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Elderly dad and wife expect me to care for her

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Adrienne23 · 04/01/2025 00:10

My dad left home for his now wife of 50 years when I was 8 years old and they by and large lived their own very comfortable lives together, seeing me around 4 times a year until my teens, then we saw very little of one and other aside from speak on the phone twice a month or so. My mother raised me in relative poverty with not much financial support from my dad at the time he used to claim he didn’t have the means and we only discovered in recent years that he and his wife were far better off than they said they were. My mother passed away nearly 10 years ago from a long illness and I was her main support, although she tried very hard to maintain her independence and not lean on me unless absolutely necessary mainly in order to protect my emotional and physical well being.
I started to see more of my dad since my mothers death and increased communication considerably during lockdown. In the past few months his wife has been diagnosed with cancer and they now both absolutely expect me to provide all sorts of support and care for them both as my dad’s health is also poor. I am starting to feeling incredibly resentful. I worked hard on myself following my mother’s death, getting a new job, social life, etc, but I am still deeply affected by the loss. The level of support my dad and his wife expect from me far exceeds the support my mum expected (or received) from me, I get calls and messages about the health condition of both, several times a day irrespective of what I am doing, demands to drive to and from appointments, visit the house, messages that seem urgent and can’t wait only to just want to chat about themselves, and so on. How can I draw boundaries now before I am completely consumed by them and their needs to the detriment of my own?

OP posts:
Tikityboo · 04/01/2025 09:42

I worked hard on myself following my mother’s death, getting a new job, social life, etc, but I am still deeply affected by the loss.

This is the most important thing. Keep doing all of this. Spend all of your time nurturing your own life - your social life, your career and your friends. Your life to date has been hugely compromised by your DF actions in your childhood and you devoted yourself to care for your DM through her long illness.

This is your time now. Life is precious and short and you reap what you sow - so keep doing all the good things for yourself.

You do not need to defend, explain or justify your life choices to anyone especially this entitled male who seems to see women as functional and around to meet his needs only.

but I am still deeply affected by the loss. - have you had any therapy or support for your loss? Can you take time to read up or focus on that?

TisGrandsoitis · 04/01/2025 09:47

You’re in touch with him because you still yearn for the dad who abandoned you as a little girl and desperately want him to step up and change.

That ship has sailed long ago and he chose not to put your needs first, ever.

You owe him precisely nothing in return. You’re an adult now and you really don’t need him dragging you down. You know deep down that he’s always been a selfish prick and I think the time has come to acknowledge this outwardly, block him and move on with your life.

Miloarmadillo2 · 04/01/2025 09:50

5foot5 · 04/01/2025 00:37

"Sorry to hear about your current health problems. I will, of course, stay in touch and come to visit when I can.

"However, I think you should make other day-to-day care arrangements. You were both happy to leave Mum and I to manage with minimal financial or practical help from you when I was a child, so you and your wife cannot reasonably expect a great deal of support and care from me now."

I also think this is a perfect response. What level of support would you offer to a distant elderly relative ?

Phone them fortnightly to have a chat, during which you can helpfully suggest other solutions for any practical issues that have arisen, but don’t get sucked in.

It’s very telling that your mum, who had sacrificed a huge amount to care for you as a child, did not expect you to support her to this level because she cared about you maintaining your own life as well as caring for her.

Wish44 · 04/01/2025 09:51

I have thought about how to handle this situation when it arises with my very shit father.

I used to think I will do absolutely nothing but now
I have decided that while he is a shit person I am a nice person. I will help him as much as I think appropriate/ manageable at the time and no more.

they are shit so felt no guilt/ remorse abandoning us . I will feel guilt and remorse and don’t want that.

LookItsMeAgain · 04/01/2025 09:51

I agree with what has been said before and I think the wording of the message suggested by @5foot5 and by @OnceMoreWithAttitude are excellent. If you decide to use the wording by OnceMore, I'd make one small adjustment to it (in italics and bold below):

“Dad I can see you and DW have increasing need for support and I think we need to be realistic. I had xx years of looking after Mum and know how big a job it is. I need to be honest, for all our sakes, and say I can’t and I won't take on what will become an even bigger job for the coming years. So let’s make sure you have the right support. I can do one day a month helping with xyz. Have you got a Macmillan Nurse? You will need to Let’s look into attendance allowance and getting someone once a day to help with showering / cleaning / cooking / gardening (whatever is needed). “

Put the responsibility back on your father and his wife. I liked the comment that even an asshole with cancer is still an asshole that someone upthread made. It's very true.

