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Happy Elon Musk calling out govt over grooming gang PT 2

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Chainzreaction · 03/01/2025 14:20

Pt 2 can commence!

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RemusLupinsBiggestGroupie · 03/01/2025 19:49

DowntonNabby · 03/01/2025 19:44

Following does not equal accurate reporting. There is no media outlet more responsible for right washing the truth than Fox News.

Edited

Not sure why you’re quoting me. I know exactly what Fox News is.

Chainzreaction · 03/01/2025 19:49

DowntonNabby · 03/01/2025 19:47

Again, you are equating audience share with accurate reporting. Seriously, you need to exercise better critical thinking if you honestly believe the number of viewers a channel has means it tells the truth.

Edited

You were trying to imply Fox news reporting counted for nothing when in fact it really does considering how many tune into the station & follow Fox online!

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DowntonNabby · 03/01/2025 19:50

RemusLupinsBiggestGroupie · 03/01/2025 19:49

Not sure why you’re quoting me. I know exactly what Fox News is.

Sorry! I meant to tag OP's post about Fox's audience share.

pointythings · 03/01/2025 19:51

Chainzreaction · 03/01/2025 19:46

I asked you to find the posts! I was waiting for you to provide the info!

I just did. Screenshot and all with a post from you stating that if having a dictatorship would prevent CSA, bring it on. Which is, as I stated, you calling for a dictatorship. So I asked you which of the many current dictatorships we currently have in the world are modelling this utopia. And I haven't had an answer. Colour me surprised.

DowntonNabby · 03/01/2025 19:51

Chainzreaction · 03/01/2025 19:49

You were trying to imply Fox news reporting counted for nothing when in fact it really does considering how many tune into the station & follow Fox online!

I'm not saying it counts for nothing to the millions stupid enough to watch it. I'm saying it's mostly made up bollocks and concerted right washing of the news.

RemusLupinsBiggestGroupie · 03/01/2025 19:51

Chainzreaction · 03/01/2025 19:49

You were trying to imply Fox news reporting counted for nothing when in fact it really does considering how many tune into the station & follow Fox online!

It counts for dangerous spreading of misinformation and dangerous support of dangerous right wing nonsense. However many idiots might watch it, that still doesn’t make it reputable.

Nicknameattemptno6 · 03/01/2025 19:52

Chainzreaction · 03/01/2025 19:46

I asked you to find the posts! I was waiting for you to provide the info!

She did I think. At 19.29.
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5243859-happy-elon-musk-calling-out-govt-over-grooming-gang-pt-2?reply=141056323&utm_campaign=reply&utm_medium=share

Snowangles · 03/01/2025 19:53

@DowntonNabby it was the police who were obstructive and difficult in the first instance

SnappyGreyLemur · 03/01/2025 19:55

Chainzreaction · 03/01/2025 18:22

Well are they going to be implemented? It's 2025 now.
What about all those complicit with their inaction? What's going to happen there?

I hope you have been calling for them to be implemented in the period between 2022 and July 2024.

PeppyGreenFinch · 03/01/2025 19:56

SnappyGreyLemur · 03/01/2025 19:55

I hope you have been calling for them to be implemented in the period between 2022 and July 2024.

Apparently in some letters to MPs. But she won’t say what she put in the letter.

Do share the letter, OP.

DowntonNabby · 03/01/2025 19:56

Snowangles · 03/01/2025 19:53

@DowntonNabby it was the police who were obstructive and difficult in the first instance

That doesn't mean the current cohort shouldn't do their jobs now to stop it. Often when the police fail to meet targets, top officers from other forces are brought in to do reviews. They should do the same now – draft in someone (possible from a foreign force, so even less bias) to take actionable steps. Far more cost effective than another pen-pushing inquiry.

schmeler · 03/01/2025 19:56

GoldThumb · 03/01/2025 19:17

Can someone correct me if I’m wrong - but from what I understand the enquiry was a national enquiry, meaning it had a broad spectrum and therefore localised issues (Rochdale, Rotherham) were not targeted.

There were also local enquiries but these do not have the same impact.

Also, genuine question - one of the issues which was highlighted in the national enquiry was that the ethnicity of perpetrators was not recorded, and this should change. So how can people confidently say what ethnicities are under or over represented in terms of ethnicity, if it wasn’t recorded?

I’m actually sick and tired of people saying ‘white people abuse children too’ and that this is a problem with men.

while yes, it is, we need to recognise and tackle the specific groups individually.

