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Happy Elon Musk calling out govt over grooming gang PT 2

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Chainzreaction · 03/01/2025 14:20

Pt 2 can commence!

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MrsSchrute · 04/01/2025 14:07

Billydavey · 04/01/2025 13:58

I’m bowing out of these threads now

its clear op has no intent to have a sensible discussion and has acted with bad intent from the start. It’s purely about political point scoring. She has consistently been disingenuous, hyperbolic and inferred absurd points from other posters statements.

there is no value in continuing to discuss with someone who is not posting with genuine intent.

Totally agree.

Chainzreaction · 04/01/2025 14:10

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/01/04/grooming-gangs-scandal-cover-up-oldham-telford-rotherham/

Good article here from the Telegraph today.

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DuncinToffee · 04/01/2025 14:12

HellsBalls · 04/01/2025 14:01

Not really hard to believe. Gordon Brown is a toe rag, and these claims have been going back for years.
I’m happy to be on the ‘no smoke without fire’ with this one.

Even GB News put quotation marks around her claims.

Chainzreaction · 04/01/2025 14:12

https://x.com/SAshworthHayes/status/1875535756531519934

Tweet from the author from todays Telegraph article...
What are Labour going to do???

x.com

https://x.com/SAshworthHayes/status/1875535756531519934

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poetryandwine · 04/01/2025 14:13

Can anyone point to a Telegraph article criticising the Tories over their part in this? They were on the scene for much longer.

But it’s a better source than the Daily Mail. I give you that, OP

Clavinova · 04/01/2025 14:14

Longtimelurkerfinallyposts · 03/01/2025 17:05

The Tories refused to set up an separate inquiry in 2022, insisting that the IICSA was enough, and that councils like Oldham should organise more local public inquiries if this was needed.
It's obvious that this recent change of heart is simply an attempt to capitalise on the victims' suffering for political ends - pretty shameful really.

There is a noticeable difference with the requests though:

In 2022, an opposition councillor wrote to the Home Secretary requesting a government-led public inquiry after their opposition motion was defeated - i.e. the written request was not backed by Oldham Council;

Calls by opposition councillors for a government-led public inquiry into child sexual exploitation in Oldham were defeated at a town hall meeting;

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-62170399

In 2024, councillors united and voted in favour of submitting the request - the second request should carry more weight;

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cmm2zepyn1go

Chainzreaction · 04/01/2025 14:15

poetryandwine · 04/01/2025 14:13

Can anyone point to a Telegraph article criticising the Tories over their part in this? They were on the scene for much longer.

But it’s a better source than the Daily Mail. I give you that, OP

Have you read this? Who is supposed to be protecting the children?

Happy Elon Musk calling out govt over grooming gang PT 2
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poetryandwine · 04/01/2025 14:16

I can’t read all of it now, OP. It runs off the margins. What is it?

Chainzreaction · 04/01/2025 14:18

poetryandwine · 04/01/2025 14:16

I can’t read all of it now, OP. It runs off the margins. What is it?

https://x.com/SAshworthHayes/status/1875535756531519934

It's contained in this tweet..also if you click on the photo of the photo it will open it up🥰

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https://x.com/SAshworthHayes/status/1875535756531519934

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Clavinova · 04/01/2025 14:24

RafaistheKingofClay · 04/01/2025 14:14

<a class="break-all" href="https://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ukgwa/20130126145542/www.homeoffice.gov.uk/about-us/corporate-publications-strategy/home-office-circulars/circulars-2008?d-7095067-p=1" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ukgwa/20130126145542/www.homeoffice.gov.uk/about-us/corporate-publications-strategy/home-office-circulars/circulars-2008/?d-7095067-p=1

These are all the home office circulars sent to the police in 2008. If it exists it’ll likely be in here.

I got - 'We are experiencing technical difficulties'

SerendipityJane · 04/01/2025 14:35

Billydavey · 04/01/2025 13:58

I’m bowing out of these threads now

its clear op has no intent to have a sensible discussion and has acted with bad intent from the start. It’s purely about political point scoring. She has consistently been disingenuous, hyperbolic and inferred absurd points from other posters statements.

there is no value in continuing to discuss with someone who is not posting with genuine intent.

There are other signs it's time to bow out as well. Before we drown in a deluge of CnP'd content.

Chainzreaction · 04/01/2025 14:36

SerendipityJane · 04/01/2025 14:35

There are other signs it's time to bow out as well. Before we drown in a deluge of CnP'd content.

Bye bye!

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DuncinToffee · 04/01/2025 14:40

poetryandwine · 04/01/2025 14:16

I can’t read all of it now, OP. It runs off the margins. What is it?

In short, the article blames it all on multiculturalism

Chainzreaction · 04/01/2025 14:43

DuncinToffee · 04/01/2025 14:40

In short, the article blames it all on multiculturalism

Have you read it all? I think it's fantastic that the Telegraph have written such an explosive article today.
The more coverage the better . Just saw Elon Musk shared it also.
Are you not horrified @duncintoffee that a policeman told the parent of a 15 year old that an Asian boyfriend was a fashion accessory?
I repeat legislation needs to change so the vulnerable are completely protected.
All eyes on Labour.

