Happy Elon Musk calling out govt over grooming gang PT 2

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Pt 2 can commence!

You are being disingenuous and you know it. If these were white rapists in Knightsbridge or Mayfair exploiting young girls of colour you wouldn't be banging the drum for a dictatorship. Elon Musk wouldn't be exploiting the victims for clicks either.

Priti Patel's 2021 report, just in case anyone is interested in facts, reports or inquiries.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/group-based-child-sexual-exploitation-characteristics-of-offending/group-based-child-sexual-exploitation-characteristics-of-offending-accessible-version#characteristics-of-offenders

How exactly am I being disingenuous? I have not once brought ethnicity into this debate which is discussing EMs calling out of the governments handling of this particular scandal. Every person who commits a CSA or any SA need to feel the full affects of the law including those who had information which could have prevented it.

That doesn’t make it credible or factual. Or prevent it from having an agenda.

The poster in question was not saying that stopping CSA equated to living in a dictatorship. She was saying that allowing a well known foreign agitator to dictate policy undermined democracy. Which it absolutely does. And which you seem to think is perfectly OK.

And you then stated that you felt a dictatorship was acceptable under certain circumstances. So again - which dictatorships which currently exist in this world do you feel are getting this right?

I lived in America for 15 years, OP. Fox may have a large audience but it doesn’t win many journalism awards. It is the Daily Mail of American television news

This is one of the problems highlighted in the report (I did actually read the entire, nearly 200 page, document today), that rape victims were not treated as crime victims but as being complicit in their abuse, and often as being criminals themselves. There's an entire section of the report given over to discussing this in detail (I think section E).

I can understand Keir Starmer being reluctant to discuss it, reading about the general culture in police forces and the CPS at the time is quite depressing. Hopefully the recommendations will finally be implemented in full. I don't have much hope that KS will confront his part in what happened, and it's clearly been turned into such a party political issue now, by Elon Musk wading in, that he won't be held to account.

Why are you mentioning ethnic communities? Certain posters seem hellbent on trying to bring race & colour into this. Anyone who commits a CSA crime needs to feel the full effects of the law including anyone who was aware but failed to take action .

Agreed. So why is your focus exclusively on a small subset of the grooming gangs and the inquiry surrounding them?

Of course if the recommendations from the inquiry are implemented they will cover the full spectrum of grooming gangs, not just the ones that you and Musk are so laser focused on.

One has.

Because the rape gangs were predominantly Pakistani and the victims white. Race and ethnicity are absolutely at the crux of the scandal that's got you calling for a dictatorship.

Is covering up what happened to thousands of white girls (250k plus has been suggested) something a democratic society does?

This wasn’t grooming as in a man lovebombs and buys flowers and they have sex.

TRIGGER WARNING
12 year old girl was anally raped by 4 men at the same time. 4 penis in anus at once. They were raped with broken bottles. Sold to men. Threatened with guns. Threatened to be burned. Cigarettes stubbed out on them. That isn’t grooming that’s torture. They were rape and torture gangs not grooming gangs.

I followed the news via bbc and newspapers at the time I only found out the above detail this week.

Is the government hiding that detail from the public and other parents in 50 affected towns democracy but calling it out and putting into in the eye of the world a sign of a dictatorship?

Or is it making our Western Government become accountable and take care of our young people.

Lots of people globally had a lot to say about the Giselle Pelicott trials (quite rightly she was so very brave) but people’s comments are just opinions. I take them or leave them.

Also from this attention Rupert Lowe MP has had numerous conversations and has found out it is apparently STILL happening today.

If that is the true I am very glad that anyone has put this in the Worlds eye as it may save young girls from being tortured.

And it’s, ‘effects’ rather than, ‘affects’ too.

But the perpetrators were imprisoned right? And there were a number of inquiries?
So what was covered up?

Or to put it another way, where's your rage for the Scottish sex abuse victims, who had to wait 40 years for an inquiry? Or for the victims whose abusers were recently found to be protected by the Church of England?

Anyone who knows of incidents of CSE taking part now, needs to inform the police. Unless they want to be complicit in the crime.

