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Happy Elon Musk calling out govt over grooming gang PT 2

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Chainzreaction · 03/01/2025 14:20

Pt 2 can commence!

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cardibach · 03/01/2025 22:07

Totallymessed · 03/01/2025 22:05

Well, I read the entire bloody thing earlier, and I can assure you that the Jay report very much did. Feel free to read it yourself if you don't believe me.

I’ve read a lot of it. I’m also very aware of how it gathered info as my DD was involved at that step. Can you quote the bit that says it only looked at certain authorities? Because that’s not my understanding.

Chainzreaction · 03/01/2025 22:08

YourFunnyMauveSnake · 03/01/2025 22:03

100%

I will go as far as to say there has been a full blown cover up.

The establishment KNEW about these Muslim gangs. I am British Sikh and in the early 2000s talks were being held at Sikh temples raising awareness on Muslim men targeting Sikh girls. We discussed their tactics - they would wear Sikh articles of faith to pretend to be Sikh, they would buy gifts and secret phones, get girls drunk and blackmail them with compromising photos. There was a helpline. I was told how to avoid falling prey.

Police were informed but nothing happened for DECADES.

How many lives could have been saved had we been listen to. We believe Sikh girls were the initial targets.

The talks were called “Kaur to Khan”.

The dynamics of why this was allowed to go n need to be examined. Too many people just wanting to cover their arse. More people, vulnerable women most likely, will be the ones paying the price otherwise.

It boils my piss.

Edited

Exactly. If not a new public inquiry then a criminal inquiry needs to be implemented.

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schmeler · 03/01/2025 22:09

Totallymessed · 03/01/2025 20:30

The report actually says that the data was not mostly not collected. It's gone into in detail in Section B.5: Ethnicity Data Collection.

The data is collected on this and has been reported in the past so yes we do know the main perpetrators.

AdventFridgeOfShame · 03/01/2025 22:09

Totallymessed · 03/01/2025 22:06

In that case the poster is incorrect, the areas looked into are as I described. Feel free to read it yourself.

Independent report
IICSA: report of the Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse
Final report of the Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse (IICSA), chaired by Professor Alexis Jay.

I read it. I cut and paste it so OP could read it.

cardibach · 03/01/2025 22:09

Hang on. There is a Jay report into Rotherham too. Are we at cross purposes? The Rotherham one was 2015. The 2022 one wasn’t limited.

Totallymessed · 03/01/2025 22:11

cardibach · 03/01/2025 22:07

I’ve read a lot of it. I’m also very aware of how it gathered info as my DD was involved at that step. Can you quote the bit that says it only looked at certain authorities? Because that’s not my understanding.

Section A2: Methodology.

Totallymessed · 03/01/2025 22:12

cardibach · 03/01/2025 22:09

Hang on. There is a Jay report into Rotherham too. Are we at cross purposes? The Rotherham one was 2015. The 2022 one wasn’t limited.

Seriously, just read the fucking thing yourself if your so intent on proving me wrong.

DowntonNabby · 03/01/2025 22:12

Chainzreaction · 03/01/2025 22:03

I get where you are coming from. I would like to see much more poured into local communities & also into education to protect children & young girls from these predators.

But I also feel if there are people out there who had knowledge & failed to act. These people must not be left walk away ,they must be investigated. This may mean opening a criminal investigation into cover ups. Why were individuals protecting the rapists instead of the children & young adults?

Why were individuals protecting the rapists instead of the children & young adults?

So much of that was covered in the first inquiry and a lot of instances were down to people tip-toeing around race. Are you saying a social worker, for example, should be dragged to court now and prosecuted because they were too worried about being branded a racist to speak up back then? Where's the public interest in that?

cardibach · 03/01/2025 22:13

Totallymessed · 03/01/2025 22:11

Section A2: Methodology.

Are you look8ng at this? There is no A2 Methodology here.
https://www.iicsa.org.uk/reports-recommendations/publications/inquiry/final-report/i-victims-and-survivors-voices/part-introduction.html

AdventFridgeOfShame · 03/01/2025 22:13

cardibach · 03/01/2025 22:09

Hang on. There is a Jay report into Rotherham too. Are we at cross purposes? The Rotherham one was 2015. The 2022 one wasn’t limited.

The 2022 IICSA report was written by Professor Alexis Jay.

