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Please help me to sit on my hands and not write this message.

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FlamingGalar · 07/01/2025 13:30

My eldest DD split up with her boyfriend of five years in the summer. She had introduced him to her friendship group from school and he and his friends became part of this group and they all hung out together, went to parties etc.

The last year of the relationship was pretty awful for my DD. Her boyfriend would drink too much and become verbally abusive towards both her and other friends in the group. He would push her around and although he didn’t actually hit her, she became pretty scared of his unpredictability when he was drunk. She didn’t talk to us about this until they had split up. We saw a placid and sweet, if a little sad at times, guy that we had grown to love and care about as a family.

His mental health took a decline in the last two years they were together and we helped him to find a counsellor and gave him as much support as we could at this time. He was reluctant to talk to his parents and we did what we could to help while maintaining an appropriate amount of distance. We also encouraged him to talk to his parents which he ultimately did in the end, and they were very supportive and helpful when he opened up to them.

DDs female friends would tell her she needed to split up with him constantly toward the end. They saw this destructive behaviour from him and were at the receiving end of it many times. They were concerned for DD and the effect it was having on her. So in the summer DD had got to breaking point and broke the relationship off.

Since then DDs friendship group from school has completely ostracised her. Her closest friend dating back to primary school (and the most vocal about the relationships toxicity) has stopped messaging her and coming round. We were very close to her as a family and supported her through the toughest of times. I have taken her to hospital appointments and out for lunch afterwards for example. She’s been to family celebrations throughout the years and has basically been a part of our family since my DD became friends with her at the age of five.

My DD is devastated that her closest friend has sided with her ex, knowing all the details about how he was towards her during their relationship. There are constant posts of the friend and ex out together on social media. Just those two and as part of the wider friendship group. There was radio silence from her at Christmas and new year. There is no romantic involvement or interest from either side, I know that 100% so it’s utterly baffling. My DD has no friends to celebrate her upcoming 21st with and is understandably confused and very upset. I can’t help but feel really disappointed with this girl we have known and been close to as a whole family for so long, but I know I need to maintain a healthy distance from this situation.

I so desperately want to message her and tell her hurtful her behaviour has been towards my daughter and supposed best friend, but I know this is being far too involved in my daughters business. But it’s no exaggeration to say that my DD is devastated by this sudden withdrawal of friendship and she’s so so lonely right now. I’ve advised her to unfollow all of them on social media so she can’t see their posts, but she’s yet to do this. I won’t write this message to her but I really really want to!!

I guess what I’m asking for is some reinforcement from the wise mumsnetters to remind me of why this would be a bad idea, because my fingers are hovering over the keys right now.

Thank you for reading to the end of a ridiculously long post. As I write this I realise how overly invested I seem. I’m just so sad for my DD and disappointed in her friend’s choices.

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Matilda761 · 07/01/2025 14:00

This all sounds very upsetting for your DD (and you, too), but a couple of things struck me:

  1. I mean this in a kind way, but everyone sounds ridiculously overly ‘involved’ in one another’s lives. I see why you and your daughter would have this kind of relationship, and her and her now ex. But the relationships she has with her friends seem very over invested and still in the ‘teenager’ stage if that makes sense? At this age, it is normal for some school friendships to change and dissipate and a great new chapter of adult friendships appear with work, travelling etc etc. And tbh I don’t understand why her mum is so involved with her friendships either? I’m mid 30s but this certainly wasn’t common when I was 21. Doesn’t it just add on layers of complication?
  2. she’s well off out of that relationship. Celebrate her new beginnings and opportunity to move forward to better things
DuckbilledSplatterPuff · 07/01/2025 14:00

The hardest thing for your DD has probably also been Christmas, NY and now her 21st coming up.
Its particularly hard when its a painful break up like this one.
Can you plan something fab for her to do for her 21st that doesn't revolve around the traditional party with peers? as this may not happen and will leave her even more depressed.
Something like maybe a day or weekend trip to Paris... or a night out with a big show and posh restaurant? You know best what she would like. Its hard when they have been feeling sad and lonely and difficult to make conversations when they do meet up with people. And at least this will give her a chance to say when asked "Oh I did this for my 21st instead.."