You need to accept that this time, you're not going to put yourself through the wringer simply because this person donated some of their DNA to you and then buggered off. I would approach it in a very similar way to how he abandoned you and your mother and can I say she seems to have done a stand out job rearing you to be a considerate woman, one who is grappling with a dilemma like this and I'm sorry for your loss. Only answer the messages/texts/calls when you want to. Work to your timetable. Don't feel guilty at all. You have nothing to be guilty about.

Grammarnut · 04/01/2025 09:52

He did not support you or your mum when he left to live with his new partner. You owe him nothing. Tell him what you have told us - if necessary by email if that suits better - and that you will not be giving him the care he did not give you. Actions have consequences and he left your mother to struggle whilst pretending he didn't have the means to help. What you sow, you reap. He's made his bed and now its uncomfortable he still has to lie on it. Tell him so.
So sorry about your mum. My DM died last March. I still think, 'I must ring mum' then realise she is not there to phone.

Tikityboo · 04/01/2025 09:58

Miloarmadillo2 · 04/01/2025 09:50

I also think this is a perfect response. What level of support would you offer to a distant elderly relative ?

Phone them fortnightly to have a chat, during which you can helpfully suggest other solutions for any practical issues that have arisen, but don’t get sucked in.

It’s very telling that your mum, who had sacrificed a huge amount to care for you as a child, did not expect you to support her to this level because she cared about you maintaining your own life as well as caring for her.

Also how did your DF support you to support your DM during her long illness and support you in your grief?

He had many other opportunities over the past 50 years to make amends and support you if he believed he fell short or made a mistake when you were a child.

ASimpleLampoon · 04/01/2025 10:03

Go no contact. You owe them nothing.

Please promise me you will give them nothing. Don't you dare OP! :)

ButterCrackers · 04/01/2025 10:05

I am unable to provide the care you and your wife need. You can employ a professional carer to provide the help you both need. I cared for my mother and this was 24/7. I cannot care for two people or even one person now. I will contact social services to alert them to you both needing care. You can also ask your wife’s family for care.
As you and your wife know my mother gave her all to bring me up and did so on her own financial means. This work ethic is something that I also have and my time is taken up with working to provide for my family. I therefore cannot take your calls and messages during working hours or during my time with my family. I will call you once a month for a catch up. Regards

Nothatgingerpirate · 04/01/2025 10:06

Well, they gonna have to drastically change their expectations.
Don't let others, even "loved ones", use you.
Noone else is going to put you first, apart from yourself.
Harsh reality of life.

Viviennemary · 04/01/2025 10:12

Under the circumstances you describe I would not be adjusting my own life to help out beyond a reasonable amount of visiting, He made his choice decades ago without a conscience, leaving a wife and young child, It's time you made yours,

jeaux90 · 04/01/2025 10:13

OP look only you can work out what you really want to do here.

I would suggest that you really think about it. Saying no to any of it is ok.

What I did take on for my parents was POA and the management of money to carers etc that was all I was prepared to do because of my own boundaries.

Lots of other good advice on here though.

AmersLee · 04/01/2025 10:14

TheGhostOfTheYearYetToCome · 04/01/2025 09:17

But we all should do what we can to future proof ourselves. Unless they are in their 90's excluding disability there isn't really a reason for them not to be able to Google. I know people choose to get 'old of thought' but if you are 90 you were 65 in 2000..

You don't need a large shop if is delivered, lots of people have the equivalent of a basket delivered.

But the point is that it isn't always that simple to solve someone elses problems. Believe me I have tried.
My DM is the greatest blocker of ideas which could help and as time and technology moves on, the tool that could really help them is further and further out of reach.

Goodness my DF still turns on the wifi if we need it as he doesn't want it running when not in use and wasting the electricity!

Increasingly without a smart phone they are unable to park and pay for their car ( no app).
They cannot navigate an online shop, or order clothing on line.
They can't book a meal out or order a taxi.
They are unable to drive through a local tunnel with a tool managed online.

