Happy Elon Musk calling out govt over grooming gang PT 2

[Chainzreaction]

Pt 2 can commence!

About the same time it started caring about kids in poverty.

But many individuals who worked with many of the abused across the country have had this training & were given police clearance to enable them do their jobs.
Why did they fail these women?
Was it inadequate training?
Not fully understanding their role in safeguarding?
Why were these women failed?

All jobs have consequences, from disciplinary to sacking to prosecution depending on the circumstances. If someone breaks the law in any job they can be arrested and imprisoned. What you seem to be suggesting is that if someone makes a mistake then they can be arrested and imprisoned. Who in their right mind is going to agree to that in any job?

And children with SEN

There should be no mistakes in safeguarding children & the vulnerable. And very definite legislation will make thay very clear.

All humans make mistakes. You will have no one implementing the safeguarding if they are working under the threat of prosecution as they just won’t take the job and then more vulnerable people will suffer.

It should go without saying that everyone on this thread takes safeguarding seriously. But this is deranged.

But won’t be worth the paper it’s written on since not making mistakes will be unenforceable. All you will do is force the good workers out with the bad.

Deranged? How was this allowed happen on such a massive scale ? How many young girls were utterly failed by those whose job it was to protect them? Are you saying all those girls were victims of "mistakes " as well as the rapists.
How & why were these women failed?

How is legislating against mistakes going to help anything?

You keep asking the same questions over and over and over again. Have you even read the inquiry? You’ll find the majority of your answers in there.

The responsible institution need to put the correct procedures in place and governance. People acting in isolation will make mistakes. People acting under the correct compliance regime will have to be negligent to make mistakes.

So are all those victims of gang rapists victims of mistakes? Why did those paid to protect them fail to do so?

Exactly.

This is a discussion board. Why don't you try answering my question

Why were those girls failed by those paid to protect them?
Why were there so many safeguarding failures?

Don’t change the subject. You said above that you want to legislate against mistakes. I am asking how that will help, because you haven’t explained why it will.

You answer every question with another question. You don’t actually have a clue.

Talking of 'political swipes' the Guardian forgets to mention that Sara Rowbotham has recently served as a Labour councillor (I think she stood down at the last council elections - she was re-elected in 2019);

2017 Sara Rowbotham is a Labour councillor and deputy leader of Rochdale borough council.

https://www.theguardian.com/profile/sara-rowbotham

Read the inquiry if you want answers!

And?

Do you agree with Musk?

@HellsBalls said that under a compliance regime only the negligent can make mistakes.

I disagree, although her response is a thoughtful one.

Cooking is a good analogy. It is virtually impossible to write recipe instructions so clear and detailed that a proportion of beginner and intermediate cooks don’t mess them up. Experience matters.

I expect professional safeguarding, like any job, works similarly.

I don't have a clue, it's you who hasn't a clue with your pathetic attempts of derailing .

I'm asking you again
Do you agree those women were failed by those to protect them?
Do you think that those who fail to safeguard the vulnerable should face consequences?

@Chainzreaction this was your statement that I was referring to, asking why it would help.

I’m not attempting to derail. I can just see you for what you are and I’m not playing your games. You don’t care about these girls anymore than Musk does.

Councillors of all stripes are allowed opinions, and likely to be well informed.