It is the report that people have been telling OP about all fecking day. Until I did the C&P at 10.45ish she denied it existed.

I can quite believe that Prof Jay wrote more reports because there are so any about this.

cardibach · 03/01/2025 22:14

Totallymessed · 03/01/2025 22:12

Seriously, just read the fucking thing yourself if your so intent on proving me wrong.

Which fucking thing? The 2015 fucking thing into Rotherham or the 2022 fucking thing which I’ve linked to?

Totallymessed · 03/01/2025 22:15

cardibach · 03/01/2025 22:09

Hang on. There is a Jay report into Rotherham too. Are we at cross purposes? The Rotherham one was 2015. The 2022 one wasn’t limited.

What do you mean? I quite clearly said that the 2022 Jay report covered six local authority areas and specifically excluded Rotherham, or any other authority that had previously been investigated. I haven't mentioned the 2015 report. You're the only person I've seen mention the 2015 report.

AdventFridgeOfShame · 03/01/2025 22:16

cardibach · 03/01/2025 22:14

Which fucking thing? The 2015 fucking thing into Rotherham or the 2022 fucking thing which I’ve linked to?

Sorry

What report, Musk says there is no report.

Now we have two different ones to confuse, seven years apart.

Is Musk taking the piss?

cardibach · 03/01/2025 22:16

Totallymessed · 03/01/2025 22:15

What do you mean? I quite clearly said that the 2022 Jay report covered six local authority areas and specifically excluded Rotherham, or any other authority that had previously been investigated. I haven't mentioned the 2015 report. You're the only person I've seen mention the 2015 report.

The 2022 report wasn’t limited to 6 authorities. I’ve linked it. Can you link where you see this A2 methodology that says it was?

Chainzreaction · 03/01/2025 22:16

DowntonNabby · 03/01/2025 22:12

Why were individuals protecting the rapists instead of the children & young adults?

So much of that was covered in the first inquiry and a lot of instances were down to people tip-toeing around race. Are you saying a social worker, for example, should be dragged to court now and prosecuted because they were too worried about being branded a racist to speak up back then? Where's the public interest in that?

Anyone who failed to do their job & protect the children should face investigation. Race shouldn't come into it. It's basic safeguarding & doing the job they are paid to do.
Do you not think they should face investigation if the rapists instead of the children were protected?
If that's the case the investigation needs reopening or a new one actioned so those who had the means to speak out & act didn't bother.

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Totallymessed · 03/01/2025 22:19

cardibach · 03/01/2025 22:16

The 2022 report wasn’t limited to 6 authorities. I’ve linked it. Can you link where you see this A2 methodology that says it was?

From page 8:

Six case study areas were chosen: Durham, Swansea, Warwickshire, St Helens, Tower Hamlets and Bristol. Eight themes were examined in each area: • problem profiling and disruption of child sexual exploitation; • empathy and concern for child victims; • risk assessment, protection from harm and outcomes for children; • missing children, return home interviews and children in care; • male victims; • children with disabilities; • partnership working; and • audit, review and performance improvement. In addition, the Inquiry undertook a detailed analysis of material held b

YourFunnyMauveSnake · 03/01/2025 22:19

Leftist white women would rather argue over methodology and statistics than use their eyes when reading the perpetrators’ surnames.

The virtue signalling needs to stop. So bloody open minded their brains fall out has never been truer.

It totally distracts and that is why we get nowhere.

DowntonNabby · 03/01/2025 22:19

Chainzreaction · 03/01/2025 22:16

Anyone who failed to do their job & protect the children should face investigation. Race shouldn't come into it. It's basic safeguarding & doing the job they are paid to do.
Do you not think they should face investigation if the rapists instead of the children were protected?
If that's the case the investigation needs reopening or a new one actioned so those who had the means to speak out & act didn't bother.

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But race is a factor in the case, whether you want to acknowledge it or not. It was then and still is now. If it could be proved that people deliberately covered up the abuse to protect the rapists, then yes, they should be held accountable. But National Crime Agency investigated multiple Rotherham council officials in 2017 and found insufficient evidence of a cover up. Lots of lessons to be learned regarding accountability, but no evidence of criminal intent. But you want a second inquiry to reconfirm that?

