To think staff at playcentres etc should not smoke in front of children?

[levan]

Perhaps I'm being overly sensitive, but I've witnessed this a couple of times recently and it's got me thinking. The first time two members of staff were smoking directly outside the entrance to our local soft play centre, and what made it worse was that the wind was blowing the smoke back into the room. Then today my dd and I visited a children's farm - everything about it was lovely, but once again two staff members were sitting at an outside cafe table and smoking. I don't for a minute begrudge them a smoke break, but I do think they should smoke in an area away from public view. What do you reckon?

awww imo the darker and louder the better

If landlords put up a nice heated shelter away from the doorway I'm sure smokers would leave the doorway clear for you. You can also try to avoid those pubs that dont make proper provision for smokers.

pubs here with outside space use these patio heaters

I don't go into pubs so i'm not talking about them. Dp got started on a while back after he politly told a guy to close the door of restuarant because this guy was standing in the doorway, door wide open having a converstion to some smokers. All the fag smoke was coming inside right down wind of our table.

What does people walking into pushchairs have to do with you expecting people to do what you want them to do?

You said: "The smokers directly outside the doorway are just a classic example of ... they are happy and are doing exactly what they want to do".

asking him to close door is acceptable i dont want to be down wind of someone fag when eating

Its a bit hit a miss here. Some have put heating outside but many have not done anything.

There are plenty going bust though. So I guess the argument that it would bring the nice non smoking people in didnt come to fruitition.

Chequers, smoking and pubs go hand in hand. It's just not right that they banned it. I would quite happily not go to pubs because i hate the smoke as i respect the fact it's nice to have a drink and a fag inside the pub. It's a pleasure to smoke and drink in a pub for some people, it's not my pleasure so i avoid it.

Pubs, Restaurants same difference. How did everyone manage before the smoking ban I wonder. I think smokers are an easy target tbh. Many feel its their right to have a go whatever the circumstances.

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pubs alcohol and adults go hand in hand.imo smoking ban in pubs is fab. culturally yes smoking and alcohol are associated but not absolutely necessary

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Chequers the line was "The smokers directly outside the doorway are just a classic example of how we live in a society where people couldn't care less about concidering others as long as they are happy and are doing exactly what they want to do."

Standing right in front of an entrance smoking, blocking people from getting in is not concidering anyone else other than your own need to smoke.

You then said;"It is of course outrageous that people do what they want to do. They should do what you want them to do." I was assuming you were talking about my post about me with a pushchair.

I then replied that what i wanted was for people not to walk into my pushchair. That's where the pushchair came into it.

I'm not that bothered that I'm forced out on to the street tbh. Its amazing how many really nice fellow smokers I get chatting to.

Its being told where we can and cannot stand on the street that bothers me. Where does it end.

A child is not going to become a smoker because they see adults doing it. They do it because they want to rebel against over protective parents. See my earlier post re the two sisters.

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Sorry chequers that last post was for CoteDAzur!

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Smoke blowing in through a door is not being smoked all over. How did you all cope before?

Chequers it's not double standards. I am happy for people to smoke in pubs yes because if i don't like it i don't have to go in. I can't really avoid going in all entrances of building though can i? I am fed up of saying "excuse me please" to get in somewhere and for people to then look at you like you have just stubbed their fag out on their forehead!

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I cannot think of one instance were I've been huddled in a doorway with other smokers blocking it up. We stand away. Why dont you just avoid the places where this happens.

Or is just because you feel its OK to further vilifile smokers. You are not alone there are plenty of you around.

In all honesty i have had people who have watched me struggle to get a buggy through a door while standing there having a fag. I find alot of smokers really inconsiderate.

abouteve, i can avoid pubs becuase i don't need to go in but some of the places i go into i have to go into. I can't avoid them unfortunatly. Plus, is it really fair to ask me to avoid places because people are too selfish to stap away from an entrance?

Sorry this has happened. Some of us are quite nice really. Maybe they are just feeling pissed off that they have to stand outside and are remembering the good old days (for them) to remember their manners .

But surely in the good old days, people who hated smoking had to put up with-they didn't have a choice? How is that fair?