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Elon Musk and Racism

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raincoatwarmcoatlongcoat · 03/01/2025 20:36

Inspired by the other long running thread. I keep reading that he tweets and retweets racist comments. Can anyone link any or all of them please? I see tweets over illegal immigration, as opposed to immigration, but not racist?

So instead of opinions please can people post the actual words used or retweeted? Or anything he said in interviews, word for word?

Thanks!

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FeegleFrenzy · 04/01/2025 09:56

Did not call you a weasel, said you were making weasel insinuations. Big difference.

FeegleFrenzy · 04/01/2025 09:57

I’m not going to engage with the racists and defenders of racists any further. Have a lovely day.

MonkeyVsBunny · 04/01/2025 10:04

FeegleFrenzy · 04/01/2025 09:36

He wasn’t disagreeing with the tweet. If he was I’m sure he would be intelligent to have made that clear. You don’t retweet something to disagree with it without saying you disagree with it.

And it’s the overall actions/repeated l pattern of behaviour. The anti Semitic tweets, the hanging around with racist Trump. The tweets about Scotland where he was raging about Hamza “being racist”. It’s obvious what his opinion is.

you’re defending a racist. Honestly, think about what you are saying.

Hamza is racist. See his racist anti white speach that got all the racism complaints.

MonkeyVsBunny · 04/01/2025 10:04

FeegleFrenzy · 04/01/2025 09:57

I’m not going to engage with the racists and defenders of racists any further. Have a lovely day.

Bet you come back anyway.

lljkk · 04/01/2025 10:13

VJWilson describes her dad as delusional, fake, cruel, dishonest.
I can't know what the guy is really like, but I would have thought his own offspring are hugely better informed than me. So I'll take a lead from VJW.

Cornettoninja · 04/01/2025 10:19

MonkeyVsBunny · 04/01/2025 10:04

Bet you come back anyway.

You’d love that wouldn’t you?

Contraryism just for the sake of it is pathetic but at least for your own peace if mind you can be happy that at least you can emulate that aspect of your idol.

MonkeyVsBunny · 04/01/2025 11:10

Cornettoninja · 04/01/2025 10:19

You’d love that wouldn’t you?

Contraryism just for the sake of it is pathetic but at least for your own peace if mind you can be happy that at least you can emulate that aspect of your idol.

Thinking people are being contrarian just because they express thoughts from outside of your tiny bubble - is the sign of a poorly read mind.

MonkeyVsBunny · 04/01/2025 11:10

lljkk · 04/01/2025 10:13

VJWilson describes her dad as delusional, fake, cruel, dishonest.
I can't know what the guy is really like, but I would have thought his own offspring are hugely better informed than me. So I'll take a lead from VJW.

Given we are often talking about men who think they can be women - I do wonder who is the most delusional…

converseandjeans · 04/01/2025 11:51

@Henrysmycat

This thread has been infiltrated by elons bootlickers and Tommy Robinson’s bendovers. Mumsnet do better.

I'm not a Tommy Robinson fan but I think that maybe in light of what evidence is coming out, then maybe he has been truthful about what was happening in various communities.

I found the race riots over the summer upsetting - but I think that if things are covered up with the view that it would be problematic due to the identity/race/religion of the perpetrators, then once it's clear who was responsible people will be even more angry (due to feeling like they have been lied to).

None of this makes it acceptable to hassle innocent people staying in hotels. Nor is it ok to write offensive comments online.

I think he has been put in prison to get him out of the way & yes I can see he seems to have interrupted a court case, but I think he's so influential that the government would prefer him behind bars. Unfortunately it makes him more popular as ordinary people think he has been badly treated.

I'm really not a fan but I think a lot of people admire what he is doing. Is it racist to expose the grooming gangs if they were all from the same community? I don't know the answer to that.

Cornettoninja · 04/01/2025 12:16

MonkeyVsBunny · 04/01/2025 11:10

Thinking people are being contrarian just because they express thoughts from outside of your tiny bubble - is the sign of a poorly read mind.

Of course it is. 🙄

funnily enough I’ve been perfectly able to engage with people who hold a similar position to you but are able communicate in an able and intelligent way. Little things like not resorting to victimhood when less than ideal factors are held up for scrutiny or making up less than flattering assumptions to make their own world view more comfortable for them to justify to themselves.

rockstarshoes · 04/01/2025 12:16

'I'm not a Tommy Robinson fan but I think that maybe in light of what evidence is coming out, then maybe he has been truthful about what was happening in various communities.