I can’t ever imagine dismissing the fact one group of men abuse girls, because another group do as well.
We must tackle all of them.

And the way to tackle these Pakistani rape gangs should be targeted to specifically tackle them

The same way child abuse in the church should be targeted to them.

The same way dark web gangs should be targeted.

And any other identifiable group.

Saying it’s an issue with many groups doesn’t really help, does it? How do you target CSE by looking at a broad umbrella? You can’t.

Each single ‘type’ of group needs to be investigated, look at their MOs, how each group operates.

Just saying ‘it’s across the board’ helps no-one.

No-one seems to have an issue here in saying there’s a problem with CSE in the church etc.
In fact some posters have used it as a ‘gotcha’.

The same standard needs to be applied across the board.

There is an issue with the men in these communities, and it needs to be addressed and tackled.

Not subjected to ‘whataboutery’.

What I’m hearing is the 250k estimate is conservative, and it may be closer to 1m.

These girls deserve better.

Most are white grooming gangs not Pakistani. There is a whole range of ethnicities involved. However, the main perpetrators are white data shows.

Also it doesn't help when the local safeguarding team is if you suspect CSE then it is a level 2 not 4 intervention in some cases.

cardibach · 03/01/2025 19:56

Atissues · 03/01/2025 19:01

Rupert Lowe has confirmed on X following many conversations with a variety of people today that this is still happening.

‘’Talking to rape gang victims/campaigners today, it is clear that this cancer has spread almost unchecked. Horrifyingly, it continues today. Victims, past and present, don't need 'thoughts and prayers' from politicians, they need justice.’’

The Jay report didn’t look at the main towns involved.

Charlie Peters on X has done extensive research on this as has Raja Miah. Both are worth looking up.

https://news.sky.com/story/oldham-grooming-report-finds-police-and-councils-failed-to-protect-some-children-from-sexual-exploitation-12637246

https://amp.theguardian.com/uk/2012/aug/02/rochdale-grooming-leader-child-rape

The ringleader of Oldham was a council welfare officer. Maybe Oldham want a review as some people believe it needs to be impartial?

If girls are still being raped by gangs in the U.K. why wouldn’t the gov do whatever it can to help?

The Jay report looked at any incidences of CSA which were reported.

Chainzreaction · 03/01/2025 19:58

pointythings · 03/01/2025 19:29

Here you go. Your words.

This op referred to stopping CSA as not living in a democracy & compared it to a dictatorship ! So yes if a dictatorship will prevent CSA & the drugging & raping of children then yes.
The other poster suggested it. I want the end of CSA is a dictatorship the only way? We both no the answer is no. So it's was actually agreeing with the op who suggested a dictatorship. Is that all you have?!

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Shallysally · 03/01/2025 19:59

Chainzreaction · 03/01/2025 15:01

Well now it's obviously time to reopen it. This can't be swept up under the carpet.

Perhaps you could show some empathy to the victims rather than being so enthusiastic about reopening this enquiry.

Surely you know enough about British politics that whichever party are in power they are not truly interested in this. Look at the country as a whole, it’s a shambles to put it mildly.

Elon Musk is trying to court favour, nothing more.

Chainzreaction · 03/01/2025 20:00

Shallysally · 03/01/2025 19:59

Perhaps you could show some empathy to the victims rather than being so enthusiastic about reopening this enquiry.

Surely you know enough about British politics that whichever party are in power they are not truly interested in this. Look at the country as a whole, it’s a shambles to put it mildly.

Elon Musk is trying to court favour, nothing more.

The victims have been speaking out today & want a new public inquiry.

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RemusLupinsBiggestGroupie · 03/01/2025 20:01

Chainzreaction · 03/01/2025 19:58

This op referred to stopping CSA as not living in a democracy & compared it to a dictatorship ! So yes if a dictatorship will prevent CSA & the drugging & raping of children then yes.
The other poster suggested it. I want the end of CSA is a dictatorship the only way? We both no the answer is no. So it's was actually agreeing with the op who suggested a dictatorship. Is that all you have?!

It’s, ‘know’ not, ‘no’ - just saying.

itsgettingweird · 03/01/2025 20:01

Chainzreaction · 03/01/2025 18:02

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn4xnv02nr0o

This is what I am referring to. Phillips rejected the call for a national enquiry into rape gangs. Why ?? It is very disappointing.

Because there is already one.

Which you've finally accepted.

