Page 7 | to be annoyed at so much racism re “the boat people”

NavyOrca · 2024-12-19T01:11:45+00:00

A large hotel local-ish to us (around 10 miles away) is currently closed for bookings as it is being occupied by just under 400 asylum seekers. Recently, in our village and a couple of neighbouring ones, there has been a spate of parcels being stolen from doorsteps. I’m sure you can all work out who has taken the blame for this….! Even though one of the perpetrators is known to be a local lad, born and bred in our village, some people are still blaming others.. The comments on Facebook community groups are disgusting. Since when has it been acceptable to so readily stick the blame upon those literally fleeing their countries? I honestly feel that as a human race, we are devolving.

kateluvscats · 19/12/2024 09:14

Buttonmoon45 · 19/12/2024 06:31

Exactly, France isn’t a war torn country.

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Neither is Albania

Jayne35 · 19/12/2024 09:16

RestYeMerryGentlewomen · 19/12/2024 08:42

My family were immigrants from the commonwealth and arrived with documents. We have two hotels with asylum seekers about 20 mins from my house. There have been women and underage girls harassed and fights. I’m getting quite peeved with people commenting that don’t live with it.

I know someone directly affected by an incident.

She was round yesterday, sat at my table not a racist bone in her body but she is right there are major differences between immigrants.

The problem is too many bleeding heart white people feel guilty because of colonialism, they need to stop it quite frankly before they destroy their own country.

They are either economic migrants so have no automatic right to be here or they are fleeing war and if they are traumatised well you know how trauma can play out. Not everyone who experiences trauma sits and cries for some it plays out in violence.

I have close family in an area near one of those Hotels, there have been quite a few assaults on young girls of varying degrees, it's quite frightening how girls appear to be treated at like pieces of meat.

izimbra · 19/12/2024 09:18

My husband belongs to a group - British West Indian, working class - which is significantly over represented in the crime statistics in the UK.

Would you all look at him and assume there's a good likelihood of him nicking your amazon parcels and raping your daughter?

If not - why?

KnittedCardi · 19/12/2024 09:20

Vietnamese are now the largest arrivals for boat crossings. No war, no issues, popular tourist destination. Often trafficked on the promise of gainful enjoyment, paid for by their families. Just return them, not our problem.

Like Albanians before them, they have no right to Asylum. There are over 1000 Albanians in our overcrowded prisons, return them.

It's our system that is failing. I would take every woman from Afghanistan over these young men.

Caddycat · 19/12/2024 09:20

DingDongVerilyOnHigh · 19/12/2024 01:23

And!

Why is the underprivileged young man that lives near you and less deserving than the underprivileged young man that came from 2,000 miles away?

Why?

Well the state will have spent tens of thousands of pounds to provide him with free education, free healthcare and child benefit, so no, he is not "more deserving" if after all that public money has been spent on him he goes and steal others' amazon parcels...

phillymeans · 19/12/2024 09:21

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kirbykirby · 19/12/2024 09:21

AgnesX · 19/12/2024 07:53

Perhaps the unlocal man isn't escaping a warzone and conscription, escaping tribal warfare. Maybe they're gay.

The unlocal man has probably had more opportunities and not taken them. Let's be honest every neighborhood has it's neds and it's low lives.

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The unlocal man is probably working class, and mumsnet absolutely hates them and doesn't give a shit about working class, homeless men sleeping in tents and dying due to hypothermia. Apparently some lives are more important than others.

Namechangey23 · 19/12/2024 09:24

RestYeMerryGentlewomen · 19/12/2024 08:42

My family were immigrants from the commonwealth and arrived with documents. We have two hotels with asylum seekers about 20 mins from my house. There have been women and underage girls harassed and fights. I’m getting quite peeved with people commenting that don’t live with it.

I know someone directly affected by an incident.

She was round yesterday, sat at my table not a racist bone in her body but she is right there are major differences between immigrants.

The problem is too many bleeding heart white people feel guilty because of colonialism, they need to stop it quite frankly before they destroy their own country.

They are either economic migrants so have no automatic right to be here or they are fleeing war and if they are traumatised well you know how trauma can play out. Not everyone who experiences trauma sits and cries for some it plays out in violence.

