Page 14 | What are people doing to their faces?!

Mania89 · 2025-01-03T23:27:56+00:00

I am mid 30s. Colour my hair, wear makeup, thread my eyebrows etc so not completely natural but my goodness what are people doing to their faces?! Young women who are beautiful now have so much injected into their faces that they cannot move them at all. I was looking back at photos in my mid 20s and was wondering why on earth did I worry about my looks at all. Hindsight is wonderful! And I am despairing that girls younger than this have already started to inject Botox and fillers. The world is going mad and don’t even get me started on weight loss injections for those who are not clinically obese! I have two daughters and really feel so worried for them up.

KilkennyCats · 04/01/2025 10:11

Anotherparkingthread · 04/01/2025 00:42

Speak out? Lol. Speak out against people looking how they want to look?

And op is clearly upset. Enough so to make an entire thread. What other words would you prefer? Perturbed? Distressed? Hysterical? Traumatized? All rather hyperbolic in comparison but not necessarily inaccurate either.

What other women look like, wether that be filler, hair dye, peircings, tattoos, fat, thin, boob job, short skirts or other clothing choices, doesn't matter a dot to me. So I'm not starting threads about it, desperately trying to find other judgey mares to snort at other women with. I don't feel the need to have my opinions validated by others. I don't need to put other women down. I don't need to busy body in something which, frankly, is optional. Nobody is expecting you to get filler or Botox if you don't like it. I don't go around saying 'urgh, look at that woman with wissened little prune lips! She desperately needs some filler to look normal!' because it would be a twatty thing to say. The same can't be said for those who are sanctimonious about women doing anything to xosmetically alter their appearance, they can't resist sticking their opinion in when it has no effect on their life and no effect on them. These thoughts about others are often also rooted in deep misogyny, these threads reinforce the notion that women's bodies are open to critique and criticism. Posters will often express disgust and say how terrible it looks but then go on to suggest that it makes them or other women feel inadequate. These two statements are contradictory, which means neither argument against is is a particularly good one. Often these type of argument only masquerade as concern, when in reality they come from a place of hatred for other women for simply existing and making choices that do not have any bearing on your life, but do not affirm or align with your own set of beliefs. This is prejudice.

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To be honest, you sound far more upset than the op, who calmly expressed an opinion.
Has she touched a nerve? There seems little other reason for your diatribe?

godlikeAI · 04/01/2025 10:13

Tiredalwaystired · 04/01/2025 09:59

From my perspective this is the nub of the matter.

People have always had ill advised fashion choices from poodle perms, to mullets to electric blue eye shadow.

The point is that this was short term with no damage done, short of a cringe when a photo came out.

There is potentially something more long term at stake here that we dont really understand and this is the cause for alarm - not so much the fact their choosing to do it at all

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Yes and visuals aside, I’d be asking myself whether all the ingredients in these products are genuinely safe in the long run. I don’t think enough is known about them, or whether they can cause health problems

Ummmmmmmmmmmmmm · 04/01/2025 10:13

Replace “fillers/botox” with “weight loss injections” and see why people who’ve chosen to unnaturally alter their appearances are offended by this thread.

Bungrung · 04/01/2025 10:13

And Debbie Harry was using heroine, which can do wonders for showing your bone structure

Heroin may show off cheekbones but it doesn’t move them up 😆

EdithBond · 04/01/2025 10:14

Randomontheinternet25 · 04/01/2025 10:09

Heroine- female bravery
Heroin- drug

Haha!

Auto correct - pain in the arse.

Funnywonder · 04/01/2025 10:14

Corknut · 04/01/2025 09:39

Well… what a thread. I’m 39 and I use Botox regularly and gasp used weight loss injections to lose 30+ kg that was ruining my life. I’m of course privileged to have the option to do these things and pay for them. It was my choice and money. Is my choice and money. I’m not sure I should be pitied or looked down on for my decisions. I was morbidly obese (although the term is no longer used) and wegovy has saved my life. Botox is a frivolous choice that I make. I lost weight and I wanted it. I’m not in a certain socioeconomic class that some posters have suggested and yeah I might some day think I didn’t need Botox but who cares, it’s my face. My body. I have a daughter and of course I hope she is always healthy and comfortable in her body and doesn’t have the same challenges I’ve had but if she did I would like to think I would support her to do what makes her happy and healthy too.

