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Elderly dad and wife expect me to care for her

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Adrienne23 · 04/01/2025 00:10

My dad left home for his now wife of 50 years when I was 8 years old and they by and large lived their own very comfortable lives together, seeing me around 4 times a year until my teens, then we saw very little of one and other aside from speak on the phone twice a month or so. My mother raised me in relative poverty with not much financial support from my dad at the time he used to claim he didn’t have the means and we only discovered in recent years that he and his wife were far better off than they said they were. My mother passed away nearly 10 years ago from a long illness and I was her main support, although she tried very hard to maintain her independence and not lean on me unless absolutely necessary mainly in order to protect my emotional and physical well being.
I started to see more of my dad since my mothers death and increased communication considerably during lockdown. In the past few months his wife has been diagnosed with cancer and they now both absolutely expect me to provide all sorts of support and care for them both as my dad’s health is also poor. I am starting to feeling incredibly resentful. I worked hard on myself following my mother’s death, getting a new job, social life, etc, but I am still deeply affected by the loss. The level of support my dad and his wife expect from me far exceeds the support my mum expected (or received) from me, I get calls and messages about the health condition of both, several times a day irrespective of what I am doing, demands to drive to and from appointments, visit the house, messages that seem urgent and can’t wait only to just want to chat about themselves, and so on. How can I draw boundaries now before I am completely consumed by them and their needs to the detriment of my own?

OP posts:
Naunet · 04/01/2025 11:07

ZenNudist · 04/01/2025 10:55

Don't let bitterness rule your decision here but do let sense. You don't owe him more than your mother and you need to work out exactly what you are willing to do for them.

Lifts to hospital can absolutely be dealt with by being unavailable and getting them familiar with a taxi company. You could offer to show them how to use uber.

I wouldn't be too blunt about it. You can say its great that you've got more of a relationship now and you'd be happy to continue to see him from time to time but of course you have other commitments and can't fit in full time care too.

Do you stand to inherit? Worth thinking about, not to be relied on but still the reason why I'm saying to moderate your bitterness. You don't need to spell out that he's a useless parent and you owe him nothing.

If you van adopt a tone of breeziness of course I can't I'm surprised you even asked and a bit of bemusement that will get the message across.

I don't know what they are like though.if they encroach too much you might have to ignore them more firmly.

It's not bitterness to not want to provide care to a parent who abandoned you as a child. Its perfectly rational and reasonable.

Starting2025Strong · 04/01/2025 11:07

I wouldn’t lift a finger for a woman who caused so much pain to my dead mother. I’d absolutely refuse.

Your dad is a little more tricky. Even though he’s more to blame for your childhood, he’s got an emotional hold on you.

I’d work out what he means to you. For example I have issues with my own dad and stepmum. I love him, but because of the things he has done, I don’t feel that way about him. I love him, but I don’t like him. As a mature woman he still upsets me. I thought long and hard about how I feel about him, and what I am and am not prepared to do for him.

So, when he comes a calling, I listen and give him some advice, but I’m not doing anything for him, because I don’t owe him anything and I don’t feel guilty about it. He’s turned into a nasty bitter man, and I listen and offer sympathy, but then I put the phone down and get back to my nice life.

Starting2025Strong · 04/01/2025 11:11

Your dad won’t see that he has been a shit dad. Men are too selfish and self absorbed to acknowledge this. He’ll think that because you are his DD you should look after them. It won’t even enter into his head that you’d dislike his wife and not want to help her. A lot of men think that women are put in this earth just to make sure they are looked after.

Areolaborealis · 04/01/2025 11:15

Gently but I suspect that as long as they get their needs met it won't matter who provides the support to them. As PPs have suggested, signpost them to local services and then carry on as normal.

Tomanyflaws · 04/01/2025 11:16

Do nothing for them simple as that if they want help and support they can always apply to go and live in a care/nursing home.

BusyPoster · 04/01/2025 11:21

Work out what you do or do not want to do first them and tell them this clearly.
You could also try putting your phone on do not disturb or temporarily blocking them if they keep calling.
Tell them they will need to pay for help and transport.

DyslexicPoster · 04/01/2025 11:22

I'd say my car was off the road because it needs an expensive repair. How would he know different? It needs x part and its got be ordered in and you xtime to save for it.

Then you can't get to him for x weeks he will have to make alternative arrangements without any confrontation or explanation. If he learns to make alternative arrangements then he has a new option while you gather your thoughts and a?longer term plan.

Fil has been the same to dh. I dread fil getting old and suddenly realising he has a use for a son. He doesn't deserve what he never offered

Cherrysoup · 04/01/2025 11:29

Are you actually caving in to their demands? I would not be answering the phone or doing stuff for them. Bloody cheeky of your father, frankly.

Yellowseat · 04/01/2025 11:33

Naunet · 04/01/2025 11:07

It's not bitterness to not want to provide care to a parent who abandoned you as a child. Its perfectly rational and reasonable.

Quite bitterness, that stick used to control and beat women everywhere. There is literally nothing that goes across as bitter in @Adrienne23 posts just a realistic appraisal of what she experienced from her father growing up.