Was also thinking is there anyone else in the group she is still in contact with? that she could just catch up with and ask what's going on. Or it might be better to just leave it and you don't want to feed the beast. You and DD will know which is the best approach here.
In the meantime, I'd encourage your DD to be as busy as possible. Try new things where she can meet new people. Any local clubs or hobbies... and plan a bit of travel later on in the year. So that she has lots of things to focus on and talk about.

The BF's unpleasant habits will soon start showing themselves and people will wise up. It sounds as if she is well shot of the pair of them.

FlamingGalar · 07/01/2025 14:03

Hedgerow2 · 07/01/2025 13:55

You absolutely won't know everything so best to keep out.

Writing might make you feel better temporarily but it won't achieve anything. Even if the friend was contrite (unlikely) and wanted to make amends, your dd doesn't need friends like that.

She may not have any close friends at the moment but she does have a new boyfriend she can celebrate her 21st with. If they don't have much money maybe you could treat them to a meal out/night in a nice hotel/theatre tickets on her actual birthday.

Absolutely true on all counts. I’m sure there are elements to this that I have no idea about, that could explain this behaviour. And thank goodness for the new boyfriend. He’s absolutely lovely and has made plans for them to celebrate together. We have a big family so we have a fun celebration planned together too. Just need to get her over this difficult first bit.

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DodoTired · 07/01/2025 14:04

Do.not.send.anything

also how can you be sure there is nothing between ex and friend? It 100% looks like they are hooking up. It would actually be better for your daughter as it would explain her friend’s behaviour and give her closure to move on from these assholes

Theextraordinaryisintheordinary · 07/01/2025 14:06

Sounds so awful and you feel you want to defend your daughter. I’d remind her she will make new friends. When people show their true colours believe them. She won’t be lonely for long but I agree about unfollowing on social media.

I would encourage both you and your daughter to give it as little energy and attention as possible. Write the letter and get your daughter to write one too then burn it on the fire. Good riddance to them and let new friends come into her life in this new year.x

astoundedgoat · 07/01/2025 14:06

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Oreyt · 07/01/2025 14:06

Think I'm losing it. Did not read anything about a new bf.

FlamingGalar · 07/01/2025 14:10

Matilda761 · 07/01/2025 14:00

This all sounds very upsetting for your DD (and you, too), but a couple of things struck me:

  1. I mean this in a kind way, but everyone sounds ridiculously overly ‘involved’ in one another’s lives. I see why you and your daughter would have this kind of relationship, and her and her now ex. But the relationships she has with her friends seem very over invested and still in the ‘teenager’ stage if that makes sense? At this age, it is normal for some school friendships to change and dissipate and a great new chapter of adult friendships appear with work, travelling etc etc. And tbh I don’t understand why her mum is so involved with her friendships either? I’m mid 30s but this certainly wasn’t common when I was 21. Doesn’t it just add on layers of complication?
  2. she’s well off out of that relationship. Celebrate her new beginnings and opportunity to move forward to better things

We have known the friend for most of her life and it’s been a pretty turbulent one. We offered our support when it was asked for and made it clear we were available as a family to be there when needed, and we were asked to be on a number of occasions. I’m not so invested in many of my kids friendships, but the ones that date back to early childhood we tend to be a little more involved in as we have our own relationships with them to an extent.

New beginnings is absolutely the way forward. This first bit of a relationship/ friendship break up is always hard but DD will be okay ultimately. She has a good life at Uni, it’s just the bit at home that’s tough as non of her uni friends live close to where we do.

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SoNiceToComeHomeTo · 07/01/2025 14:12

Absolutely do not interfere in written or spoken form, but say anything you like anonymously on here. It's very upsetting. I don't know how this 'going no contact' with former good friends became acceptable; it is a vile way to behave even if for some reason (perhaps concern for his mental health) these former friends of DD have decided to prioritise including the Ex in their group instead of DD. They can still be friendly with her for God's sake, and see her one to one.