Why are you conflating two totally different things? Weight loss injections are an excellent resource to help people gain control of their health. They will hopefully feel better and live longer and avoid some of the debilitating illnesses often associated with obesity further down the line. And yes, they will very likely be happier with their physical appearance. Botox, unless you're having it for medical reasons, is a purely aesthetic choice. Your body, your choice and all that. But the two things aren't even comparable.

Panama2 · 04/01/2025 10:14

You know there was a film Rollerball I think set in the future and all the women with men of power and money had the same surgically enhanced face. Isn’t that what is happening now? I am not judging just an observation that the procedures are turning out very similar looks.

Sheaintheavyshesmymother · 04/01/2025 10:16

Anotherparkingthread · 04/01/2025 00:42

Speak out? Lol. Speak out against people looking how they want to look?

And op is clearly upset. Enough so to make an entire thread. What other words would you prefer? Perturbed? Distressed? Hysterical? Traumatized? All rather hyperbolic in comparison but not necessarily inaccurate either.

What other women look like, wether that be filler, hair dye, peircings, tattoos, fat, thin, boob job, short skirts or other clothing choices, doesn't matter a dot to me. So I'm not starting threads about it, desperately trying to find other judgey mares to snort at other women with. I don't feel the need to have my opinions validated by others. I don't need to put other women down. I don't need to busy body in something which, frankly, is optional. Nobody is expecting you to get filler or Botox if you don't like it. I don't go around saying 'urgh, look at that woman with wissened little prune lips! She desperately needs some filler to look normal!' because it would be a twatty thing to say. The same can't be said for those who are sanctimonious about women doing anything to xosmetically alter their appearance, they can't resist sticking their opinion in when it has no effect on their life and no effect on them. These thoughts about others are often also rooted in deep misogyny, these threads reinforce the notion that women's bodies are open to critique and criticism. Posters will often express disgust and say how terrible it looks but then go on to suggest that it makes them or other women feel inadequate. These two statements are contradictory, which means neither argument against is is a particularly good one. Often these type of argument only masquerade as concern, when in reality they come from a place of hatred for other women for simply existing and making choices that do not have any bearing on your life, but do not affirm or align with your own set of beliefs. This is prejudice.

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I would agree with you on every point here if the OP were just talking about clothes or makeup but as a parent of a girl I do worry about her growing up in a society that might pressurise her into having risky procedures and medications to conform to a particular aesthetic/body type. For me it’s not a judgement on how anyone looks but a nervousness about normalising unnecessary procedures/medication/surgical intervention.

Cornflakes123 · 04/01/2025 10:17

5128gap · 04/01/2025 10:08

There has always been a lot of negativity directed at women who do things to their appearance with the aim of looking more attractive. Women have been called names by other women throughout history for various things - painting their faces, bleaching their hair, short skirts, high heels. It's all part and parcel of the same thing, only procedures give the nastiness a veneer of legitimacy because they can veil it as a health concern or a feminist issue. No one who cares about women would dream of referring to a woman their daughters age as looking like a sex doll.

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I don’t think there is anything wrong with trying to look attractive. This is totally different though. It’s extreme measures people putting themselves at risk by getting injected by people with no qualifications and in a lot of cases these procedures are permanent so no going back. And in a lot of cases they don’t make people look more attractive it’s the opposite. And I am concerned . It’s not snobbery or false concern it’s genuine. The fact that young women feel the pressure to do this really concerns and disturbs me.

Bungrung · 04/01/2025 10:17

Replace “fillers/botox” with “weight loss injections” and see why people who’ve chosen to unnaturally alter their appearances are offended by this thread.

I dont understand this point, do small breasts, thin lips, eleven lines increase your chances if an early death or disease?

Greyrockin · 04/01/2025 10:17

Likewhatever · 04/01/2025 09:49

She was sexy, that was her appeal. Not beautiful. But have you seen her with fillers?

