What are people doing to their faces?!

[Mania89]

I am mid 30s. Colour my hair, wear makeup, thread my eyebrows etc so not completely natural but my goodness what are people doing to their faces?! Young women who are beautiful now have so much injected into their faces that they cannot move them at all. I was looking back at photos in my mid 20s and was wondering why on earth did I worry about my looks at all. Hindsight is wonderful! And I am despairing that girls younger than this have already started to inject Botox and fillers. The world is going mad and don’t even get me started on weight loss injections for those who are not clinically obese! I have two daughters and really feel so worried for them up.

Sneering? I don’t think it’s sneering to feel sad and disappointed that some young women have been brainwashed (by men?) into trying to look like Porn stars and Instagram influencers instead of having more ambition in life.

It’s bad enough that we have to put up with Drag Queens on national TV looking like a pornographic parody. It’s misogyny gone out of control and it’s shit!

What happened to all the young women growing up wanting to change the world? Where have they gone? In my late teens I was on picket lines and joining marches against racism etc.

I totally agree with you OP

My sentiments are similar- my concern is potential overall impact on my children in the future with self confidence and body confidence

Of course people can do whatever they like with the bodies/face

Equally, people are allowed to have an opinion on this

With my job, I encounter many members of the public and it's striking what so many young women (in their 20s) have done to their face eg lips inflated, rigid face not moving (Botox) massive eyebrows

I remember my DD as a 3 year old asking what was wrong with one of the school mum's lips (massively inflated, looked ridiculous IMO) I'd not said a word/kept my opinion to myself and DD just came out with it v loudly within earshot...!!!

She definitely had a point!

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Frankly, while you're entitled to an opinion, they are also entitled to an opinion. It's their bodies. Their choice. They like it.
The only person who getting upset about it is you, and it isn't your business.'

It is everyone's business as a society if we are giving such toxic messages about women's appearance that young woman feel that they need cosmetic procedures to be 'attractive' and turn themselves in the process, it seems to me, into grotesque plastic dolls.

Instagram filters, porn, constant marketing for new products...none of that is healthy.

We need to raise girls who are happy to be individuals and don't just value themselves by the appearance, especially one based on whatever nonsense is being promoted by so called influencers on Instagram.

Lot of people blaming social pressure, or society’s beauty expectation, or parents posting picture of their cute kids on social media. I reckon it’s mostly peer pressure. Similar to tanning etc or even vaping or getting Ridiculously long nails. It’s not “society” saying that’s the thing to do. In fact if anything “society” says DON’T get duck lips. But one or two of the easily influenced/easily fooled less secure indivudals in the group will do it anyway - and then their friends start second guessing themselves and get dragged in as well as they want to fit in with their small group.

Do you want to give us all a list of what we're allowed to talk about?

Yes definitely.

Sometimes fillers/botox/lips, when subtly done, truly are imperceptible in photos imo. Good lighting, pose, make up. For the sake of photos alone they can be enhancements.

Seeing someone in the flesh though, talking, laughing, moving - it's obvious, immediately, even the 'good' ones. Certain areas of the face move differently, oddly, or not at all and the overall effect is horrific.

I wonder how many people with 'subtle' adjustments look at photos of themselves or look in the mirror with unmoving faces and think they look great...with zero concept of what other people see when you're actually talking to them.

@abs12 exactly! What is the perception as regards their own children. Maybe there is a big difference between what they see with their own eyes when looking at other people and when they looked in the mirror at themselves pre procedures? Like they couldn't see what their true appearance was and couldn't accept that they did look perfectly fine to start with.

As the parent of a 24 year old DD I think I have the right to be concerned.

Although, in my case, DD has no interest in doing anything like this for her own reasons.

I’ve come across this posters brand of hostility on other threads. They are rude and abrupt, and if challenged they will troll the challengers’ posts and tag with laughing face responses -which, predictably, is what’s just happened with my reply to their rudeness and arrogance. Very childish.