Do agree but again....the government...where are the policies to deal with these peoples very human issues. They are just trapped in limbo for ages during however long it takes to process them, locked up with no meaningful life, job etc. what would you do if you just trudged to get handouts and had no access to outside etc, no real purpose? I'd probably go insane to be honest. it's not going to be what they were promised by the traffickers and probably spent life savings on is it? It's not hard to imagine many won't share our values too because many will have been brought up differently. It's not racist to realize this. Many may have witnessed horrible things, if nothing else the drowning of people they came across with! Of course that will affect them pyscologically, there are no measures to deal with this as far as I am aware so what will happen? It makes me laugh that many people genuinely voted for Brexit because they thought that would 'cure' illegal immigration. I think they've been well and truly proved wrong now but few will admit they were wrong....

argyllherewecome · 19/12/2024 09:27

Jayne35 · 19/12/2024 09:16

I have close family in an area near one of those Hotels, there have been quite a few assaults on young girls of varying degrees, it's quite frightening how girls appear to be treated at like pieces of meat.

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You might want to look at overall UK statistics, the white/local perpetrators who assault females don't seem to have a great view on women either.

Caddycat · 19/12/2024 09:29

Rubytuesday77 · 19/12/2024 02:18

You actually think it’s racist to object to hundreds of young men plonked in hotels often in areas right near to a school? many of whom haven’t even come from a war torn country. Meanwhile our own homeless ignored and refused the privilege of a warm bed for the night.

Evidence that many of them "havent come from war torn countries"? The Refugee council statistics show that 52% are granted asylum, and 48% of the refusals are overturned on appeal. So roughly 3/4 have a valid claim for asylum.
As for "our own" homeless, they are not "refused" a privilege... the situation is a lot more complex than give our homeless a warm bed. Of course people know that, but it's more convenient than addressing the real issue.

Babadookinthewardrobe · 19/12/2024 09:31

TankFlyBossW4lk · 19/12/2024 06:44

@DingDongVerilyOnHigh
This is just misandrist rubbish

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Do you live under a rock or are
you just deliberately blinkered?

GeneralPeter · 19/12/2024 09:32

The underlying challenge here is that the profile of people claiming asylum is very similar to the profile of people who are massively over-represented in violent crime stats in the few countries that publish this data (by age, sex, national origin).

That's true also for asylum seekers with rock-solid, worthy claims fleeing real persecution. (People who have a primarily deprivation-based explanation for crime should reflect on what their explanation would predict of a large group of highly deprived people).

Those of us (like me) who support asylum and want public acceptance for it need to be honest about this fact and work on ways to mitigate this risk and reassure the public.

Obscuring the data and calling doubters racist ain't it.

Babadookinthewardrobe · 19/12/2024 09:33

argyllherewecome · 19/12/2024 09:27

You might want to look at overall UK statistics, the white/local perpetrators who assault females don't seem to have a great view on women either.

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Super! Let’s not worry about women’s safety because we have to deal with home
grown as well as imported rank behaviour. Lucky lucky us.

Caddycat · 19/12/2024 09:34

JeremiahBullfrog · 19/12/2024 09:04

There should be a fair agreement with the EU to take a fair proportion of genuine asylum seekers. This would be miles better than accepting people making illegal crossings from France, even if it means more refugees coming here than at present.

Yes, not speaking the local language so we'll or not knowing anybody is difficult. But these are not the problems the asylum system is set up to solve. They pale into insignificance next to the problems of living in a war zone or being persecuted by the state. People can learn to speak a language; they can be helped to make friends. France is actually quite a nice place to live, which is why so many asylum seekers stay there.

People on small boats exhibit a tendency toward criminality and irresponsible behaviours and are disproportionately likely to be younger males. Many of them will have had their asylum claims rejected elsewhere, suggesting they are not genuine. Allowing these sorts of people to make up a significant proportion of refugees is not good for society and discriminates against others (women, children, the elderly) who might benefit more from being in the UK but are unable to make the trip.

There WAS an agreement with the EU. We decided to scrap that when we left...

argyllherewecome · 19/12/2024 09:35

Babadookinthewardrobe · 19/12/2024 09:33

Super! Let’s not worry about women’s safety because we have to deal with home
grown as well as imported rank behaviour. Lucky lucky us.

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I'm not saying we shouldn't be concerned about women's safety . That poster, based on them being forrin said it's frightening how women are viewed as pieces of meat, due to several assaults being reported. I'm merely saying that most perpetrators feel this way, not just the brown ones.

AsARat · 19/12/2024 09:40

KnittedCardi · 19/12/2024 09:20

Vietnamese are now the largest arrivals for boat crossings. No war, no issues, popular tourist destination. Often trafficked on the promise of gainful enjoyment, paid for by their families. Just return them, not our problem.