Knittedfairies2 · 04/01/2025 11:36

Just tell him you'll match the support he gave you as a child, as in none.

speakout · 04/01/2025 11:38

It isn't up to others to respect our boundaries- and we don't need them to.

But it is absolutely up to us to set out boundaries and not allow others to cross them.
And in this case I don't think you even owe these people an explanation.
People only take advantage of us if we allow it,
In your position I would change your phone number or block them.

Rubydoobydoobydoo · 04/01/2025 11:44

You haven't been back to this thread, OP. I wonder why?

Things I'd like to know before answering you directly. Did your father and his second wife have children? If so, are those children involved in their care? Do you have a partner and children? Do you work?

If there are no other children and you could be the sole beneficiary of their estate (and it sounds like it might be an inheritance worth having) then I'd play a canny game of doing what you can, but with firm boundaries. And if you have a full-time job and children and a partner, it's possible to get out of things: so sorry, I have an important work event that day and can't take you to the hospital, shall I book you a taxi? : sorry, I can't make Thursday evening, it's parents evening at Bella's school and I need to talk to her teacher about her reading: sorry, we're going to Dan's parents to celebrate their ruby wedding anniversary that weekend, but I could come over the following Sunday afternoon if that's any help?

If you don't have a partner/ children I would certainly, in your shoes, develop (if only in my head) a very busy job that meant I wasn't always available to respond to calls immediately. 'I know it's inconvenient but we're really not allowed to take personal calls during working hours.' And of course, that job would require you to work weekend cover every couple of weeks and would require you to work away from home sometimes. Set up your excuses for not being available now. A new course of study to further your career, dog or baby-sitting for neighbours (can't come over, I'm booked to look after Matilda and Clementina that afternoon)...

Play it tactically, for your own advantage. He might be your father but he abandoned you and he owes you.

Feelingathomenow · 04/01/2025 11:46

Tell him, following is lead you think seeing them 4 times a year is plenty and you don’t have the time or emotional wealth to give them any more. You’re sure they’ll understand as that’s what he did.

im sorry about your mum, she sounds a wonderful strong woman

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 04/01/2025 11:57

5foot5 · 04/01/2025 00:37

"Sorry to hear about your current health problems. I will, of course, stay in touch and come to visit when I can.

"However, I think you should make other day-to-day care arrangements. You were both happy to leave Mum and I to manage with minimal financial or practical help from you when I was a child, so you and your wife cannot reasonably expect a great deal of support and care from me now."

This is a great response!

I mean, bollocks to looking after him and his wife. It’s mind boggling they even expect it!

Plantymcplantface · 04/01/2025 12:11

BMW6 · 04/01/2025 00:22

Tell them exactly what you've said here - he abandoned you and your Mum, he made his choice so of course you won't be playing the part of a dutiful and caring daughter!

Go NC if needs be. He's a selfish git still.

My family is exactly the same scenario to you, @Adrienne23.

Whilst I agree with the sentiments here @BMW6 and with the OPs original post expressing resentment - I’m not sure in reality that this approach will work. In my experience such a blunt approach to dealing with the understandable resentment could backfire and come across as “cold hearted” - as well as causing the OP more anxiety about this situation.

I chose to write a letter to my Dad and Stepmum that was never posted. I also had a few chats with a good therapist who enabled me to reframe my Dad as an adult human that made his own choices.

In fact I then chose to rename him in my phone from Dad to “plantymcplantface Dads name” as in my case, he is an alcoholic, who didn’t act in a loving/caring/parental way for a long time and has always had a cruel and selfish streak, with very little interest in anyone or anything outside himself. So he is a person, but not
a parent that deserved the same love and support as my lovely Mum when she was terminally ill (who had such grace and throughout her illness thought about other people, and who also brought us up successfully in relative poverty).

All of this helped with identifying and upholding boundaries as they have aged. I haven’t gone NC or had any drama: I’ve just quietly prioritized.

Hankunamatata · 04/01/2025 12:15

I'd get a second sim card and tell them that's your new number. Leave it in a drawer. Look at it once a day. Reply to messages or voicemails with a text. Sorry I'm not avaliable to do x,y,z
Block them on your original number.

Randomontheinternet25 · 04/01/2025 12:29

@Wizzardry my mother definitely could not, she doesn't use the internet for anything and has a dumb phone. I know of several others who are the same

CorduroySituation · 04/01/2025 12:30

5foot5 · 04/01/2025 00:37

"Sorry to hear about your current health problems. I will, of course, stay in touch and come to visit when I can.

"However, I think you should make other day-to-day care arrangements. You were both happy to leave Mum and I to manage with minimal financial or practical help from you when I was a child, so you and your wife cannot reasonably expect a great deal of support and care from me now."

Great message.

MrsPeterHarris · 04/01/2025 12:43

BoxOfCats · 04/01/2025 00:23

Just be unavailable. "Sorry, I'm not available to help with that, you'll need to make alternative arrangements." If they bombard you with calls and messages, just ignore them and respond when it's convenient. Tell them you are busy but you will call them on xxx day (whenever actually suits you). They will get the message eventually.

