AIBU to think that Bridget Phillipson is exaggerating the level of middle-class support for VAT on school fees?

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Bridget Phillipson has been quoted as saying that the policy is supported by "middle-class parents in good professional jobs with housing costs who just can't afford that level of fee" and want "brilliant state schools". www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c86wd1y7v2xo

Is this true, in your experience? Most middle-class parents with professional jobs who I’ve discussed this with think that it’s a spiteful policy (including those who don’t use the independent sector).

AIBU to think that Bridget Phillipson is exaggerating the level of support for the policy?

Then why did you post “This was in the context of SEN not physical disabilities.”? ‘In the context of SEN’ can include ‘physical disabilities’. Your use of ‘not’ made implied you didn’t understand physical disabilities can be SEN.

A diagnosis isn’t required for exam access arrangements.

Certainly both lectures and tutorials are ineffective ways of transmitting knowledge.

If you're looking for help with pedagogy, you could do a lot worse than looking at what's used in the vast majority of bog-standard state schools - Rosenshine's Principles of Direct Instruction.

But children can and do survive in larger classes with the right adjustments.

What absolute guff - and what do you think is done in tutorials? How do you think you do that effectively with large numbers of students apart from taking them in smaller classes?! You think you can do university level material like this in a seminar of 30 students? Total fantasy 😆🤣

Yes that’s right I’m basing my entire perception on one child.

Not in any way that I’m considering the wide spectrum of children with disabilities and those who may benefit from extra time but don’t have diagnosed disability. Particularly children at the lower of the iq scale who read and write more slowly, struggle with handwriting etc; those with undiagnosed neurological or attention disorders that school or home has not identified; those suffering from undiagnosed mental illness such as as anxiety and trauma etc.

You know what, I want better than 'survival' for DS at school. Jesus wept, your bar is low.

Not all children do even with all the possible SEP that can be provided in that environment.

It requires an evidenced application.

I don’t think I know about every child’s needs however this kind of scenario is rare. Having ann ehcp( which is hard to get) with an 121 cited( anlso hard to get) annd it anll goes away if a class is smaller. Less children doesn’t make a class less stressful for autism by default. Also clearly there is ample provision in the state sector with no need for private provision. Any provision should be helping your son to cope and move forward without reliance on their 121. They will need tos how progress. It’s in his best interest as he will need to navigate busy places as an adult and at uni. EHCPs end at uni and there won’t be 121 provision or small classes there.

State schools coped with 30,000 Ukrainian kids overnight. I am sure they can cope with 3000 private school kids.

That’s a defeatist attitude. The aim is exactly the opposite and good Sen provision and good primary schools are doing it all the time. Some may take longer or need attempts at several different methods and adjustments but most do get there and LEAs will expect a lot of work to have been put into trying.

Schools received direct termly funding into their accounts for each child through the H4U scheme. Different amounts for each LA. It was quite a significant amount in my LA. What I havnt seen is the direct impact of VAT. Will there be additional grants now?

He's still very young. No doubt he will learn coping mechanisms as he gets older. The EHCP includes provision for teaching him independence skills to assist with this (via the OT it says he needs).

Happy?!

It’s actually just under 10,000.

Of course it requires evidence. That isn’t the same as requiring a diagnosed disability.

No, it isn’t a defeatist attitude. You just lack understanding of how some DC’s SEN present and the SEP they require. A good school and good SEP cannot overcome the support/environment/placement some require. LAs can ‘expect’ whatever they want, it doesn’t change the law or the fact parents can appeal to SENDIST and thus the LA isn’t the one making the ultimate decision.

clearly there is ample provision in the state sector with no need for private provision.

This clearly isn’t the case. Otherwise appeals for EOTAS/EOTIS or a wholly independent placement would not succeed and many of them do.

Because that poster referenced blindness and use of braille in particular which is a different issue from general learning disabilities. Is it very likely that anyone wouldn’t know you can have both?

Yes, thank you, I appreciate that as I write EHCP's as part of my job, plus being a governor for a mainstream school with additionally resourced provision. But im sure many will find your explanation helpful, thank you 😊

I have never said it required a diagnosed disability, The point is that if issue is not identified or diagnosed and the parents/teachers are not aware of it, no-one will make the application…

Yup it is. It just got boring being goaded.

From the objective evidence of the thread you were the one doing the goading.

Yes, I know she referenced braille papers.

My point was a candidate requiring braille papers would be classed as having SEN (as in they would meet the legal definition of having SEN). Some with a physical disability would meet the legal definition of having SEN because of their physical disability. By posting ‘in the context of SEN not physical disabilities’ made it sound like you didn’t know this.

My point wasn’t about having a learning disability as well as a VI.

In two posts you have suggested that.

who may benefit from extra time but don’t have diagnosed disabilities.