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poetryandwine · 04/01/2025 14:44

DuncinToffee · 04/01/2025 14:40

In short, the article blames it all on multiculturalism

Thank you

DuncinToffee · 04/01/2025 14:44

Chainzreaction · 04/01/2025 14:43

Have you read it all? I think it's fantastic that the Telegraph have written such an explosive article today.
The more coverage the better . Just saw Elon Musk shared it also.
Are you not horrified @duncintoffee that a policeman told the parent of a 15 year old that an Asian boyfriend was a fashion accessory?
I repeat legislation needs to change so the vulnerable are completely protected.
All eyes on Labour.

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All hail Musk the Great

GiveMeSpanakopita · 04/01/2025 14:46

SerendipityJane · 04/01/2025 11:25

Interesting to speculate how far "agreement" goes before it becomes "complicit"

I suppose it could be interesting, yes, as a thought experiment. A good example of that I suppose would be Jeremy Corbyn liking that Mear One mural. For some, he was merely agreeing with the depiction of capitalism as being built on the backs of the labour of the oppressed. For others, he was complicit in an act of anti-Semitism.

I think it differs from case to case, and also on how you define complicity. Is it an act, or merely a standpoint? For me, anyone in the Council or LA who knew about the Rape Gangs but took no action is complicit, and should lose their jobs. But for others, they might count merely as bystanders.

Thought experiments like these can be helpful, but in the case of the Rape Gangs, what I would like to see is a full national reckoning. I would like:

  • a national enquiry, pulling out key themes and similarities between the different known gangs
  • Safe systems established for friends and relatives of gang members to inform anonymously
  • A multi-Force police task force led by a senior Home Office civil servant to seek out and arrest perps who have heretofore escaped justice
  • Survivors to be provided with support including psychotherapy
  • a proper conversation about monetary compensation for survivors.
Chainzreaction · 04/01/2025 14:49

GiveMeSpanakopita · 04/01/2025 14:46

I suppose it could be interesting, yes, as a thought experiment. A good example of that I suppose would be Jeremy Corbyn liking that Mear One mural. For some, he was merely agreeing with the depiction of capitalism as being built on the backs of the labour of the oppressed. For others, he was complicit in an act of anti-Semitism.

I think it differs from case to case, and also on how you define complicity. Is it an act, or merely a standpoint? For me, anyone in the Council or LA who knew about the Rape Gangs but took no action is complicit, and should lose their jobs. But for others, they might count merely as bystanders.

Thought experiments like these can be helpful, but in the case of the Rape Gangs, what I would like to see is a full national reckoning. I would like:

  • a national enquiry, pulling out key themes and similarities between the different known gangs
  • Safe systems established for friends and relatives of gang members to inform anonymously
  • A multi-Force police task force led by a senior Home Office civil servant to seek out and arrest perps who have heretofore escaped justice
  • Survivors to be provided with support including psychotherapy
  • a proper conversation about monetary compensation for survivors.

💯

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DuncinToffee · 04/01/2025 14:53

Like this?

https://www.iicsa.org.uk/

BlueSilverCats · 04/01/2025 14:53

@Chainzreaction

  • I repeat legislation needs to change so the vulnerable are completely protected. All eyes on Labour.*

Have a wild guess who actually made changes to the legislation so that rape gangs could be prosecuted ?

Chainzreaction · 04/01/2025 14:54

GiveMeSpanakopita · 04/01/2025 14:46

I suppose it could be interesting, yes, as a thought experiment. A good example of that I suppose would be Jeremy Corbyn liking that Mear One mural. For some, he was merely agreeing with the depiction of capitalism as being built on the backs of the labour of the oppressed. For others, he was complicit in an act of anti-Semitism.

I think it differs from case to case, and also on how you define complicity. Is it an act, or merely a standpoint? For me, anyone in the Council or LA who knew about the Rape Gangs but took no action is complicit, and should lose their jobs. But for others, they might count merely as bystanders.

Thought experiments like these can be helpful, but in the case of the Rape Gangs, what I would like to see is a full national reckoning. I would like:

  • a national enquiry, pulling out key themes and similarities between the different known gangs
  • Safe systems established for friends and relatives of gang members to inform anonymously
  • A multi-Force police task force led by a senior Home Office civil servant to seek out and arrest perps who have heretofore escaped justice
  • Survivors to be provided with support including psychotherapy
  • a proper conversation about monetary compensation for survivors.

Given the scale of the abuse I would go as far as to say it's a national emergency & needs to be treated as one

Especially now with all the intense media coverage. Delighted with The Telegraphs article today. They are not holding back which is how it should be. EM is very vocal today again. He also shared the Telegraphs post & tweets from the author Sam.Ashworth Hayes.

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SerendipityJane · 04/01/2025 14:54

Chainzreaction · 04/01/2025 14:36

Bye bye!

You really do seem to struggle with understanding how peoples comments may not always mean what you think they do.

Oh well.

Efacsen · 04/01/2025 14:55

DuncinToffee · 04/01/2025 14:40

In short, the article blames it all on multiculturalism

Thank you - can't get beyond the Telegraph paywall

Chainzreaction · 04/01/2025 14:55

BlueSilverCats · 04/01/2025 14:53

@Chainzreaction

  • I repeat legislation needs to change so the vulnerable are completely protected. All eyes on Labour.*

Have a wild guess who actually made changes to the legislation so that rape gangs could be prosecuted ?

Yes but that is only the abusers those who are in roles who are supposed to safeguard the victims also need to be accountable if they failed to protect the vulnerable. More work must be done on safeguarding legislation

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