This.

What a selfish, horrible, entitled man. So sorry for the loss of your lovely mum Op.

Tortielady · 04/01/2025 12:43

He's quite something, your Dad, isn't he? He bd off over the horizon half a century ago when he was a young man with a child. Now he's back, (DW in tow) trying to freeload off you. He's elderly and you, with respect dear OP, have your sixtieth birthday coming up soon. Accepting caring responsibilities at any age is hard, but I'm sure you don't need me to tell you that. Taking them on at sixty, especially for someone who gave you so little of himself when you were growing up would be overwhelming. I'm sixty and although a long way from my dotage, I'm more aware of my limitations than I was a decade or so ago. Spending the run-up to retirement running around after a man who's made a career out of dodging his responsibilities would be a terrible waste of what should be a productive and happy time in your life.

As other PPs suggest, grey-rocking is a good approach, along with strict limitations on the word "sorry" and on justifying and defending yourself. It's in your Dad and his DW's interests too. After all, if you really got started on their myriad weaknesses, deficiencies and failures, they wouldn't know what had hit them!

IhadaStripeyDeckchair · 04/01/2025 12:44

If you want to stay in contact set aside time to call once a week/fortnight/month to suit you for a max of 15 mins.
Otherwise do not respond to calls/texts/emails etc
If they ask for stuff in the calls just grey rock
I can't do that I've other commitments
That doesn't work for me
I can't help with that

Never elaborate
Never explain

If they become abusive tell them and put the phone down. Do not communicate until.your next scheduled call.

Or cut contact. He sounds like he's trying to take advantage of your grief for your Mum to coerce you to into doing things for him.

You have one life. It's precious and fleeting. You have every right to prioritise your work, social & home life - I bet your Mum would be overjoyed to see you thrive and enjoy your life. It's her you need to think of, not your Dad, she knew you & brought you up.
X

Neveragain8102 · 04/01/2025 12:46

Sheesh - he left you and your mum in poverty, lied about his means, and now he expects you to step up.

Put the man (and his wife) in gif a Cheeky Fuckery award.

If it were me I would pick up the phone to the local council and make a referral to ASC for a care and support needs assessment and let them get in with it (whilst knowing that they will have to to self fund the vast majority if not all of the support assessed as being appropriate to their needs)

Rosscameasdoody · 04/01/2025 12:48

ButterCrackers · 04/01/2025 10:19

Good idea but the OP should make sure that they are not involved. A solicitor could be named instead.

Yep, I would definitely not want any part of this as the OP. I have LPA for my elderly mum for health and finance and now that she’s lost capacity the responsibility is ramping up. I wouldn’t want to do it if I felt the way OP does about her dad and his partner.

thisoldcity · 04/01/2025 13:38

I broadly agree with what pp have said here, but I would also add to not go down the route of lying to them about your phone, car, being ill or whatever. Just tell them you can't do it, and leave it at that for your own peace of mind.

I also think it's too late to confront your dad with any of the things from the past - those are private and you know he won't understand what you are talking about as he presumably re-wrote that history a long time ago. Again, for your own peace, don't have an argument with him. Just keep saying you can't do it, you're busy, you've got too much on, whatever. It's all true.

Needanewname42 · 04/01/2025 14:09

Rubydoobydoobydoo · 04/01/2025 11:44

You haven't been back to this thread, OP. I wonder why?

Things I'd like to know before answering you directly. Did your father and his second wife have children? If so, are those children involved in their care? Do you have a partner and children? Do you work?

If there are no other children and you could be the sole beneficiary of their estate (and it sounds like it might be an inheritance worth having) then I'd play a canny game of doing what you can, but with firm boundaries. And if you have a full-time job and children and a partner, it's possible to get out of things: so sorry, I have an important work event that day and can't take you to the hospital, shall I book you a taxi? : sorry, I can't make Thursday evening, it's parents evening at Bella's school and I need to talk to her teacher about her reading: sorry, we're going to Dan's parents to celebrate their ruby wedding anniversary that weekend, but I could come over the following Sunday afternoon if that's any help?

If you don't have a partner/ children I would certainly, in your shoes, develop (if only in my head) a very busy job that meant I wasn't always available to respond to calls immediately. 'I know it's inconvenient but we're really not allowed to take personal calls during working hours.' And of course, that job would require you to work weekend cover every couple of weeks and would require you to work away from home sometimes. Set up your excuses for not being available now. A new course of study to further your career, dog or baby-sitting for neighbours (can't come over, I'm booked to look after Matilda and Clementina that afternoon)...

Play it tactically, for your own advantage. He might be your father but he abandoned you and he owes you.

Op would be the sole beneficiary if the step mum dies first, everything goes to the Dad, then Op.

If the Dad dies first leaving everything to the Stepmum then it goes to Step-mums distant relations.

Unless they have made Wills, I think if I was Op I'd try to find out if they do have Wills, and what's in them.
If its all going to the Cat n Dog home then I wouldn't be putting in much effort.

It might be worth having that conversation along with discussing POA.