Totallymessed · 03/01/2025 22:24

YourFunnyMauveSnake · 03/01/2025 22:19

Leftist white women would rather argue over methodology and statistics than use their eyes when reading the perpetrators’ surnames.

The virtue signalling needs to stop. So bloody open minded their brains fall out has never been truer.

It totally distracts and that is why we get nowhere.

Believe me, I spent hours yesterday trying to discuss the horrific things that were allowed to happen, and I was met by a wall of "oh, haven't you bothered to read the report? That's all been covered by the inquiry already!". So today I read the entire report- 200 pages.

Now apparently the report says something totally different to the report that I read earlier. The gaslighting is off the scale, and I can't deal with anymore of it. So I am bowing out.

Totallymessed · 03/01/2025 22:26

@cardibach
Taken from the report headed:
Investigation Report February 2022 A report of the Inquiry Panel Professor Alexis Jay OBE Professor Sir Malcolm Evans KCMG OBE Ivor Frank Drusilla Sharpling CBE

Totallymessed · 03/01/2025 22:27

@cardibach I won't be replying to anymore gaslighting crap, so don't bother.

Chainzreaction · 03/01/2025 22:28

DowntonNabby · 03/01/2025 22:19

But race is a factor in the case, whether you want to acknowledge it or not. It was then and still is now. If it could be proved that people deliberately covered up the abuse to protect the rapists, then yes, they should be held accountable. But National Crime Agency investigated multiple Rotherham council officials in 2017 and found insufficient evidence of a cover up. Lots of lessons to be learned regarding accountability, but no evidence of criminal intent. But you want a second inquiry to reconfirm that?

But not acting on information is gross negligence.
That's only the Rotherham enquiry. If there was a national enquiry into all the rape gang scandals, a bigger picture would be formed. Anyone who protected the rapists over the victims needs to be investigated. And these people found.
Everyone who works with children & teens needs to pass child safeguarding & not acting upon information is gross negligence.

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cardibach · 03/01/2025 22:28

Totallymessed · 03/01/2025 22:19

From page 8:

Six case study areas were chosen: Durham, Swansea, Warwickshire, St Helens, Tower Hamlets and Bristol. Eight themes were examined in each area: • problem profiling and disruption of child sexual exploitation; • empathy and concern for child victims; • risk assessment, protection from harm and outcomes for children; • missing children, return home interviews and children in care; • male victims; • children with disabilities; • partnership working; and • audit, review and performance improvement. In addition, the Inquiry undertook a detailed analysis of material held b

I can’t find that in here https://www.iicsa.org.uk/reports-recommendations/publications/inquiry/final-report/i-victims-and-survivors-voices/part-introduction.html
However, case studies in a report don’t mean nothing else was looked at. They are just some detailed sections.
Can you link to the report which that is ‘page 8’ of? Because the IICSA/Jay report I’m using is a web document. A2 wasn’t Methodology and it doesn’t have pages, just paragraphs.

AdventFridgeOfShame · 03/01/2025 22:30

DowntonNabby · 03/01/2025 22:19

But race is a factor in the case, whether you want to acknowledge it or not. It was then and still is now. If it could be proved that people deliberately covered up the abuse to protect the rapists, then yes, they should be held accountable. But National Crime Agency investigated multiple Rotherham council officials in 2017 and found insufficient evidence of a cover up. Lots of lessons to be learned regarding accountability, but no evidence of criminal intent. But you want a second inquiry to reconfirm that?

In this case, it would appear Muslims are the worst.

In the CoE case it would appear middle class white men are the worse.

We could carry on with BBC and CC and others. Each case is unique and requires proper profiling. As advised in the 2022 report.

Latest FOI stats show that sex offenders and CSE offenders are fairly much in proportion with the general population. However, for some reason the Gov spreadsheets have failed to record data very well for decades. But now they use AWS they may become better at recording stuff at a data base level. Time will tell.

cardibach · 03/01/2025 22:30

Totallymessed · 03/01/2025 22:26

@cardibach
Taken from the report headed:
Investigation Report February 2022 A report of the Inquiry Panel Professor Alexis Jay OBE Professor Sir Malcolm Evans KCMG OBE Ivor Frank Drusilla Sharpling CBE

When 8 search that specific term and download the report, this is page 8. It’s the same report I’ve been referring to. I have no idea what you are reading.

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