ItGhoul · 07/01/2025 14:12

I'll be honest here: I was amazed when you mentioned her 21st. I was genuinely expecting you to say she was 15 or 16.

She is a grown adult woman and you are over-invested in her friendships. These are old school friends, but she isn't at school any more. She's an adult. Whatever the reason for her friends cutting her off (and I strongly suspect there is far more to it than you're aware) she unfortunately needs to understand that most people don't just stay close friends forever with the same group of people they were mates with at school. I completely understand how hurt she is, but I'm kind of stunned that you were even thinking about writing a letter telling an adult woman off for not being friends with another adult woman any more. You need to take a step back.

Is she at university or college? Does she work? She must know people other than the small group she was at school with. She has a new boyfriend, so presumably she has some sort of social circle with him. This is honestly just the ebb and flow of friendships throughout life and although it's obviously hurtful, I don't think it helps that you're being just as intense about is as she and her friends are.

Nextyearhopes · 07/01/2025 14:13

It is totally normal to go into Tiger Mum mode. But don't do it. Plan something lovely to do for her 21st together (blow the budget).
This girl sounds horrifically immature. Your DD deserves better friends. Does she have hobbies/interests she can pursue and meet nice people?

JustMyView13 · 07/01/2025 14:15

Please tell DD that so many wonderful people are yet to enter her life. All of my best friends I’ve met as an adult. As for her 21st, could you go away instead?

FlamingGalar · 07/01/2025 14:15

Hesonlyakidharry · 07/01/2025 13:41

Is this guy sort of the central “lad” in the group? And if they cut him, they lose all the boys he brought with him when he and your daughter merged their friendship groups?

I completely missed this message. Yes I believe you’re absolutely right and this is part of it all.

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GeorgeMichaelsCat · 07/01/2025 14:16

BIossomtoes · 07/01/2025 13:34

I don’t understand. Her friends were urging her to finish the relationship so it’s illogical that this would be the reason for ostracising her. There’s something else going on here that you don’t know about. And of course you shouldn’t interfere.

I agree with this. There is an element that you do not have knowledge of at play here.

Insidelaurashead · 07/01/2025 14:17

Totally normal to feel the way you do OP and to want to give the 'friend' a piece of your mind. Not doing so is the way forward, but wishing you could is totally understandable.

FlamingGalar · 07/01/2025 14:18

SoNiceToComeHomeTo · 07/01/2025 14:12

Absolutely do not interfere in written or spoken form, but say anything you like anonymously on here. It's very upsetting. I don't know how this 'going no contact' with former good friends became acceptable; it is a vile way to behave even if for some reason (perhaps concern for his mental health) these former friends of DD have decided to prioritise including the Ex in their group instead of DD. They can still be friendly with her for God's sake, and see her one to one.

My thoughts exactly. Why it has to be all or nothing is beyond me.

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mnreader · 07/01/2025 14:19

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Comedycook · 07/01/2025 14:21

You know when I want to do anything like this...I think two things to myself....

A...in an ideal world, what do I want this action to achieve and what would be the best case scenario.

B...what would actually happen if I did this

It really helps.

I'm guessing...What you want to happen is make your dds ex friend, think wow, I've actually behaved appallingly....I'm going to sincerely apologise to her and never do such a terrible thing again.

What would actually happen in reality....she'll roll her eyes and show dds ex and other friends the messages and talk about her behind her back even more and everything will be much worse.

All you can do is support your DD.

RandomWordsThrownTogether · 07/01/2025 14:24

If you can afford it bring her somewhere lovely for a weekend to mark the occasion - I did the party thing for my 21st but for my 30th went to Venice with family and my 30th was by far the more memorable occasion.

Honestly with these kind of dramas they usually come full circle, the nasty ex will likely display some nastiness to the friend and she will come crawling back claiming ignorance! Leopards, spots etc…. I had a teenage best friend who used to ditch friends for boys and would always inevitably come crawling back afterwards (realised in my 20s how toxic it was). I would have died a million times over if my mum got involved. Encourage your daughter to take up a new hobby or a sport where she might meet new people.

