To be worried about what the Labour government will do next?

[Scenicgirl]

Let's be honest, Labour has been a massive disappointment for this country, pissing off the pensioners with taking away the WFA, the farmers, NI changes which impact employers, immigration etc and today refusing compensation to the WASPI women after they ridiculed the Conservatives when they didn't commit to a solution. Don't we deserve better than this constant shit show of lies and deceptions which were clearly spouted out purely to gain power?
For the 1st time in my life, I worry about where we are heading.

As pp said just scroll on by or hide the thread

There's plenty of criticism everywhere else re Labour and Starmer so people who can't see any of that must be filtering a lot

I don't see why mn has to be the last pro Labour only site

We do, this Labour party most certainly puts party and ideology above country. They also put men above women in priority.

Stop sending it abroad for a start. Stop paying unnecessary civil servants ridiculous wages. Stop spending billions on housing illegal immigrants in hotels. Reform the benefits system so that long term unemployed people who do not have a disability can't continue to take take take with no contribution.
That would save billions and billions. It's really not that hard to see where our taxes are grossly mismanaged.

He has managed to achieve what you might think was impossible - made things even worse

All this. This is what I think every time I hear RR bleating on about having to account for every penny of taxpayers’ money

It's a disgrace. Compensating WASPI women wouldn't "be the best use of taxpayers' money." Yet funding a war in Ukraine is? Removing the winter fuel allowance from pensioners who have paid tax their whole lives, yet we have the insane hotel situation. It is evidence that not only do Labour consistently put British last they also attack the most vulnerable in our society.

Self confessed? It’s not a crime! And social democrats aren’t socialists. Not that there’s anything wrong with being a socialist either.

Debt levels had improved hugely before covid due to the "austerity" policies of George Osbourne in part.

Really?

You’re decades behind the times where benefits are concerned.

Why do we spend billions on hotels for migrants? Because it takes so
long to assess cases. That’s a government failing going back years. See also temporary accommodation for homeless families.

As has been said, civil servants aren’t generally paid huge salaries. 0.5% are paid more than £100k; hardly a burning problem.

Yes, self confessed. I never said it was crime.

SELF-CONFESSED definition and meaning | Collins English Dictionary

No, but ultimately they have the same goal, it is just how they intend to get there is slightly different.

There is nothing wrong with being a socialist if you aren't on the receiving end of it. Doesn't exactly have a good track record.

You have such short memories...

By transactions it can be a tax on delivery of goods and not services. It won’t impact London but will impact Amazon and Shein and all that type.

Not sure why there's reliance on old data re debt when we have current info

October 2024 for example

•	Central government debt interest payable was £9.1 billion in October 2024, £0.5 billion more than in October 2023 and the highest October figure since monthly records began in January 1997.
•	Public sector net debt excluding public sector banks was provisionally estimated at 97.5% of gross domestic product (GDP) at the end of October 2024; this was 1.6 percentage points more than at the end of October 2023, and remains at levels last seen in the early 1960s.

I hear this a lot, FA is often used to enhance exports, educate women/children, provide better facilities so people don't leave their own countries and come to Europe and then to the UK....

Where would you house Migrants? Labour are now deporting more then ever before but many cannot be sent back...

What jobs can long term unemployed do? who would employ them? the LT unemployed number approx 350k, most of whom have other issues, have no skills or work ethic.

Yet you think business would employ them.....

Numbers of hi paid CS are v small, saving very little.

So called easy solutions, rarely are.

You’re decades behind the times where benefits are concerned.
Care to elaborate? You can't just make an accusation like this without explaining why you think you are right.

Why do we spend billions on hotels for migrants? Because it takes so
long to assess cases. That’s a government failing going back years. See also temporary accommodation for homeless families.
The failings goes back much further. We shouldn't have to assess anything anyway, these people have entered ILLEGALLY. That is not the same as genuine asylum seekers who have fled war and come by legal avenues.

Burning problem or no... it is still an area that money could be clawed back and put to better use.

Thanks for the definition.

Universal credit commitments, with sanctions if they’re not adhered to.

Gosh you really don’t understand how migration works do you?

Anf what will you do with the couple of hundred k you save a year on the salaries of senior civil servants? Apart from hiring new ones because the government relies on their expertise.

In relation to FA, why should any of that be our responsibility when we evidently have our own problems. In relation to Ukraine, that money is doing no such thing. It is prolonging the war and causing thousands more deaths every month.

Considering we aren't given figures on who genuinely needs asylum it's hard to say. 'many cannot be sent back..' How many is many? I certainly don't think people who have come here illegally should be housed anywhere, particularly when they have passed through safe countries to get here! I am most definitely horrified at the cost, imagine that money going into schools, our NHS, infrastructure.

What other issues do the LT unemployed have? Where are you figures? I specifically said those without disabilities should work. Having 'no skills or work ethic' is not a disability and no excuse. I don't suppose many of these people would be considered employable, the government should have them doing community service tasks such as litter picking to receive their benefits.

There are still too many unnecessary CS, savings where we can...

I think there’s some alternative reality going on where the Tories were fiscally prudent while Labour throws billions at civil servants and dances on the grave on the non compensated Waspi women.
Incidentally I read a Polly Toynbee article today which pointed out that beneficiaries of any Waspi compensation would have included the likes of Theresa May. Such a good idea to pay thousands to an entire group of women regardless of whether they lost out or not. Typical of feckless, profligate Labour… oh wait.

You're welcome.

We can add foreign aid and the complexities of socio economic deprivation to the list of things you can’t get your head round.

Nope current figures and beyond to 2029/30.

Funny how you "randomly" pick October but not November!!! where debt is far lower than Nov 23... in fact a 3 year low...

Its always best to look at debt over time, rather than a point that suits your narrative.... which is its gone from 65% in 2010 to almost 100% now, or 97.5% if we use your figures... hardly stella, it was 85% pre covid...

thats mismanagement.

I think there’s some alternative reality going on where the Tories were fiscally prudent while Labour throws billions at civil servants and dances on the grave on the non compensated Waspi women.

I think it's more the alternative reality of decades old data when borrowing under this Labour gov started off high, with the budget

Tax plus borrowing at £70bn

For the pp complaining re October figures blame Google and ONS

On googling public debt this came up as top response

Public sector net debt as a % of GDP
Following updates to our estimate of gross domestic product (GDP), net debt at the end of September 2024 reduced by 1.4 percentage points to 97.1%; subsequently it has increased to 97.5% of GDP at the end of October 2024.21 Nov 2024

www.ons.gov.uk
Public sector finances, UK: October 2024 - Office for National Statistics