I found the race riots over the summer upsetting - but I think that if things are covered up with the view that it would be problematic due to the identity/race/religion of the perpetrators, then once it's clear who was responsible people will be even more angry (due to feeling like they have been lied to).

None of this makes it acceptable to hassle innocent people staying in hotels. Nor is it ok to write offensive comments online.

I think he has been put in prison to get him out of the way & yes I can see he seems to have interrupted a court case, but I think he's so influential that the government would prefer him behind bars. Unfortunately it makes him more popular as ordinary people think he has been badly treated.

I'm really not a fan but I think a lot of people admire what he is doing. Is it racist to expose the grooming gangs if they were all from the same community? I don't know the answer to that.'

Well even Farage is backing away slowly from Musk's comments on Tommy Robinson this morning so maybe look at the evidence again?

Cornettoninja · 04/01/2025 12:22

Is it racist to expose the grooming gangs if they were all from the same community?

what’s not discussed enough (imho of course) is that racism accusations and claims can be used to disguise. We need to recognise this because it is being used by opposite sides in exactly the same way.

I don’t agree TR (or whatever he’s calling himself this week) has ever been a force for safety or peace. I think he’s a manipulative grifter who has picked up an issue that’s emotive and used it as a cover and agitator for his own ends, which by his own history, have no altruistic motivations.

raincoatwarmcoatlongcoat · 04/01/2025 13:06

JHound · 03/01/2025 21:45

It will be quicker and easier for you to Google.

You will have millions of examples pop up.

I don't spend my life on x or social media and given that so many people have hard opinions about this, it really would be a lot quicker for them (you?) to simply link whatever it was which formed your opinions? Actual words he used, or retweeted?

I have just had a quick google, and millions of examples of other people writing about it, no actual examples of what he has said.

I am not defending or not defending him, this is a genuine thread. Some people clearly have very strong opinions, and I am crediting those people with having seen some actual examples of his words which have informed their opinions.

I agree with some of the things he says, not everything. I think his judgement is very good in some areas, not all. I am not biased one way or the other.

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raincoatwarmcoatlongcoat · 04/01/2025 13:24

Just working my way through the thread.

Musk has claimed that Black students have lower IQs, and that programs to increase racial diversity in hiring airline pilots make air travel unsafe.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/elon-musk-cosigns-racist-claim-153400769.html

On the face of it, Musk was critical of DEI's affecting how people are recruited, not saying that all black people have low IQs. He is saying that people should be recruited on merit, not related to what sex or colour or sexual orientation.

Elon Musk Cosigns Racist Claim That Black Students Have Low IQs

Another month, another endorsement of a deeply racist conspiracy theory by multi-hyphenate Elon Musk. Late last year, Musk threw a massive tantrum on stage following outrage at his calling an unhinged and antisemitic conspiracy theory "the actual truth...

https://www.yahoo.com/news/elon-musk-cosigns-racist-claim-153400769.html

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MonkeyVsBunny · 04/01/2025 13:27

raincoatwarmcoatlongcoat · 04/01/2025 13:24

Just working my way through the thread.

Musk has claimed that Black students have lower IQs, and that programs to increase racial diversity in hiring airline pilots make air travel unsafe.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/elon-musk-cosigns-racist-claim-153400769.html

On the face of it, Musk was critical of DEI's affecting how people are recruited, not saying that all black people have low IQs. He is saying that people should be recruited on merit, not related to what sex or colour or sexual orientation.

it's as if it's actually DEI schemes which are provably racist...

raincoatwarmcoatlongcoat · 04/01/2025 13:29

MonkeyVsBunny · 04/01/2025 13:27

it's as if it's actually DEI schemes which are provably racist...

and sexist.... women can get roles on merit, we do not need patronising quotas.

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raincoatwarmcoatlongcoat · 04/01/2025 13:38

fairydust11 · 04/01/2025 01:14

Completely agree. He knows exactly what he is doing. Anyone that thinks he’s in it for the greater good is delusional in my opinion...

He is using his wealth as the owner of X to destabilise our democracy, he enjoys stoking the fire as part of his agenda, not so much in the US, but the UK definitely…

I think it’s scary & sad some people actually believe he cares about victims of grooming.

I have a new question! Even though my first has still not been answered.