FlamingGalar · 07/01/2025 14:24

Nextyearhopes · 07/01/2025 14:13

It is totally normal to go into Tiger Mum mode. But don't do it. Plan something lovely to do for her 21st together (blow the budget).
This girl sounds horrifically immature. Your DD deserves better friends. Does she have hobbies/interests she can pursue and meet nice people?

We have some nice plans with wider family and we’ve planned sponsor a trip that she really wants to make this summer in lieu of a party. So she has things to look forward to.

Home hobbies are tricky as the one thing she loves to do, this friend also shares and interest in so the chances of bumping into her are very high.

I think the friend is immature, but also a massive people pleaser and brings some pretty awful childhood trauma to the situation as well. Her need to be part of the gang is overriding anything else I think.

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FlamingGalar · 07/01/2025 14:26

Comedycook · 07/01/2025 14:21

You know when I want to do anything like this...I think two things to myself....

A...in an ideal world, what do I want this action to achieve and what would be the best case scenario.

B...what would actually happen if I did this

It really helps.

I'm guessing...What you want to happen is make your dds ex friend, think wow, I've actually behaved appallingly....I'm going to sincerely apologise to her and never do such a terrible thing again.

What would actually happen in reality....she'll roll her eyes and show dds ex and other friends the messages and talk about her behind her back even more and everything will be much worse.

All you can do is support your DD.

Yep I can absolutely see that happening. Another great reason to tap back into when I get twitchy fingers, thank you.

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Twiglets1 · 07/01/2025 14:26

Write a letter (but don't send it) and then try to move on as your daughter must too. I can empathise with you as had a similar thing happen to my daughter years ago now, but it was a painful and confusing time for me as well as her.

Re her 21st, I would plan something fabulous as a mother and daughter or for your daughter with her new bf. Something like a trip to Paris as someone mentioned, or any city she would really love to visit. Then when people ask her what she is doing for her Birthday, she will have something exciting to talk about.

Life can be hard, friends can be hurtful and lovers/ex lovers too. Your daughter will have learnt a valuable life lesson about not relying too much on one person or even one friendship group. My daughter had a similar situation around her 18th and we went to New York as a mother and daughter and had a great time, plus being outside of our normal lives was good for her. She has lots of different friendship groups now as she learnt early that it's better that way.

Thelavhaxmas · 07/01/2025 14:27

You sound like a great mum OP and your reaction, in my opinion, is perfect! The fact you acknowledge you are understandably furious about how your DD has been treated, but resist getting involved because you know it wouldn't help the situation.

DuckbilledSplatterPuff · 07/01/2025 14:28

Theextraordinaryisintheordinary · 07/01/2025 14:06

Sounds so awful and you feel you want to defend your daughter. I’d remind her she will make new friends. When people show their true colours believe them. She won’t be lonely for long but I agree about unfollowing on social media.

I would encourage both you and your daughter to give it as little energy and attention as possible. Write the letter and get your daughter to write one too then burn it on the fire. Good riddance to them and let new friends come into her life in this new year.x

good advice

Hesonlyakidharry · 07/01/2025 14:30

FlamingGalar · 07/01/2025 13:41

My DD has a new boyfriend and I suspect it’s something to do with this. The emotional manipulation that she was subjected to my her ex at the end, I suspect has transferred to others in the friendship group.

In addition, DDs ‘best friend’ became very close to DDs ex’s best friend and I think it’s as much about not wanted to break the whole group up as anything else. I don’t really think it’s about my DD at all. Just a need to keep the group together and it’s easiest to ostracise my DD from it than split themselves in half, if that makes sense.

That’s what I thought. He is the central boy holding the two groups together. If they cut your daughter, the girls can stay friends with all the boys. If they cut him, then he’ll take his mates with him.
They’ve cut her out to keep the boys in their group.