Elon Musk and Racism

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Inspired by the other long running thread. I keep reading that he tweets and retweets racist comments. Can anyone link any or all of them please? I see tweets over illegal immigration, as opposed to immigration, but not racist?

So instead of opinions please can people post the actual words used or retweeted? Or anything he said in interviews, word for word?

Thanks!

You don't pay tax on private health insurance payments when you buy it yourself. You do pay income tax when it's a benefit in kind from your employer though.

Yes exactly. This should be tax free to incentivise more employers to provide it

No, because it's a benefit in kind. It's basically part of your salary - I had no idea till I got a £1300 tax bill in November as had private health with previous employer. Only time I needed to really use I transferred my care back to NHS as private waiting lists were longer, and I had to spend days calling places to find appointments when I was too ill to really be doing so. Oh, they did give £30 a night while I was an inpatient for 10 days. I would have loved to have transferred to a private hospital for my care, but it wasn't something they were set up for. So funnily enough, I don't have private anymore!

@Feelingathomenow

"starmer is apparently twice as likely to go as Farage."

And Rachel Reeves is more likely to go than Starmer.

Of course not. Assuming those making use of a drug in an off-label capacity are under the supervision of, and cooperating with, a reputable mental health and/or medical professional. Which he clearly is not. As no reputable mental health and/or medical health professional would consider his behaviour an acceptable outcome of treatment.

Why do you think it’s relevant or appropriate to raise someone’s mental health and their legitimate treatment here?

And, yes, considering his position and influence, completely relevant and appropriate. In fact, seeing his medical records is easily part of a normal US confirmation process for such a position as it's part of the security clearance process for access to classified information.

Why? Because its Elon Musk and he is not, in my opinion, behaving rationally. And in the spirit of free speech is a wonderful thing, thanks Elon and Mark, I'm happy to say so.

Just settling down to have a final read of the news and, in the Guardian, is an article about Steve Bannon, famous right wing nutter and rabid Trump supporter. He says of Elon, 'he's an evil racist. I'll have him out of the Trump camp before inauguration day'. Trouble in paradise already? What a shock.

Is Bannon thinking that if there's going to be an evil racist in charge it'll be him?

Who knows with these loons? I heard on radio that Dominic Cummings is sticking his Big Stirring Spoon into the dysfunctional mix of 'free thinkers, freespeakersq and freeloaders currently hanging round Trump so, whilst we should tremble in fear at what they could do, it's impossible not to laugh at their actual schoolyard behaviour. Scary times though.

The problem with right wing narcissists is there’s only room for one.

Ah, I see, you have access to his medical records - presumably those who assess these thing actually then do have access to his medical records and feel his mental state is adequately controlled by the drugs.

I suggest you think more carefully about criticising people’s mental health and their treatment plan.

Are you suggesting that Elon's mental health is in question? Surely not, whatever could lead you to that conclusion? Surely he's in the best of health in his position as personally selected, close adviser to the President Elect? Joyous times ahead.

I don't need access to his medical records to make a judgment. If he sat down next to you and started talking to you in a bar, you'd be pressing the escape hatch.

And, like I said, people with access to classified information have, traditionally had to prove their fitness and stability. Trump, keeper of nuclear secrets in his poolhouse bathroom, has decided to dispense with that requirement. Do you believe that's a good idea?

I suggest you think more carefully about criticising people’s mental health and their treatment plan.

Why? Don't we love freedom of speech above all else? I'm exercising mine.

I know why it’s taxed, I’m saying it should be specifically exempted from tax to encourage greater use by employers. I would favour mandatory provision for companies over a certain size. This would have been much better than NI increase

You can say what you like, but I’m just giving you a heads up you’re coming across as very disparaging of people with mental health issues and their treatments. If you want to keep coming across like this crack on.

id rather sit next to musk in a bar than Starmer

Do you think he is showing sound mental health at the moment? When he is about to take on a major US Government role?

Yes. We can, and do, question those 'at the top'.

I’m saying he has been documented as having depression. Are you questioning the ability of people with mental health issues and on the AS problems to work effectively?

I think he’s perfectly fine. Why? What’s the issue?

I did see some gamers discussing yesterday that Musk has faked being really good at a particular computer game (e.g. paid someone to level up his character) and did a live stream where he was obviously far worse at it than his game level suggested. This is at least the second time this has happened.

That's not normal behaviour for a man in his 50s...

I'm not questioning the ability of people with MH issues to work effectively, of course not and I believe you are expressing a great degree of faux naivete in suggesting that I am. I am offering an opinion, based on observation, that Elon Musk is not being best advised by whoever is responsible for helping him maintain his mental health and that he would possibly benefit from additional assistance.

Not sure why my post was deleted as it certainly did not break any of the guidelines.

• No personal attacks
• No posts that break the law, including hate speech of any kind
• No trolling, misleading or deliberately inflammatory behaviour
• No trollhunting
• No spamming
• No multiple accounts

But I will say again. Anyone who thinks Musk is less harmful to women than Starmer must be very naive to what he has said before. Hopefully any posters who think Musk is preferable to Starmer isn't past their fertile years and, in Musks opinion, past their usefulness.

No, not at all. In fact, a large part of my job, which I love, is helping people with mental health issues get back into meaningful employment.

What I'm clearly and proudly disparaging of is Elon Musk's dangerous, narcissistic, Ketamine-addled behaviour.

Not sure why my post was deleted as it certainly did not break any of the guidelines.

I reported it. Posting that you hope a (presumed) female poster is not past fertility and usefulness is grim. It seems that you were maybe referring to something Musk has said, which really needed clarification in the post, if so.

I think starmer is a threat from the way he treated Rosie Duffield and completely dismissed and side lined her.
If something isn't on his radar : he doesn't get it.
He's a rigid inflexible thinker.
Elon on the other hand has been all over the place he was lobbing grenades at trump years ago and was a Democrat..

I like people being able to change their minds, it tells me they are free thinkers. It shows me they can weigh things up

@noblegiraffe not that it particularly matters but where is the proof that Elon did this?