They don't access online banking, having to go to the bank ( if it still exists).

They are early 80’s.

I was answering another PP with my post, not the OP. The PP suggested that technology is the way forward for support. Clearly for some it is not. (@Codlingmoths).

ButterCrackers · 04/01/2025 10:19

ArrowofPersuasian · 04/01/2025 10:17

I also recommend putting this in place for each person

https://www.gov.uk/power-of-attorney

Good idea but the OP should make sure that they are not involved. A solicitor could be named instead.

ArrowofPersuasian · 04/01/2025 10:20

If they have attendance allowance

You can claim carers allowance, but you can only work part time & still claim it

You need to be clear to them about how much time & money you have to give them

They may need to buy in extra help & care

PointsSouth · 04/01/2025 10:21

Randomontheinternet25 · 04/01/2025 00:42

I know lots of ppl in their 70s would could not do any of that .

On the other hand, the tech that enables it was invented by people who are in their seventies.

Curtainqueen · 04/01/2025 10:24

You are already consumed. Time to remind him just what little support he provided growing up and learnt to start saying no. Distance yourself by just not responding to every single call and every single message.

JennyPenny222 · 04/01/2025 10:25

5foot5 · 04/01/2025 00:37

"Sorry to hear about your current health problems. I will, of course, stay in touch and come to visit when I can.

"However, I think you should make other day-to-day care arrangements. You were both happy to leave Mum and I to manage with minimal financial or practical help from you when I was a child, so you and your wife cannot reasonably expect a great deal of support and care from me now."

This!!! Perfect!!!

diddl · 04/01/2025 10:26

Even if he had been a fabulous Dad & had you & your Mum living in the lap of luxury it still wouldn't mean that you had to help him care for his wife or even care for him.

It seems to spiral so much.

Maybe starts of with shopping once a week.

Then you're doing the laundry, some cooking, cleaning & so it goes on.

I wonder if this expectation that daughters become carers will ever end?

Glitterypolishedturd · 04/01/2025 10:26

I agree with previous posters saying follow the tactics used to deal with narcissists. Any kind of "sorry but.." will be twisted and turned. Look up DARVO, grey rock and JADE. Different rules apply when dealing with this kind of person and you can't apply your usual logic that would usually happen. Good luck OP, you owe this man and woman nothing.

Wizzardry · 04/01/2025 10:26

Randomontheinternet25 · 04/01/2025 00:42

I know lots of ppl in their 70s would could not do any of that .

I find that hard to comprehend @Randomontheinternet25

Presumably the computer-illiterate people you know never worked with any form of technology? It's been used in the workplace for at least 30 years.

Mirabai · 04/01/2025 10:28

This is not uncommon from elderly peolple general - expecting the nearest blood relation to run their lives. Your dad’s behaviour adds a peak level of CFery to the whole thing.

You need to sit them down and explain that their high level of needs mean they now need professional carers.

Their past behaviour was so poor that if is a dealbreaker and you don’t want to be around them that’s fine. If you want to be around them to some degree just not to this level there’s no point bringing up the past as they will just get defensive and it won’t change anything. However if you want to let them go and let them know at the same time - that’s absolutely justified.

Wizzardry · 04/01/2025 10:29

AmersLee · 04/01/2025 10:14

But the point is that it isn't always that simple to solve someone elses problems. Believe me I have tried.
My DM is the greatest blocker of ideas which could help and as time and technology moves on, the tool that could really help them is further and further out of reach.

Goodness my DF still turns on the wifi if we need it as he doesn't want it running when not in use and wasting the electricity!

Increasingly without a smart phone they are unable to park and pay for their car ( no app).
They cannot navigate an online shop, or order clothing on line.
They can't book a meal out or order a taxi.
They are unable to drive through a local tunnel with a tool managed online.

They don't access online banking, having to go to the bank ( if it still exists).

They are early 80’s.

I was answering another PP with my post, not the OP. The PP suggested that technology is the way forward for support. Clearly for some it is not. (@Codlingmoths).

Edited

Have you encouraged them to go on a course for older people @AmersLee ?

Or teaching them yourself?

That's a lot of essential skills they are missing.

My mum has friends in their early and mid 80s who are fantastic with online shopping etc.