Happy Elon Musk calling out govt over grooming gang PT 2

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Pt 2 can commence!

So not only do you want to ignore what the victims want which is to take action on previous reports and aligns with what Jess Phillips said. You want to have another very expensive enquiry but are unprepared to say how this will be paid for. (Wasn't this the last govenments bag, making grand announcements but not paying for them, leaving the countries finances precarious?)

You also want people in crappily paid jobs prosecuted if they make a mistake. Yeah, who is likely to take a job on this basis? You would harm safeguarding by doing this.

You don't think it's relevant that she was recently a Labour politician and deputy leader of Rochdale borough council?

I don't agree with everything Musk has posted no, but I would like to see some further investigation as there seems to be too many loose ends.

Dealing with children & the vulnerable is very challenging , you are dealing with peoples lives. It's the law that all in such roles are provided with training & are vetted?
Is any leeway given for "mistakes" or "human error . I believe a lot more work needs to go into safeguarding legislation so we no child slips through the cracks & does not get the protection it needs from the state.

Victim SW wants an enquiry in every single council in the country. JP only wants one is Oldham. That's a hell of a difference.

Also people should only go into these very challenging roles if they no exactly what the role entails which is the protection & safeguarding of minors & the vulnerable. Using & acting on information received to report & prevent crime.

No, I don't think that is relevant

What loose ends are you talkimg about?

Anyone who is not using this for political gain can see there was a very comprehensive seven year inquiry that cost almost £200 million delivered nearly 3 years ago.

There is no need for another national inquiry, just a need to act on the recommendations.

In the Kings speech Starmer specifically pledged to develop a strategy against child poverty, introduce a new offence of criminal exploitation of children, to go after the gangs who are luring young people into violence and crime, introduce services for vulnerable teenagers at risk of being drawn into a life of violence and sexual exploitation and to ‘halve knife crime in a decade’.

They've pledged to restart the school Breakfast clubs the Tories got rid of, to stop no fault evictions and allow tenants to have a pet, to set up ' Future Hubs' for young people - rebranded youth clubs with possible extra social services I suspect- and they've promised a single unique identifier for every child to improve data sharing across services and stop kids falling out of the system. They've also

I don't love a lot about Starmer's Labour party they have already done more than the Tories did about this in the past 14 years.

As the leader of the 2022 inquiry said

“It doesn’t need more consultation, it does not need more research or discussion, it just needs to be done.”

This is quite different from what you wrote above.

Yes, it is already the law that the roles are vetted with training provided. Of course mistakes happen, because people are human. Some mistakes are held to be the result of negligence. Are you not paying attention to the Sara Sharif case?

But you haven’t explained how you are going to legislate against mistakes.

It depends on how you define mistakes. Is it a "mistake " not to act on information received or is it gross negligence.
We need to clearly define what is human error & what is gross negligence? There must be no grey areas.
When dealing with peoples lives there must be consequences for what falls under gross negligence. Do you not agree?

I would happily agree to consequences for any failures of safeguarding amounting to gross negligence, OP. I’ll go out in a limb and guess that most participants on this thread would agree.

However the term ‘gross negligence’ has a specific meaning in British law. It is a very high bar and difficult to prove.

As any solicitor will tell you, in legal terms life is mostly one big grey area. That is why we need lawyers, judges and juries.

Also yes I am following the Sara Sharif case & like most am horrified at what the poor child endured.

@DowntonNabbyI'm sorry i didn't mean to tag you.

@poetryandwine you can say that again,it seems quite a few counsellors had their parts to play in the attack rings

Well, I read this BBC article linked by a previous poster;

In 2022, an independent inquiry by Greater Manchester Combined Authority found that vulnerable children were left exposed to sexual exploitation in Oldham because of "serious failings" by the police and council.

But the report drew criticism for its limited scope, focusing on cases between 2011 and 2014.

[Chris] Philp said: "We need a proper national inquiry to look at all of these issues across all of the towns affected. And I'm afraid to say there are something like 15 to 25 different towns involved, covering thousands and thousands of victims."

Questions about the conduct of local authorities, the police and social care needed answering on a national scale, he argued. Philp also did not rule out the inquiry looking at the role of Sir Keir Starmer, who was director of public prosecutions from 2008 to 2013.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn4xnv02nr0o

I would also like to know more about the circular Gordon Brown apparently sent to all UK police forces in 2008 and whether Keir Starmer was aware of the circular at the time.

Exactly but if legislation changed to demand every single report of csa or sa was followed & investigated to the letter (no grey area, no room for human error) maybe these horrific scandals would be reduced.
Literally leaving no room for error. Surely with AI etc it makes administration easier?
Also if reports weren't followed as directed the consequences like with the professionals paid to do the job?

The legislation must change to protect the most vulnerable in our society & to ensure those paid to protect are doing their job 100%.

@Clavinova I've seen this message on twitter re Gordon brown but it's so heinous I can't believe it,do you have any evidence he said/sent it's

AI is not thst good, OP, and is itself open to abuse. Properly used it could help, yes.

It is not possible to leave no room for error. None of us would take a job with that criterion

I only know that whistleblower Maggie Oliver claims to have read it - her words.

@Ariadneefron so why has this council asked for a different path

Ummmm it's hard to believe.
It needs investigating, was it issued out? Who wrote it.

Maggie Oliver also claims rishi sunnack had no idea what was going on and s braverman did. But was sacked.

Hard to believe indeed

@ Snowangles

This is the statement from Oldham council

“In July the council voted to ask the government to conduct an inquiry into non-recent child sexual exploitation in Oldham, or to conduct our own independent inquiry should the government turn down that request.

“Since October, when the government confirmed we should carry out a local inquiry, we have been working on setting up that independent inquiry.
"That work has included liaising with Oldham survivors and Telford Council which conducted a similar inquiry."

The government has simply said that they think it is better for the reports into this problem to be undertaken by the local government than by central government and this was also the sentiment of the Conservative government in 2022 who gave Oldham council the same answer.

I understand the report undertaken by Telford council was very thorough and is now considered to be a model for how this process should work.

I’m bowing out of these threads now

its clear op has no intent to have a sensible discussion and has acted with bad intent from the start. It’s purely about political point scoring. She has consistently been disingenuous, hyperbolic and inferred absurd points from other posters statements.

there is no value in continuing to discuss with someone who is not posting with genuine intent.

But many individuals who worked with many of the abused across the country have had this training & were given police clearance to enable them do their jobs.

So why were suggesting that what is already the law should become the law. Obviously it's not because you are ignorant about the laws we have - you wouldn't be posting here if you were.

What you have changed to are saying now is that the laws we have should be enforced. Which is a completely different discussion.

Murder is against the law generally. And yet still people get murdered.

👏 Well said.

Not really hard to believe. Gordon Brown is a toe rag, and these claims have been going back for years.
I’m happy to be on the ‘no smoke without fire’ with this one.

Bye bye! I'll miss your "contributions"!