · 07/01/2025 22:41

Sugarnspicenallthingsnaice · 07/01/2025 22:39

Anytime I see any post on social media using stupid nicknames for politicians I immediately discount the person posting them as being unable to think deeply or for themselves, and ignore whatever they have to say.

(See also: 'wake up people' and any mention of sheep or snowflakes.)

Edited

Same
Two Tier Kier
Starmer Harmer
Free Gear Kier
Just makes people look stupid and like they're just parroting a script.

StarDolphins · 07/01/2025 22:45

HamAndMustardSandwich · 07/01/2025 21:52

I loathe that Rachel Reeves with her smug face. The Labour Party are truly fucking it up this time and I hope they don’t get in again at the next GE they will All these fools who thought that things would be better were/are completely deluded.

Full disclosure, I voted Tory for 20 ish years but voted Lib Dem for the first time last year. You couldn’t pay me to vote for Labour, they just lie, cheat and talk bullshit (like most politicians tbh) 🤷‍♀️

I really don’t think they’ll get in after this term. Most people I speak to regret voting Labour bar the odd one.

Undrugged · 07/01/2025 22:48

MakeYourOwnMusicStartYourOwnDance · 07/01/2025 22:41

Same
Two Tier Kier
Starmer Harmer
Free Gear Kier
Just makes people look stupid and like they're just parroting a script.

Totally agree.

There is some really basic, unsophisticated, baiting and manipulation of people going on here. I don’t know whether it’s Reform, very left wing Keir haters, or what, but it’s definitely not natural language messaging.

I use natural language parsing for my work and these sorts of posts are very obviously contrived.

StarDolphins · 07/01/2025 22:49

TikehauLilly · 07/01/2025 21:54

I wasn't going to mention the B word... but we did that to ourselves.. don't think Reeves was at the helm cheering us to leave. Self harm. That did not help after the crash, austerity, then B then covid...

Also a famous academic paper supporting austerity and quoted by policy makers... turned out to have spreadsheet errors... and results and data then didn't support it... Oops... not Reeves again...

I can't belive Op and others really belive 6 months and labour should have miraculously sorted it all. Ffs.

And no I'm not suggesting I know the answers just have realistic expectations

No one expects them to have miraculously ‘sorted it all’ & nobody has said anything of the sort. But to be making things worse? With no actual proper plan? After 6 months? Yes, it’s a worry.

BeretInParis · 07/01/2025 22:49

Brexit had a part to pay but covid and the Ukrainian war are huge contributors to the issues we're facing (huge debt and inflation). If it was just brexit then other western economies would be fine - but they're not.

We needed a budget to stimulate growth. Increasing taxes on business leading to stalled pay rises and recruitment was deeply unhelpful. Throwing money at poorly administered public services is just throwing good money after bad (to a point).

We need change and very few of our politicians (no matter the political party) are fit for purpose. Let's not be polarised and partisan about this. They have no idea how to boost growth.

MakeYourOwnMusicStartYourOwnDance · 07/01/2025 22:50

StarDolphins · 07/01/2025 22:45

I really don’t think they’ll get in after this term. Most people I speak to regret voting Labour bar the odd one.

Lol, keep dreaming.
There's still plenty of us who don't regret voting Labour and are glad they got in.

Mirabai · 07/01/2025 22:50

BotDranning · 07/01/2025 22:39

Please can someone e plain to me why Rachel from Accounts is misogyny?

Genuine question. I'm interested.

Because posters don’t like the implication that she’s crap.

No-one seemed to mind Trussonomics,

(It’s weird because I’ve always found MN to be right wing).

Mirabai · 07/01/2025 22:52

Walkden · 07/01/2025 22:40

"The economy is well and truly cooked"

Well this is largely because the UK voted for Brexit which costs billions, and has massively reduced economic growth and investment, leaving massive tax shortfalls precisely as the 14 years of Tory austerity ( sorry "efficiencies" have wrecked public services.)

You see it everywhere, NHS, dentists, courts, probation service, police, social services, education, councils, regulators of any kind

But sure blame "Rachel from accounts" whose budget was a few months ago....

Well yeah because she’s made things worse.

JHound · 07/01/2025 22:52

6 months.

As if they have “crashed the country” in 6 months.

The amount of hysteria surrounding Labour is laughable.