JP wants the findings implemented.

justteanbiscuits · 03/01/2025 20:02

Shudacudawuda · 03/01/2025 18:49

One of the reasons people are calling for a FURHER enquiry is that there are still unresolved aspects relating to what happened - for example, court mandated contact for the rapist with the children born from the rapes they committed. There are women still fighting to have this overturned out of fear for their babies safety.
Also, some of the girls still have criminal records from when they were arrested by the police INSTEAD of their rapists.
Some were as young as 12/13 while the adult men got off scott free.
There is so much still to do, this is NOT OVER.

https://x.com/sammywoodhouse1/status/1875203845539639298

Edited

None of the rapists were given access to children conceived from the rapes. In one case the rapist, while serving 35 years for his part in the rapes, was told that as he has parental rights, he would be kept informed of proceedings in the family court. Due to the very brave mother standing up and publicising this, the law has been changed. From May 24 child rapists will no longer be able to make decisions about their children.

PandoraSox · 03/01/2025 20:03

Chainzreaction · 03/01/2025 19:58

This op referred to stopping CSA as not living in a democracy & compared it to a dictatorship ! So yes if a dictatorship will prevent CSA & the drugging & raping of children then yes.
The other poster suggested it. I want the end of CSA is a dictatorship the only way? We both no the answer is no. So it's was actually agreeing with the op who suggested a dictatorship. Is that all you have?!

You are making a tit of yourself.

Chainzreaction · 03/01/2025 20:03

Shallysally · 03/01/2025 19:59

Perhaps you could show some empathy to the victims rather than being so enthusiastic about reopening this enquiry.

Surely you know enough about British politics that whichever party are in power they are not truly interested in this. Look at the country as a whole, it’s a shambles to put it mildly.

Elon Musk is trying to court favour, nothing more.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14246771/Rotherham-grooming-gang-victim-demands-new-public-inquiry-scandals-amid-growing-war-Elon-Musk-Keir-Starmer.html{mention:Chainzreaction}

This has been posted already upthread . You may have missed it. Some victims want a new public inquiry.

Victims of grooming gangs demand public inquiry

The row began yesterday after Jess Phillips rejected a request by Oldham Council for the Home Office to lead a public inquiry into child sexual exploitation.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14246771/Rotherham-grooming-gang-victim-demands-new-public-inquiry-scandals-amid-growing-war-Elon-Musk-Keir-Starmer.html

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itsgettingweird · 03/01/2025 20:04

I'm thanking the person for replying to my post with her explanation of why JP didn't want a national enquiry implemented.

Surely you should have been in possessions of those facts before you posted 🙄

DowntonNabby · 03/01/2025 20:05

Chainzreaction · 03/01/2025 19:58

This op referred to stopping CSA as not living in a democracy & compared it to a dictatorship ! So yes if a dictatorship will prevent CSA & the drugging & raping of children then yes.
The other poster suggested it. I want the end of CSA is a dictatorship the only way? We both no the answer is no. So it's was actually agreeing with the op who suggested a dictatorship. Is that all you have?!

OP, if you're happy for the UK to become a dictatorship, why don't you just be honest about what you really want the outcome of this news agenda to be – the expulsion of certain ethnic communities from the UK. You have spent two threads tiptoeing around the crux of your argument when it's pretty obvious what you are getting at. The rape gangs are just the driver.

Chainzreaction · 03/01/2025 20:07

DowntonNabby · 03/01/2025 20:05

OP, if you're happy for the UK to become a dictatorship, why don't you just be honest about what you really want the outcome of this news agenda to be – the expulsion of certain ethnic communities from the UK. You have spent two threads tiptoeing around the crux of your argument when it's pretty obvious what you are getting at. The rape gangs are just the driver.

Why are you mentioning ethnic communities? Certain posters seem hellbent on trying to bring race & colour into this. Anyone who commits a CSA crime needs to feel the full effects of the law including anyone who was aware but failed to take action .

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GoldThumb · 03/01/2025 20:12

schmeler · 03/01/2025 19:56

Most are white grooming gangs not Pakistani. There is a whole range of ethnicities involved. However, the main perpetrators are white data shows.

Also it doesn't help when the local safeguarding team is if you suspect CSE then it is a level 2 not 4 intervention in some cases.

Nationally, I’d expect that. As the majority of the country is white. And this was a national enquiry.

But the enquiry specifically states that ethnicity is not recorded, so we have no data locally. I’ve quoted the section upthread…

So we can’t say one way or another

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