Well… what a thread. I’m 39 and I use Botox regularly and gasp used weight loss injections to lose 30+ kg that was ruining my life. I’m of course privileged to have the option to do these things and pay for them. It was my choice and money. Is my choice and money. I’m not sure I should be pitied or looked down on for my decisions. I was morbidly obese (although the term is no longer used) and wegovy has saved my life. Botox is a frivolous choice that I make. I lost weight and I wanted it. I’m not in a certain socioeconomic class that some posters have suggested and yeah I might some day think I didn’t need Botox but who cares, it’s my face. My body. I have a daughter and of course I hope she is always healthy and comfortable in her body and doesn’t have the same challenges I’ve had but if she did I would like to think I would support her to do what makes her happy and healthy too.

One of the biggest trends I think people will cringe at in future is the white dot on the end of people's noses they put there for make-up "contouring". It always looks ridiculous in pictures anyway.

I'd be very sad if either of my children felt the need to alter their beautiful faces just to fit in.

@Bungrung ’work’, in the right hands, can def improve & enhance & power & confidence raised as a result.

From someone in another country.

I don't personally know anyone who has had fillers / botox etc, but there are clinics where you can have it done. I have never heard of a dentist here offering that service as I've seen been mentioned here.

I have seen some local influencers/celebs who are sporting the over sized lips, so it's not, not a thing. But I wouldn't say there is so much of it that I see the swollen lip look out in the wild. Like Tiktok and SM where it seems to be very prevalent in other countries.

I think cost is a factor too though. We aren't in a first world country so for many, it simply isn't an option finance wise.

I think lined, lived in faces look really attractive. Gives a person a great deal of character. IMHO Keith Richard’s looks wonderful. So, I’d rock your lines and grow old disgracefully!

There’s already a move away from the plastic look, so it’s likely people who are uniquely and authentically beautiful, and naturally aged, will become more desirable.

The 2 women I know are doing it because they feel it looks attractive and is a sign of looking after themselves. Not particularly because they believe men like it.
I find it tragic to see because filler moves to the wrong area in time and looks so ugly, and both women were beautiful before they had it done.

The thing I've always wondered... Those who choose to drastically alter their looks with injectables or surgery, and have children. Firstly they alter their looks because they are unhappy with them. Do they look at their children, who used to look like their parent and geel unhappy with their child's looks too? I can't get my head around this. Also, one of life's great joys for me is when I see a family resemblance or trait in my children. It makes me feel connected and part of something, yet you alter your face and that goes away. Finally, how heartbreaking for a youn girl, as an example, as she begins to wonder why mummy doesn't want to look like her?

I always think this , how weird to have your parents “old” face & then will they want to change theirs too?

TBF, it would be almost impossible to look like Debbie Harry, even without make up she was stunning.

One of the issues is that younger people can't see the beauty in their own 'flaws', such as slightly crooked teeth or an amazing profile with slight nose bump such as Cheryl Tweedy. But those natural features can't really be replicated and if they were they wouldn't look good. No-one can really say why one person's crooked teeth are beautiful and another's aren't and of course a lot of it is down to personality showing through.

So there has to be this standardised face of small, upturned nose, big lips and straight teeth (that look like dentures) that can be coped. It just makes me uncomfortable....a bit like when someone has a scar or a birthmark and you don't know whether to look.

She was @Greyrockin
I remember seeing her on TOTP. All the men wanted her and all the women wanted to be her.

Quite right @DowntonShabbie

YANBU. The stretched skin and lips remind me of someone trying to disguise terrible burns or disfigurement and this was the best the surgeon could do. To choose this as a 'look' in insane to me.

It’s very unattractive and makes you look like an object. Most men like natural looking women

As an artist I have drawn and painted many portraits over the years. The older faces are so much more interesting, with the stories of their lives etched into the lines and contours of their faces, all different and individual, and all beautiful in their own way. Long live the stories in our faces.

Eh?
It's even easier for folk not to ask a question that's just been answered.

She was sexy, that was her appeal. Not beautiful. But have you seen her with fillers?