StarDolphins · 07/01/2025 22:53

00psInamechangedagain · 07/01/2025 22:01

@HellsBalls

How do you think the government can improve the quality of roads without spending money?

Governments aren't like households, they don't need to cut back in January after spending too much in December, as tempting as it is to try and think of it like that. Thrift doesn't solve problems, as Austerity showed.

Well then they need to stop wasting money then they can put a bit aside to sort the roads. That’s how my budgeting works, simple but effective. Instead, they’re flapping & chucking money.

LostittoBostik · 07/01/2025 22:53

I'M SO FUCKING SICK OF TORY AND FARAGE GIMPS AND BOTS ON THIS SITE.

First the fiction about 23 abayas in a DD's wardrobe and now this.

"Rachel from accounts" is such a stupid insult too. Half the people on this site ARE the sort of person it's supposed to be insulting, spending their days in provincial credit control jobs.

LostittoBostik · 07/01/2025 22:55

@Mirabai MN was right wing when the country was right wing. Then it shifted and voted differently. What you're going to see here is an expression of the majority view - and how it changes.

LostittoBostik · 07/01/2025 22:56

@MakeYourOwnMusicStartYourOwnDance

They are parroting a script.

These are all placed posts.

Tryingtokeepgoing · 07/01/2025 22:57

00psInamechangedagain · 07/01/2025 22:38

@Tryingtokeepgoing we don't know what doing nothing would have done, but growth wasn't spectacular under the previous government, so it's improbable that keeping all the same policies would have magically had a different impact under labour. In fact, most of what you've suggested has also been tried and found to not be very effective.

By changes in working practices presumably mean making people work harder for the same money? Given the burden of long term sickness on the economy, it seems unlikely intensifying work in this way would do anything other than drive more people off sick.

Public investment doesn't crowd out private investment unless you're writing a GCSE economics essay. The sort of long term patient capital that governments provide is actually far more conducive to spurring genuine innovation than fickle private capital is.

IHT is actually one of the taxes which has the smallest impact on incentives to grow a business, because the person founding and growing the business doesn't pay it, their offspring do.

Saving more reduces consumption, so encouraging people to do so would be unlikely to increase economic growth.

Oh I agree, growth wasn’t spectacular. But it was also more than zero.

Changes in working practices doesn’t necessarily mean working harder, since it can also mean working in a more efficient way, for example by using new technology. An example would be train drivers refusing to use iPads unless they’re paid more. On what planet does that make sense?

On GCSE economics, I’m too old to have done GCSEs. But thanks for making my point, while completely misunderstanding it! Government money is not required to spur innovation in renewables, as it’s already a pretty mature technology. There’s plenty of private capital already funding these projects, and they are, on the whole, being sold to long term investors like pension funds for whom the regular income stream is desirable. No fickleness involved. So, as I said, the money should be used to fund genuine innovation, to drive growth, employment and GDP/tax revenues, perhaps in tech / biotech

My experience of the impact of IHT and CGT (which I note you ignored) on SMEs is very different to yours, but what I see is a scaling back of investment / employment across multiple sectors as the risk / rewarded balance shifts. Happy to be proved wrong, but the indicators are not good.

I am sure that GCSE economics does say that savings reduce consumption. But increased savings via equity and bonds also drives liquidity in markets, which makes the UK an attractive place to raise capital, invest and start businesses, all of which ultimately drive GDP, while creating the opportunity for tax revenues from employment, corporation tax, capital gains tax and so on.

Mirabai · 07/01/2025 22:57

LostittoBostik · 07/01/2025 22:53

I'M SO FUCKING SICK OF TORY AND FARAGE GIMPS AND BOTS ON THIS SITE.

First the fiction about 23 abayas in a DD's wardrobe and now this.

"Rachel from accounts" is such a stupid insult too. Half the people on this site ARE the sort of person it's supposed to be insulting, spending their days in provincial credit control jobs.

There’s nothing wrong with being Rachel or Colin from Accounts if you are - abs you’re not purporting be the Chancellor.

Not a bot I am a pissed off erstwhile Labour voter.

Yalta · 07/01/2025 22:58

ghostyslovesheets · 07/01/2025 21:20

‘Rachel from accounts’ do you mean the woman with PPE from Oxford and a masters from LSE?

they have not been in power for a year and someone has to address the nosediving economy left by 14 years of safe Tory economics - and Brexit

it was never going to be a happy first few years - I’d rather give them time to fix it than panicking

The economy after 14 years of Tory economics might have been nose diving but her budget sent everything into a tailspin.