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I disagree that Debbie Harry wasn't beautiful, but that is in the eye of the beholder! Definitely sexy with it.

I have seen photos of DH having had work done as she's aged and put weight on. I think it can be difficult to see a reflection that you don't recognise in the mirror as you get older. I was very attractive in my youth (not that I fully realised it) and I still irrationally expect the younger version of me to be reflected back. For someone like DH, who has been admired as much for her looks as her music throughout her life, I suspect it must be more difficult to accept aging and weight gain. I understand her going down the filler/botox route.

Ummmmmmmmmmmmmm · 04/01/2025 10:19

Funnywonder · 04/01/2025 10:14

Why are you conflating two totally different things? Weight loss injections are an excellent resource to help people gain control of their health. They will hopefully feel better and live longer and avoid some of the debilitating illnesses often associated with obesity further down the line. And yes, they will very likely be happier with their physical appearance. Botox, unless you're having it for medical reasons, is a purely aesthetic choice. Your body, your choice and all that. But the two things aren't even comparable.

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How about the fact that neither choice is anyone else’s business?

Or the fact that users of filler/botox might have hope that if they were happier with their appearances, they might be more confident at work, or around new people they want to befriend, or around people they want to pursue romantic relationships with, and therefore be happier in the long term? Isn’t happiness also part of “feeling better, living longer” that you claim is only the outcome of weight loss injections?

What about the fact that many users of fillers/botox are often people who’ve been bullied for being “ugly” just as users of weight loss injections have been bullied for being “fat”?

Ilovemysaltycrumpets · 04/01/2025 10:21

SocksAndTheCity · 04/01/2025 00:29

Wow, we've gone a full ten days since the last one of these threads was posted - that must be a record.

I haven't checked the whole site though, so I could easily have missed one or two

Edit: here it is, so people can save some time having to come up with new and inventive ways to slag off other women whose views and choices differ from their own and just use the copy and paste 👍

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5236985-why-do-people-get-massive-amounts-of-lip-filler?page=1

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Do you feel great telling another woman what to think also, who are you to police what she can say on here?

Bungrung · 04/01/2025 10:21

I like to look good too & don’t have a problem with people wanting to be attractive. But it’s ok to question why attractiveness has become a very narrow set of standards and individuality isn’t special & you need to make permeant changes to your body that comes with risks.

renoleno · 04/01/2025 10:22

I do wonder what happens after 30-40 years of using fillers, Botox with women starting so young now. Same with starting hard core retinoids in your 20s. I guess no one thinks long term and there isn't any research but if the skin barrier is so easily damaged by just the elements , it's likely to collapse in with regular fillers. I guess we'll see in the decades to come - maybe a bit like all those people who regularly sun tanned in the 80s and look like leather in their 60s now. The longer you live, that's a long time of regretting health and beauty decisions of your 20s!

thriftyhen · 04/01/2025 10:22

I see this as big business, predominantly run by men, playing on predominantly women and their insecurities.

Women as a whole are generally poorer than men, invest less than men, are encouraged to spend more than men.

It is not as simple as having fillers, Botox, etc. It is the patriarchy at its finest, keeping women dependent on things they don't need. Until women wake up to this and make a stand against such nonsense, it will ever be so.

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 04/01/2025 10:22

There was a recent article with identical twins where one had had baby Botox since late teens and one hadn’t. I have to say the one that had the Botox did look great in the older photo. Do I think moderation is key with all this stuff.

Bungrung · 04/01/2025 10:23

How about the fact that neither choice is anyone else’s business?

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EleanorBettyJackie · 04/01/2025 10:23

YourGladSquid · 04/01/2025 02:33

It will be interesting to see in about 10 years what all that work is going to look like because some of it you can tell it’s botched/cheaply done from afar.

The amount of young women I see with bad fillers is crazy. Even my DD was talking about “preventative Botox”! Luckily she outgrew the idea but she knows girls who have been doing it since 18. Insanity.

I have no doubt that personal injury lawyers will be having a field day in a few years' time. The breast implant scandal was the precursor.