Like Albanians before them, they have no right to Asylum. There are over 1000 Albanians in our overcrowded prisons, return them.

It's our system that is failing. I would take every woman from Afghanistan over these young men.

I believe Albanians can be sent straight back if they come illegally. The country was being drained of its young men .

Yalta · 19/12/2024 09:41

Caddycat · 19/12/2024 09:20

Well the state will have spent tens of thousands of pounds to provide him with free education, free healthcare and child benefit, so no, he is not "more deserving" if after all that public money has been spent on him he goes and steal others' amazon parcels...

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What if you are homeless through no fault of your own and need the state help and haven’t done anything wrong

What then? Are you expected to receive no help because you were born in the UK

Caddycat · 19/12/2024 09:42

The matter of the fact is, there is no legal route to claim asylum in the UK without coming here illegally in the first place.

Why don't they want to stay in France? Family, knowledge of the language, fact that there is little proof needed to do anything in the UK compared to bureaucratic France, which means you can just turn up at your GP surgery and enroll for example, easily obtain a phone or open a bank account (I did all of this within a few days or getting to the UK as an exchange student with next to no documents backing my status) Trust me, if it were for benefits, they'd stay in France. Where would you go? surely somewhere where English is spoken? Same for them.

Caddycat · 19/12/2024 09:46

Yalta · 19/12/2024 09:41

What if you are homeless through no fault of your own and need the state help and haven’t done anything wrong

What then? Are you expected to receive no help because you were born in the UK

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Of course not, but there is help, especially for families. The situation is different if, like the asylum seekers, we are talking about single males who often prefer the street to shelters were rules are strict on substance abuse. I'm not saying there isn't need in the UK, I'm saying we are comparing 2 diferent issues. The situation of someone being homeless in the UK is nothing like the situation of an asylum seekers. The comparison is only used by those trying really hard to show it isn't about race.

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Yalta · 19/12/2024 09:52

I work in a multicultural area. One guy was boasting about how young he looked and how he posed as a child immigrant just to get to the uk

He said he was 14 and traumatised from his experiences. He was actually 18 and from France
He was laughing at what the other guys had to do to stay in the uk
No paying child support for him

argyllherewecome · 19/12/2024 09:53

Caddycat · 19/12/2024 09:46

Of course not, but there is help, especially for families. The situation is different if, like the asylum seekers, we are talking about single males who often prefer the street to shelters were rules are strict on substance abuse. I'm not saying there isn't need in the UK, I'm saying we are comparing 2 diferent issues. The situation of someone being homeless in the UK is nothing like the situation of an asylum seekers. The comparison is only used by those trying really hard to show it isn't about race.

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Yes the two issues aren't comparable. State help is available for those with statutory homeless status. There are hundreds of thousands in the UK who are in emergency/temporary accommodation. Rough sleepers on the street aren't all homeless, the issue is usually addiction related and is very complex. It's got nothing to do with 'off the boaters' being given preferential treatment.

PurpleChrayn · 19/12/2024 09:53

I think people are just getting sick of it, to be honest.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 19/12/2024 09:55

PurpleChrayn · 19/12/2024 09:53

I think people are just getting sick of it, to be honest.

I think uneducated and racist people are just getting sick of it, to be honest

There you go I fixed one for you too.

GeneralPeter · 19/12/2024 09:58

argyllherewecome · 19/12/2024 09:09

My community facebook is mortifying. Anything and everything now, ranging from dog's dirt on the pavement to loose wires in an electric box "must be the illegals". This of course means anyone who is not white, and dontcha know they are getting £500 a week and driving brand new sports cars whilst our own are eating from the foodbank! The frothing that goes on makes me ashamed. There's a group that protests outside one of the hotels weekly to "save our women/children". I'm not exactly sure from what, as there have been no reported issues, but they are brown and from 'another culture' so of course they must all be rapists coming here with the intention of committing sex crimes.
I really had to laugh at one poster who claimed that the brown rough sleepers get handed out brand new sleeping bags/tents and 'our own' get ripped second hand ones.

Similarly, Spanish towns who regard Brits as loutish thugs. Who is to blame? I'd say the actual British loutish thugs share a large part of the blame, though they are surely a small minority of all Brits.

Our inability to apply this insight to the immigration debate without name-calling is a tragedy. Why? Because what is lost is not a lovely holiday spot, but public support and trust for a system (asylum) that exists to save people from the worst atrocities of humankind.