Happy Elon Musk calling out govt over grooming gang PT 2

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Pt 2 can commence!

I’m not gaslighting. I’m showing you what I’m looking at. So far you have refused to do so, while telling me I’m wrong. If there’s any gaslighting, it’s right there. You telling me something with no linked evidence while I link you everything I’m looking at.

https://www.iicsa.org.uk/reports-recommendations/publications/investigation/cs-organised-networks/part-introduction/a2-methodology.html

This is what @Totallymessed is referring to, along with one of the appendices

@cardibach https://www.iicsa.org.uk/reports-recommendations/publications/investigation/cs-organised-networks.html

This is the link most people have been referring to

Sorry, are you suggesting there’s something significant about all perpetrators of sexual abuse’s surnames? All of them? Savile for eg?

I do get where you're coming from but I think there's a huge danger that a national inquiry would divert resources and attention from where it matters – on the ground, in the communities where the abuse is still happening. While the Whitehall suits are busy talking about it, the abuse will go on unchecked.

Maybe Musk can offer to bankroll it if he's really that concerned.

In some of the cases. Not in all cases investigated by IICSA. Nobody is denying it was a factor in some cases.

That’s what I’m referring to, certainly. I can see no A2 methodology or limited authorities looked at in that report - can you screen shot it? I know there was no such limitation on the information gathered for it.

Yes. It’s the link I’m referring to as well. It wasn’t limited to certain authorities as far as I can ascertain. Certainly the information gathering wasn’t. Happy to admit an error if someone can show me where it says it is.

@cardibach
Here you go
https://www.iicsa.org.uk/reports-recommendations/publications/investigation/cs-organised-networks.html

I'm referring to the full report, not the rapid read, you need to download it as pdf.

I Have done that. A2 isn’t methodology. Page 8 isn’t what you said. The information gathering wasn’t limited by authority for absolutely certain - my DD was involved in that phase and I saw the adverts asking people to contribute.

That is a good point , I would like to see him bankroll a criminal investigation & I agree the money absolutely must go to communities that will prevent this from happening again.
Also more must be done in enabling staff to raise concerns without being labelled, it's their job to safeguard.

I said it was a general overview that went into more detail in 6 local authorities. It excluded Rotherham, and all other authorities that had already been investigated, from analysis.

I can't be the only one who thinks the main point of all these reports is to minimise the amount of girls being abused now. To try and avoid errors of the past and make the UK a bit safer than similar countries.

I've done some work with the victims, DH has done loads. They (the victims) are hard work, groomers are bloody good at what they do.

Elon is missing the point.

Hang on @Totallymessed . I’ve looked at yours now. It isn’t the full IICSA. It’s a sub report. Look at my link. That’s the full report. No limits by authority.

The methodology says that 6 areas were chosen as case studies. I dont think all information in the report came from those 6 local authorities, but the report was based in part on those case studies.

In a sub report. The full IICSA doesn’t limit itself like that

Yes, I do think that totallymessed isn't looking at the full report. Definitely wires crossing, here.

Full report:
https://www.iicsa.org.uk/reports-recommendations/publications/inquiry/final-report.html

Sub report that mentions limited areas:
https://www.iicsa.org.uk/reports-recommendations/publications/investigation/cs-organised-networks.html

List of all publications generated by enquiry:
https://www.iicsa.org.uk/reports-recommendations/publications.html

Recomendations:
https://www.iicsa.org.uk/recommendations.html

Home page:
https://www.iicsa.org.uk/index.html

I feel like one of us must be going insane. What I see:

Part A: Introduction
A:1 Background to the investigation
A:2 Methodology
A:3 Terminology and references

I don't know what your daughter was involved in exactly, but please read the pdf if you're going to effectively accuse me of making things up- I spent 2 hours today reading the whole thing and the methodology is as I described. The report is based on a deeper dive into the 6 authorities. That is it. Please read it, this is doing my head in.

You were not looking at the final report. See my post above yours.

You are looking at a sub report. I’m looking at the whole report. As I’ve said above, and other posters have demonstrated.
Edit: I linked the full report quite some time ago. At least read replies to your posts.

Great. So I spent 2 hours reading a report I was told to read- to inform myself as apparently I was not informed enough to discuss the issue without reading it- in a link I was given on the previous thread, and now apparently it was the wrong report. What a fantastic use of my evening. I knew there was a good reason one of my new years resolutions was to stop posting in AIBU.

Look on the bright side @Totallymessed, you learnt something yesterday, and thanks to the dogged determination of a couple of posters, you learnt something new this evening, and now have the opportunity to learn more.

Aren't you pleased that they persevered to enable you to have the opportunity learn new facts.

No, @Totallymessed - yo read a related report. I'm pretty sure the people linking IICSA before linked the whole report. That's all I'd seen anyway, which is why I didn't at first recognise that your link was something else. Maybe someone else made the same mistake earlier.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14248495/Keir-Starmer-guilty-failures-tackle-grooming-gangs-former-detective-claims.html

A former detective has spoken out .