It was like a kamikaze pilot determined to crash into the target

Studying Maths and economics is great on paper

Raise taxes = more money

What is lacking is the common sense to know that if you tax people/companies more they are going to find a way to reduce their bill

Either by reducing employee numbers (Gig economy work my employment has declined from 16-24 days per month to this months 4 days) So people have to turn to UC

Raise taxes on private school fees. Not just those that can’t afford the fees will end up leaving and costing the government
Some private schools are already on a knife edge and it only takes a handful of pupils to leave to drive the school into administration

So whilst Labour think that only 5% of pupils will leave their private school. Because of financing issues 100% of pupils from a closed down school could end up needing state education and they need school places in specific areas (no good saying there are places in schools in Devon if you live in Derbyshire

And for some women the reason for them working might solely be on them paying for private schools fees

So without them working there will be no income tax or NI paid
Company might not replace them because it saves on their NI bill

Mirabai · 07/01/2025 22:59

LostittoBostik · 07/01/2025 22:55

@Mirabai MN was right wing when the country was right wing. Then it shifted and voted differently. What you're going to see here is an expression of the majority view - and how it changes.

That is a fundamental misunderstanding of the politics of this country.

LottieMary · 07/01/2025 22:59

I think Rachel from Accounts is a reference to her inflated CV. She's not an economist.

She's worked for the Bank of England and been involved in business committees, shadow treasury minister, work and pensions. She studied PPE at Oxford then an MSc in Economics from LSE

Hunt has an MA in PPE from Oxford and taught English in Japan

Kwarteng has a BA in classics and history from Cambridge. His Phd might be on economic history but his thesis is based on 1695 so not sure how helpful that is

Zahawi has a degree in chemical engineering. He did found Yougov so can run a business

Sunak- ppe at Oxford. Business administration mba at Stanford and worked for a hedge fund

Philip Hammond, PPE again then director of a healthcare company

George Osborne BA in Modern History then journalism until becoming an MP

To suggest Reeves is less qualified as chancellor than the six men that came before her is misogynistic.

FerretChops · 07/01/2025 22:59

Like I always say, the country needs a Labour government to remind them as to why a labour government is a truly bad thing for the country

And I'm no Tory.

Tryingtokeepgoing · 07/01/2025 23:00

Sugarnspicenallthingsnaice · 07/01/2025 22:39

Anytime I see any post on social media using stupid nicknames for politicians I immediately discount the person posting them as being unable to think deeply or for themselves, and ignore whatever they have to say.

(See also: 'wake up people' and any mention of sheep or snowflakes.)

Edited

A particular favourite of mine is “the grown ups are back in charge”. Though, funnily enough, I haven’t seen this for a while…

knitnerd90 · 07/01/2025 23:02

So -- funding to local authorities dropped by half under the Tories. The NHS and schools underwent a massive squeeze and buildings are literally falling down; the bill for that is going to come due.

Britons have seen no wage growth in real terms since 2008. If you're public sector you make less now than you did then.

How do you fix it? Don't give me vagaries about "growing the economy." You realise that the USA is seeing wage and economic growth because Biden increased economic investment? The US economy grew by 2.8% in 2024. In the UK it was under 1%.

Someone has to pay the bill to shore up public services before they collapse completely. If Labour put up income or corporation tax, people will scream. If they borrow to cover the gap, the markets will scream and they will be called irresponsible.

Reversing Brexit may not even be possible even though at least some agreement with the EU is necessary to grow the economy. (And it will be on much less favourable terms than pre-2016, whatever it is.) Digging Britain out of this hole is going to take a lot more than "business friendly policies",which of course is what the Tories were claiming to do all this time.

Olderkids · 07/01/2025 23:03

FloralGums · 07/01/2025 21:34

The Tories left the economy in a disastrous state. Labour are trying to fix years and years of Tory financial problems.
They also have to fix our public services which were decimated by the years Conservative rule.

Which they inherited after years of Labour mismanagement- remember Gordon Brown’s note?
None of the current cabinet are fit to govern, they are just self-serving liars who will drag us down further than we thought it possible to go.

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