What are people doing to their faces?!

[Mania89]

I am mid 30s. Colour my hair, wear makeup, thread my eyebrows etc so not completely natural but my goodness what are people doing to their faces?! Young women who are beautiful now have so much injected into their faces that they cannot move them at all. I was looking back at photos in my mid 20s and was wondering why on earth did I worry about my looks at all. Hindsight is wonderful! And I am despairing that girls younger than this have already started to inject Botox and fillers. The world is going mad and don’t even get me started on weight loss injections for those who are not clinically obese! I have two daughters and really feel so worried for them up.

Very well said

Exactly, I don't get the obsession with wrinkles. It's gravity that ages a face, I'm 42, barely any but my jawline has sagged and my upper eyes, volume loss around face also. Least of my worries though.

Yes!

Plus this from a poster above: What would shock most people is the beauty industry is run by men. They drive the narrative.
I'm still working but I can tell you there are only six top females in this industry. It's truly misogynist.

It's just another way to drain women of their money, their self-esteem and their independence.

An attractive woman to me is one who loves the outdoors: runs, cycles, wild water swims, etc. Eats healthily. Makes positive choices around lifestyle. Fulfilled in work and community, gets involved in charity work. This type of woman will always display natural beauty, will naturally glow and feel good about herself… worth so much more, in my opinion. She’s not going to be influenced by unnatural ways to look more beautiful, including weight loss injections, as she works with what she’s got.

@Ilovemysaltycrumpets is spot on!

It's just the same as any other industry, invent problems make money off problems.

No one is forcing anybody else to have Botox or fillers. It remains a personal choice.

If a person doesn't want an injectable on their body, don't do it. But stop judging the millions of women that keep doing it just because you don't agree with it.

Thanks! I didn't always think that but it's true. I've suffered with really low self esteem and been a bit beauty obsessed but it never makes me happy or like myself.

For me, it's the fact that everyone looks the same. I will admit, I'm a bit vain and worry that women my age will look better than me with tweaks, but then, when you look, they kind of don't. They just look shinier and stretched.

Makeup can be creative. But now, going to the pub, everyone looks the same: lips, fillers, thick lashes, eyebrows. Sorry, the women do. Men are allowed to look however they want. I think it actually hides people's actual good looks behind an idea of what beauty is. And yes I know we've always followed fashions, but not to the extent our faces no longer look human.

It's a bit like in Brave New World, where the protagonist is shocked at the woman on the reservation, who has wrinkles because no one really ages in her part of society. Ben Elton covers it too.

I must admit to being torn. I want to age properly, I've earned every line, but I also don't want to look shit, if everyone around me is tweaking away merrily. But then, their faces aren't theirs anymore either. And it doesn't actually make you look younger - just better. But not really better either.

I go round in circles.

Oh stop it. Just another way of bashing the women you don't approve of. You're a man, aren't you?

@Foggyflumpet IMO I agree & my heart sinks when inevitably friends want to take endless photos & tag me etc. Why is it ness to document so much & it is too easy to judge yourself harshly.

Where was I judging? Not a single word of of what I have said could be construed as judgemental. I haven’t commented on whether or not it looks good, nor have I made any sort of comment criticising women for wanting to look good.

I’m in my 40’s and have started to notice a decline in my face & neck I’ve had another bout of a bowel disease flair and I swear it’s aged me by 10 years…

I am now actually debating some Botox just something to ease my lines.

I have started researching skin care etc and might see a dermatologist to find out if there is anything I can do before Botox as retinol etc should have been started years ago 🤦‍♀️

Only thing I’ve ever done is suncream and moisturiser

Teens in this house love make up & skin care but prefer the ‘natural look’ - luckily they don’t seem overly interested in the ‘fake look’ as they call it 🤷‍♀️ eg the eyebrows, fake lashes and plumped lips they find it quite repulsive - they also don’t seem to overly interested in social media so perhaps I’m just lucky in that aspect.

I have to admit I don’t see the attraction to this look at all but I don’t really care what other people do

But is it really a personal choice to 'enhance' your face beyond all recognition?
Or is it down to peer and societal pressures that some women go down the botox and filler road? I think it's the latter.