Two hull girls said via Sky news in sept 24 the have not had justice and the still see their rapists in town

@AdventFridgeOfShame @MrsSchrute

No many weren't and the police and other people who were complicit also faced no penalties.

Off the top of my head if 250 police were complained about only 7 faced penalties. Not exact figures.

The whole report is full of complete failures to collect data on the part of the police and local authorities. I have no idea why Jess Phillips thinks councils will magically be able to investigate themselves, even without the obvious conflict of interests.

The report describes decades of terrible policies and inconsistent (or total lack of) recording of data. It's an absolute shitshow. I've never read such a litany of incompetence and total disregard for safeguarding of children.

British Asian or Muslim origin -
It reported that the issue of race, and the fear of being seen as racist, may have hindered
the detection and intervention in some cases of child sexual exploitation throughout the
country for a number of years. Indeed, upon arrest, some of those in Rochdale alleged that
the prosecution was motivated by race The Home Affairs Committee found that it was
essential that professionals were able to raise their concerns freely and without fear of being
labelled racist However, many of those involved in investigating child sexual exploitation
cases warned against citing race as a key factor and a number of child sexual exploitation
cases involving groups of offenders from other ethnic backgrounds were identified.

The victims were let down x2.

Once as victims of CSE, and once of victims as hate crimes.

Again, you’ll never hear me dismissing one group of rapists because another group exists.

Each group needs to be specifically target, and ignoring the MOs of particular groups helps no-one, least if all the victims.

This is mumsnet, an anonymous forum , it's not a state document. Cop on, clutching at straws

The same straws you clutched at with my type of shares to shred which in no means even changed the meaning of the sentence.

Your comments are posted in a rash manner and you are typing things you don't mean. Then getting cross when we understand what we've read but not what you meant.

It's like trying to have a conversation with a reception class - and I'm still on school holidays 😉

The report actually says that the data was not mostly not collected. It's gone into in detail in Section B.5: Ethnicity Data Collection.

@Totallymessed it's incredible isn't it..
A huge problem is we all think in every area of public life that there is joined up thinking and someone somewhere putting things together.
That's true of school when a child starts to have learning issues, we think it will be noted and acted on. We think a protocol, system will come into place.
No.

We think in the docs if a is presented with they may look at notes and x u and z and join up the dots.

Remember Sarah sharif had been on a child protection order Before she was born. Dad was reported as violent etc but the school had absolutely no idea of this?.. Until recently the abusive bastard in these attacking rings have been able to change their name and escape identification and carry on regardless.

We are too soft in the UK.

Nazir Afzal, former chief prosecutor and someone who played a key role in prosecuting the rape gangs, has said:

'For those of you suggesting a national public inquiry into so called grooming gangs will deliver accountability
Do you know that the grand total of people brought to justice following the Hillsborough, Grenfell, Post Office, Infected Blood & Bloody Sunday public inquiries is ONE?'

I think that he knows far more about the situation than anyone on this thread, and so his opinion has weight.

Le Monde published an article yesterday;

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2025/01/02/musk-urges-release-of-british-far-right-figure-tommy-robinson_6736645_4.html

Rupert Lowe was advised today It is apparently still happening today.

I have spent hours reading this in the last 48 hours. I have put links on another live thread on MN. There are people who have researched this for years. It’s is huge.

The Jay report wasn’t carried out in the main towns affected. Rotherham was apparently only mentioned once. I don’t think the worst cases were reported. But I am happy to be corrected as I have not read the report only extracts. Whistleblowers were threatened. The babies from rape are STILL forced to see the rapists who raped their mothers.

Its all on X and you can then check the sources/material and background of those involved.

How can a council whose welfare officer was the ringleader of the Rotherham rape gang investigate themselves? That seems odd for a democratic country.

‘An independent review said Shabir Ahmed, who led the sexual abuse ring in Rochdale, was seconded to the Oldham Pakistani Community Centre during his time working for the local authority.
Despite multiple concerns being raised about him and his arrest for the sexual assault of children, police failed to tell his employers.’

Sky news.