Happy Elon Musk calling out govt over grooming gang PT 2

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Pt 2 can commence!

Ah ok, so that makes it alright for Musk to say what he said, she is not in danger from white men.

Surely it's not either/or - it can be both 'muslim men' and right wing extremists

See Jo Cox's murder rather than David Amess

Good for Musk to shine a light on this again. Way too many people trying to deflect the topic with ‘whataboutism’ and ‘there was an inquiry which concluded satisfactory’ and seem content to sweep the topic of the pedophiles/rapists, who only targeted children who were not of their religion, under the carpet.

Is the idea that Jo Cox is only at risk from Muslim men and not white nationalists based on any sort of fact or just your own prejudice?

I’m fairly certain that she’s at risk from both and has been targeting by both.

It will be interesting to see what Labours next move will be.

In my opinion legislation needs a complete overhaul regarding CSA & SA.

Definitions regarding consent need redefining.

Also any person who works with children or the vulnerable who fails to safeguard need to be treated as complicit through inaction/negligence & face prosecution. Extensive staff retraining will be needed.

These are minimum expectations from Labour to action.

Not one person has said "there was an inquiry which concluded satisfactory".

What has been said is that there has been an inquiry, from which recommendations were made that the Tories failed to implement. Labour has now said it will move forward with implementing the recommendations.

I am expecting all of the below actioned from Labour also. Anything less is not good enough!

In my opinion legislation needs a complete overhaul regarding CSA & SA.

Definitions regarding consent need redefining.

Also any person who works with children or the vulnerable who fails to safeguard need to be treated as complicit through inaction/negligence & face prosecution. Extensive staff retraining will be needed.

So you are not calling for a 'new' investigation any longer?

Perhaps you missed it on this busy thread but asked you earlier which taxes you think should be raised by Labour to fund this?

A new investigation or a investigation into every single council in the country like Sammy Woodhouse is calling for would be very welcome.
As as I said my points above are my minimum expectations of what Labour must do !

That's not my job to figure out the financial side. That's Labours job, that's why politicians are paid the big bucks.
This is a national scandal & must be dealt with as such.

Complete overhaul of legislation
A whole lot of new investigations

Magic money tree

Posting the same screenshot over and over again is unnecessary

I know it's not your job!

just thought you might have a view - given the very high taxes we currently enjoy, widespread outrage at recent tax rises and pre-existing dire state of public services/
the economy

Your 'plan' is just pie in the sky if it can't be paid for

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So I went to the source on the 250,000 figure (thanks to whoever posted the Hansard link): it's a hypothetical extrapolation by Lord Pearson of Rannoch (a UKIP peer FWIW) across multiple years nationwide based on the figures for Rotherham, Telford and Oxford. If it were correct, it would tend to demonstrate that rape gangs operate equally even in areas and cities with low Muslim populations, which I am not sure was his point.

I might buy it as a cumulative nationwide figure across the years, although that would debunk the map someone racist posted in thread one overlaying cases on areas with large Muslim populations. But that is a far cry from what Musk says - that 250,000 girls are currently being systematically raped specifically by migrant gangs. That is why his claims are racist misinformation.

It's a national scandal. The government must find the money. Anything less is frankly not good enough.

I have posted the screenshot as an investigation into every single council in this country is what victim SW is calling for . Isn't it time the powers that be start listening to the victims.

hypothetical extrapolation

Another crossword clue then.

hypothetical extrapolation! (5,8) - "utter bollocks"

Do you not think it's hard enough already to recruit social workers etc? this would lead to an exodus of experienced workers and even worse outcomes.

BTW sorry saw other people got there first with the Rannoch debunk.

The time was when the report was first published, the report you were unaware of

Labour has now said it will move forward with implementing the recommendations.

Good. So the Elon tweets are to be thanked as they should keep this in the limelight and the government under pressure.

Sorry, when did the right wing ever give a shit about social workers ?

I think it would set very clear guidelines. Anyone who works with children & the vulnerable needs to receive police clearance & safeguarding training, that is the law. Why were so many women & children failed ?

If those who breach those guidelines (by failing the vulnerable they are paid to protect)face prosecution for not fulfilling their job description, they will do their jobs correctly & roles will only attract those who are fully up to the job.

Those that understand their roles & job description is to protect the abused not the abusers!

Surely this should be a very basic requirement in such an important & challenging position?

No one will apply for such a job

So you think safeguarding breaches with no consequences are acceptable?

I think it would set very clear guidelines. Anyone who works with children & the vulnerable needs to receive police clearance & safeguarding training, that is the law. Why were so many women & children failed ?

You mean like what I had when I was IT manager at an education and training provider ? Because ... well because it was the law ?

You'll be suggesting we have elected representatives next. Radical.

You want to thank Elon for the spread of misinformation?