For example, when you see a young woman whose obviously gone for the inflated lip look and a frozen face full of Botox, more often than not her friends will look the same. This says to me that people are influenced also by their friends and want to 'fit in' with their group.
In other words, I doubt many women would actually go for the artificial plumped up look if they didn't personally know anyone else in their social circles who have gone for the same.

you’re absolutely spot on with your comment regarding manipulation of the younger generation. There should be more focus on health and fitness rather than pumping Botox and fillers into the face.
In addition if there was more attention placed on healthy food choices rather than the junk people are eating the younger generation would be happier with their reflection in the mirror. When I see parents making bad choices of food for their children it disgusts me, it’s nothing short of child abuse. I’ve seen babies in highchairs eating burgers and fries in restaurants and cafes. Where is the nutrition in that? From the moment they can chew they are being given this shite to eat and parents should be ashamed of themselves.
Society is promoting fatness and encouraging people to being proud of it. This generation will replace the health issues caused by smoking in the last generation with fat related diseases such as diabetes, heart conditions etc, and no amount of Botox can cure that. The face might be line free, but the body will still look like a train wreck. They call it fat shaming… really!!! Be as fat as you like but stop doing it to your kids, it’s child abuse!

@WeCanOnlyDoOurBest everyone will be on the jabs, even the marginally overweight in 10 years. ‘There’s a pill for that’.

This is just the latest keep-young-and-beautiful money-making strategy that Ilove my saltycrumpets has been sold by big business. The 'sleeping right' shit is a clear giveaway that the poster has been captured by her smartwatch and Zoe. It's another rule that you have to follow in your fruitless search for perfection. Big business has seen that they can extract massive amount of women's reduced resources by making every woman feel ugly. Now they've moved onto fitness. It's not good enough to be reasonably fit any more: be able to walk up stairs and play a weekly game of tennis. No, technocratic men are now getting us to spend our money on being superfit.

I'm old and grew up in more relaxed times when women weren't required to spend £££s on going to the gym and Pilates and buying £5k bikes and spending a fortune on fitness gear and all the expensive paraphernalia involved in being superfit. Some of the happiest women I know are those who do what they love for a living and don't feel the need to go spinning or open-water swimming every day (or ever).

Follow the money.

Your whole post is a judgement. You can claim being disingenuous bur you've made your feelings clear about women using fillers.

<< Be a guinea pig at your own risk. Your body, your choice and all that jazz. But while some people might just like a good old bitch about other women's appearances, plenty of us would like to have an adult conversation about the potential long term outcomes of these treatments. >>>

OP doesn’t appear a bit upset about it, quite rightly she’s concerned that her daughters might follow this ridiculous trend of looking like deformed caricatures…. Frankly!

I think it can go beyond that I think we are in danger of or already have created a toxic idea of what being a women means. That in order to be a women you have to conform to this or you are not a women.

and whilst some are happy to conform to it for others it is not what they want or feel and because it is pushed as the ideal for a women they start to feel that maybe they are a women so what are they

we are create stereotypes

also plastic surgery used to be about trying to halt aging yiu at least did spend your 20s/30s with natural beauty that you try to recreate - this model doesn’t do that

@Anotherparkingthread is it their choice though surely that is the question. How much are people pressured into it in order to fit what they are think they need to to conform to the societal. norms

I'm not a man, it's how I feel after going through phases of debating surgery.

I'm not convinced that men find it attractive though.

I have male friends and out and about, they are scathing about 'sink plunger' lips and being able to 'suck a golf ball down a hosepipe'.

How patronising. Follow money? Follow my experiences with shit mental health and physical health. It's the only thing that's worked for me. Your anger speaks volumes.

Also what money? I walk everywhere. I go to bed at 10. No money involved.

I meant that people use "frumpy" as a short hand for not attractive to men.

I’m not a doctor but IMO it’s not wrinkles alone that age you, I think there’s a whole demeanour around looking old - wrinkles sure, weight, teeth, stress, fashion...

And even if they are, a completely smooth face with no wrinkles isn’t necessarily great either, should we really aspire to look frozen in place? And I’ve seen some young women that look well beyond their years with the amount of botched work they had done.

I feel like we’ll probably have to wait at least a couple decades to see the full effect of questionable fillers.