EdithBond · 04/01/2025 10:25

user87349287657 · 04/01/2025 09:53

I do wonder who decided two massive Nike ticks was going to be the eyebrow ideal. Each to their own I suppose, but I can imagine future generations looking at photos of great granny in her prime and wondering what on earth was going on!

But, then again, there are great grannies now who have to draw on their eyebrows because they plucked them to oblivion. So, hasn’t it always been thus?

In the 50s, women with big boobs and curvy hips were the fashion ideal
In the 60s, Twiggy-like waifs were fashionable
80s, tall athletic women got attention
90s, androgynous waifs again (“does my bum look too big in this”)
00s, big hips and big bums desirable

All the women who were icons of the changed look broke a trend, rather than followed it.

ItsCalledAConversation · 04/01/2025 10:27

Anotherparkingthread · 04/01/2025 00:42

Speak out? Lol. Speak out against people looking how they want to look?

And op is clearly upset. Enough so to make an entire thread. What other words would you prefer? Perturbed? Distressed? Hysterical? Traumatized? All rather hyperbolic in comparison but not necessarily inaccurate either.

What other women look like, wether that be filler, hair dye, peircings, tattoos, fat, thin, boob job, short skirts or other clothing choices, doesn't matter a dot to me. So I'm not starting threads about it, desperately trying to find other judgey mares to snort at other women with. I don't feel the need to have my opinions validated by others. I don't need to put other women down. I don't need to busy body in something which, frankly, is optional. Nobody is expecting you to get filler or Botox if you don't like it. I don't go around saying 'urgh, look at that woman with wissened little prune lips! She desperately needs some filler to look normal!' because it would be a twatty thing to say. The same can't be said for those who are sanctimonious about women doing anything to xosmetically alter their appearance, they can't resist sticking their opinion in when it has no effect on their life and no effect on them. These thoughts about others are often also rooted in deep misogyny, these threads reinforce the notion that women's bodies are open to critique and criticism. Posters will often express disgust and say how terrible it looks but then go on to suggest that it makes them or other women feel inadequate. These two statements are contradictory, which means neither argument against is is a particularly good one. Often these type of argument only masquerade as concern, when in reality they come from a place of hatred for other women for simply existing and making choices that do not have any bearing on your life, but do not affirm or align with your own set of beliefs. This is prejudice.

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So let’s be curious and open, instead of shutting the conversation down. There’s no law against discussing prejudice.

Ummmmmmmmmmmmmm · 04/01/2025 10:27

Bungrung · 04/01/2025 10:23

How about the fact that neither choice is anyone else’s business?

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Oh sorry you’re right, let’s say all these women look terrible, their work is all very noticeable and they’re actually uglier for it.

Ginmonkeyagain · 04/01/2025 10:29

I mainly worry about the long term health effects of this stuff. It's not like there isn't precendent.

Things people (well women) have done in the past to enhance beauty -

Put white lead paint on their faces

Wear corsets so tight it crushes their ribs and damages their internal organs.

Bind growing feet so they end up crippled.

Put belladonna poison in their eyes to dilate the pupils.

Eating small amount of arsenic to achieve a fashionably pale complexion.

DecayingRelic · 04/01/2025 10:30

yup, there is a young woman I know, she was pretty before but now has a filled face, massive lips, boob implants and a very muscular body, she looks bloody awful and very masculine looking, her DH on the other hand is very pretty and wears effeminate clothing, looks to me like the 2 sexes are merging into neither one or the other😅

Ilovemysaltycrumpets · 04/01/2025 10:33

Some of this just endless consumerism, the best marketing is to invent problems. The beauty industry invents a black hole of problems for women, it's ridiculous the amount of videos/articles/tik toks suggesting you need this product and that product.

Look at that stupid trend 'everything shower' it's just pure ridiculous, who needs to do that, what else are you doing in the day that is interesting when you take a 5 hour shower using 10 products. We are not disgusting monsters that need to use this many products.

I love makeup etc but I'm sick of it all lately, it's just endless and now I think what's wrong with my bare face, I'm not disgusting and I'm sick of the messaging that unless I wear endless products and makeup, get an everything shower then I'm an ugly smelly hag.