How is he destabilising UK democracy?!

How?! You think that he is manipulating all of our small brains? But isn't that what democracy is about - allowing everyone even those with small brains to have a say?! Because if you insist on making all world conflicts about "freedom and democracy" I think you have to accept the drawbacks of freedom and democracy along with what you place value in. People who you think have small brains also get to vote.

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RafaistheKingofClay · 04/01/2025 13:41

converseandjeans · 04/01/2025 11:51

@Henrysmycat

This thread has been infiltrated by elons bootlickers and Tommy Robinson’s bendovers. Mumsnet do better.

I'm not a Tommy Robinson fan but I think that maybe in light of what evidence is coming out, then maybe he has been truthful about what was happening in various communities.

I found the race riots over the summer upsetting - but I think that if things are covered up with the view that it would be problematic due to the identity/race/religion of the perpetrators, then once it's clear who was responsible people will be even more angry (due to feeling like they have been lied to).

None of this makes it acceptable to hassle innocent people staying in hotels. Nor is it ok to write offensive comments online.

I think he has been put in prison to get him out of the way & yes I can see he seems to have interrupted a court case, but I think he's so influential that the government would prefer him behind bars. Unfortunately it makes him more popular as ordinary people think he has been badly treated.

I'm really not a fan but I think a lot of people admire what he is doing. Is it racist to expose the grooming gangs if they were all from the same community? I don't know the answer to that.

No, he was put in prison for contempt of court. Which he pled guilty to. He could quite easily have avoided it by not repeating the lies that he keeps telling that he has been told not to repeat. The government have no control over that.

And I’m not sure it benefits the government either given the way he’s painted himself as some sort of wronged figure head.

MaterCogitaVera · 04/01/2025 13:46

raincoatwarmcoatlongcoat · 04/01/2025 13:24

Just working my way through the thread.

Musk has claimed that Black students have lower IQs, and that programs to increase racial diversity in hiring airline pilots make air travel unsafe.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/elon-musk-cosigns-racist-claim-153400769.html

On the face of it, Musk was critical of DEI's affecting how people are recruited, not saying that all black people have low IQs. He is saying that people should be recruited on merit, not related to what sex or colour or sexual orientation.

The original tweet made incorrect claims about Black students’ IQs (saying that on average they meet the criteria for borderline intellectual impairment) and made incorrect claims that the average SAT scores for students at HBCUs (Historically Black Colleges and Universities) are much lower than they actually are.

Musk endorsed the tweet, without challenging the lies about Black students’ intelligence and educational achievement, and doubled down on the claim that programmes to encourage applications from underrepresented groups will make air travel unsafe. These programmes do not reduce the standards needed to qualify as a pilot. They simply encourage people who would not usually think to apply. There is no evidence that this will reduce safety. In fact, by increasing the pool of applicants, I would argue that it would probably increase standards, since the airlines will have more people to choose from, and there’s no reason to think that the population of young Black people contains fewer potentially excellent pilots than any other group.

Encouraging underrepresented groups to consider a career that has historically not been open to them is not the same as lowering standards for those groups. Airline pilots are still held to the same standards, regardless of their sex or race. It’s just about making sure that people don’t self-exclude from a career because there is a lack of role models, or because those careers have historically been unwelcoming.

If we were neighbours in a small village, and my family had banned your parents and your grandparents from our home, and been violent towards your family, you would naturally be wary of visiting me. I would need to do a lot to make you feel welcome if I wanted us to be friends. Whereas another neighbour, whose grandparents and parents had been best friends with mine, would probably feel welcome and at home without me needing to make a lot of special effort. Sometimes, circumstances mean that certain groups need an explicit sign that they are welcome, and encouragement to participate, because they know that people like them were excluded (often with a lot of hostility and aggression) in the past.

AwardGiselePelicotTheNobelPeacePrize · 04/01/2025 13:46

squirrelnutcartel · 03/01/2025 22:07

That last example is wrong though because it's not a disinformation campaign, it's the truth. At least somebody with a public profile is airing this disgusting problem.

It is racist disinformation because he is citing unsubstantiated figures as fact and blaming migrant gangs for crimes committed by British citizens, the majority of whom are white.

raincoatwarmcoatlongcoat · 04/01/2025 13:46

Is it also OK that he is an unelected person being allowed an incredible amount of power over world politics?

