AIBU in thinking this could spread rapidly to other schools? Parents have to come into school to change NT DCs if they soil themselves.

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https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/schools-tell-parents-if-your-34349942

It's been a long time coming but I can see it will spread now there are fewer TAs.

As long as SEN needs are taken into account I think it's a good idea.

Well if the class teacher is changing nappies/cleaning up children who have soiled themselves, the rest of the class are not being educated.

That seems to be most likely. I say make them go into school to clean up their child and see how fast the child ends up toilet trained.

@x2boys, what a silly comment. What has equality got to do with anything? Also, why is it discriminatory to not allow a normally developing child to go to nursery or school and unable to use the toilet? I am with the group who thinks it lazy parenting and a form of neglect that a four or five year old is still in nappies. There have always been allowances made for children with physical or developmental difficulties that can affect toilet training, for example spina bifida, but every other child should have been out of daytime nappies years before they start school. Sometimes the older methods are better as in tried and trusted and for those neglectful parents who abdicate their responsibilities when it comes to toilet training their children, rules such as these that inconvenience parents may make them think again.

A child friendly toilet seat with a step and handles is the way to go. I hated potties

I assume you'll persist though? I mean, it's part of parenting. If it makes you want to vomit, think how much more it will make a school teacher want to. I'd just not teach that age group or leave the profession in their place.

Err because the equality act makes it unlawful for schools to not allow children who are in nappies not to attend school ,so quite a lot I imagine.

I agree totally.

@x2boys, you keep banging on about the equality act. There is an old saying that the law is an ass. This is one of those times when it is patently so. You obviously have two sons. Did you let them start school in nappies, or is it all theoretical as long as you are not the one trying not to retch as they are having to change other people's children's disgusting nappies?

Teachers are there to teach, not clean up poo.

The odd accident in Reception age children is understandable, but they should not be in nappies (unless they have significant medical issues)

So the responsibility falls on the school and system, instead of the parents who cba? Doesn't seem very fair on the school staff and children missing education because their teacher is changing a child.

Well that's the law so what you personally feel about it is largely irrelevant.

This again? This issue gets the tabloids frothing every five years or so.

2018

2013

Seriously, everyone was complaining about this when I did my teacher training in 2002/2003!

I think the parents who CBA are very very rare.

The law is rubbish then and needs to protect everyone. The staff and the children.

Local school has a care worker on staff who is able.to provide this support, but that's because the funding came to the school with other student need. I don't see why it's not reasonable to support children all round, staff don't all have to teach.

I do think those children who can be toilet trained by that age should be. I don't believe it should be if a child has a once in a blue moon accident however.

We are told to send in spares for DS1 in P1 (Scotland doesn't have reception) he's only needed to change when covered in mud!

DS2 goes to private nursery with lots of changes he is potty trained but he's also not 3 yet and some days he can have accidents (especially when tired) I would worry about school nurseries doing this!

I agree the absorbency of disposables has contributed to the delay though.

I was called a middle class hippy for using re-usables with both my kids....reality was I hated the smell of disposable nappies!

We've all seen parents of 3.5yos who are still waiting for them to "be ready".

I completely agree there are many children with additional needs that aren't trained and need support.

The other option is funding schools properly to deal with it.

Just because you don't agree with it doesn't mean it's rubbish.

It is now but it didn't use to be.

I had to do this when DS started preschool. Even though they took children from 2 years 9 months and he has special needs they wouldn't change him.

I got him into a nursery for the following September which had a good reputation with special needs. I also got him toilet trained over summer. He had been using the potty. But because he never couldn't tell them and there was a safety gate stopping him getting to the toilet I had to put him in a nappy. But he was properly toilet trained by about 3 years 9 months.

DD though was a different story. She is nearly 3 years younger than DS so it wasn't a case of lazy parenting.

She went to the same nursery as DS.They had no issue changing her. She went to a SEN school so they had no issue changing her either. She just wasn't interested I thought she would never be out of nappies. But at 8 we eventually got her toilet trained.

It's easier to deal with wet nappies than deal with a resistant 4 year old? Who is the parent here?

In my experience with school, a child who pooped themselves in the early years of school would never have been let to forget it through their primary school days. It doesn't do the child any favours.

Apologies if this has been mentioned but as a TA my biggest concern with dealing with accidents is that it means leaving a potentially violent/flight risk child unattended. I don’t enjoy soiled pants but my job is caring for children and I don’t so much mind that being part of it - I do mind it if it means a classroom gets trashed or another child gets hurt because I’m in the toilets for 5 minutes.

No, ‘we’ haven’t. You apparently have or you think you have.

I decided - largely because of MN tbh - my nearly three year old WAS ready because he was , because apparently his age dictated this. I put us through months of stress and misery. Finally clicked aged three years and nine months.

With my second I’ll absolutely wait until she’s ready.