There have been and still are many examples of unelected persons having an incredible amount of power over world politics, though. Elon Musk is fairly transparent with his views, whereas others do things like fund interest groups which is less transparent. It is an interesting point, what should we do about all of them? I think influence needs to be transparent at the very least, less transparent methods should arguably be against international law.

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biscuitandcake · 04/01/2025 14:15

AwardGiselePelicotTheNobelPeacePrize · 04/01/2025 13:46

It is racist disinformation because he is citing unsubstantiated figures as fact and blaming migrant gangs for crimes committed by British citizens, the majority of whom are white.

The thing is, two things are possible:

  1. Outside of the Rochdale grooming gangs etc which were predominently Asian, South Asian/Muslims are proportionately more likely to be involved in grooming.
  2. Outside of the Rochdale grooming gangs, actually most grooming gangs are majority white (like the population).

Both of those are a risk. And in both cases, letting politics/emotion get in the way of the truth WILL lead to more children being hurt because people get too distracted trying to prove themselves right to put things right. Its hard, but not impossible, to put biases aside and focus on the truth (implementing the reports recommendations would be a start). Unfortunately, people with a large platform deliberately stirring the pot by calling for politicians to be arrested (without any clear explanation as to why) or people in prison for contempt of court to be freed, and speculation and untruths mixed together with the occasional truth make that even harder to do. It encourages people who might be inclined towards possibility 1 to double down/feel like they are on a victory streak. It also encourages people (especially people who are being personally attacked online) to go into siege mentality and be less likely to accept hard truths that might seem to "confirm" Musk's rightness by showing a small thing amongst his nonsense was true. Its not impossible and hopefully the people in charge of making actual decisions manage to be their best selves.

fairydust11 · 04/01/2025 14:32

raincoatwarmcoatlongcoat · 04/01/2025 13:38

I have a new question! Even though my first has still not been answered.

How is he destabilising UK democracy?!

How?! You think that he is manipulating all of our small brains? But isn't that what democracy is about - allowing everyone even those with small brains to have a say?! Because if you insist on making all world conflicts about "freedom and democracy" I think you have to accept the drawbacks of freedom and democracy along with what you place value in. People who you think have small brains also get to vote.

Calm down, I haven’t said anyone has small brains, nor have I said, let alone insisted that all world conflicts are about freedom & democracy?

In my opinion he is involving himself within UK politics - our democracy - there are plenty of examples of this such as tweets holding certain MPs to account during the riots, disinformation & recently through the grooming gangs, then there is the potential funding of reform…as previously said - I believe he knows exactly what he is doing.

Yes, of course he can have whatever opinion he likes, as can anyone, but when you are one of the world’s richest men, with a platform to speak I believe there is a responsibility that comes with that.

biscuitandcake · 04/01/2025 14:38

I don't think Elon Musk saying things on Twitter is itself a threat to democracy. I don think that the line of thinking that goes "we need people like him" to be drawing attention to this or that, or to buy political parties etc is. Because it shows a basic surrendering of agency. Governments do need to be drawn to account. By their own people. When you get to the stage where you are calling in foreign help then you have accepted that you can't do that. And that rarely ends well. It might be necessary e.g. if your country was invaded by Germany, or if you were gneuinely in a fascist dictatorship. But that's not where we are despite what the doommongers might say. And besides, Musk and Trump quite like a lot of the "strong leaders" of actual autocracies and try not to upset them.

biscuitandcake · 04/01/2025 14:45

Also "holding to account" used to mean... something. Its meaning was degraded as the me too movement marched on and then became absorbed into celebrity nonesense (fans hold Taylor Swift to account over her failure to hold America to account over Gaza). Its just clickbaity nonsense. Posting deliberately provocative things like "Arrest Keir Starmer" isn't holding anyone to account.

Real holding to account would be. for example, if your friend said something racist or was leering at a teenager and you pulled them up. Or if a parent punished their child for bullying. Or if voters in a country wrote to their MP about an issue. But most productive "holding to account" happens between peers (say soldiers stopping each other murdering prostitutes) or where there is authority (parents and a child; voters and their MPs). It doesn't happen as often as it should because its difficult whereas arguning with strangers on Twitter is fun. But trolling the libs on twitter is to "draw attention" to issues, is as productive as posing with your tits out to "draw attention" to climate change. They may or may not be nice tits. But it doesn't actually fix anything. If anything it makes it easier to paint anyone talking about climate change as cranks and attention seekers.

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