To be worried about what the Labour government will do next?

[Scenicgirl]

Let's be honest, Labour has been a massive disappointment for this country, pissing off the pensioners with taking away the WFA, the farmers, NI changes which impact employers, immigration etc and today refusing compensation to the WASPI women after they ridiculed the Conservatives when they didn't commit to a solution. Don't we deserve better than this constant shit show of lies and deceptions which were clearly spouted out purely to gain power?
For the 1st time in my life, I worry about where we are heading.

Love this🤩 exactly how i feel 😅

Starmer only had the balls not to pay the WASPI women AFTER the event, ie; after he shamed the Tories for not helping them and pledged to help them if his party got voted in. He blatantly lied and won votes because of it. He doesn't have the balls to even say sorry now, siting the Tories to blame because of the 22 b black hole.......... I'm so sick of that statement, his advisors need to write him a new script.

What would you say about Johnson? Truss? Kwarteng? Sunak? What are their credentials over those of Reeves?

I know that Sunak graduated with a first-class degree (Oxford PPE) - Rachel Reeves graduated with a 2:1. Sunak also has a masters from Stanford University on a Fulbright scholarship.

So, similar then.

We need all the voices from everywhere for proper representation.

And not paying WASPI women was duplicitous, having said they would, but it would have been a flawed decision, frankly. We were the generation who worked towards greater sexual equality -- with real results, even if the goal is still not fully achieved.

You were not THE generation who worked towards greater sexual equality. That's been a quest of many generations.

Runninginthenight
Can we afford to pay the WASPI women what they want? No of course not. it would be daft to pretend otherwise.
I live in Scotland...

Scottish Labour leader Anas Sawar says the prime minister was wrong not to compensate [the WASPI] women...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpq9vr8x077o

A first-class degree is obviously better than a 2:1 in the same subject and Sunak won a prestigious scholarship for his masters degree.

Difference between a First and 2:1 could be splitting hairs. A masters in Economics from LSE is pretty top drawer too. They are both academically high calibre. Not sure what your point is really.

Let’s have some facts on the numbers coming over in small boats and the comparison to those leaving, and proof that we are a soft touch compared to other European countries

Anas is indeed a spineless politician who needs to grow up and start making the right calls, not just the calls what will make him look like a nice guy. To me it makes him look childish and weak.

proof that we are a soft touch compared to other European countries

If you look at policies we are a 'softer touch', grant rates, accommodation. The journey is perilous though which is a barrier of sorts.

Starmer's issue with his approach is it is less likely to lower crossings. You can remove a profiteering gang member, send out a press release about removing a 'big piece of the puzzle' but over the next month numbers will be up as someone else can clearly step into that role.

Enforced returns are expensive but also won't deter. Unless a whole country eg Albania changes status

He has next summer as more of a test for the approach

This.

14 years of mess has to be paid for. The money has to come from somewhere to fix this mess. Tough choices or head in the sand

We don’t because they no longer exist. There’s been a cultural shift and people of the quality of those late 20th/early 21st century politicians no longer exist. Even if they did the majority of the electorate doesn’t want them, they’d rather have populists. Look at the US.

If you could show an example of the policies in just one European country, that is harsher than uk?

some facts to show the myths you chat about, aren’t actually myths

https://www.refugeecouncil.org.uk/latest/news/741_new_research_explodes_myth_of_uk_as_a_soft_touch_destination_of_choice_for_asylum_seekers/

We were the generation that achieved success. All the major improvements in women’s rights were achieved by second wave feminists - equal pay, maternity rights, availability of childcare, right to financial independence. The 1970s and 80s saw huge changes for women and it certainly wasn’t thanks to our mothers’ generation. Feminism was asleep for 50 years once we got the vote.

If you look up some of the other grant rates you’ll see some are much lower in the EU

Here’s Spain

Spain granted asylum to 12% of applicants last year, the lowest rate among EU countries, putting the country 30 points below the EU average

https://www.euractiv.com/section/politics/news/spain-lags-behind-rest-of-eu-in-granting-asylum-says-ngo/

Other tougher policies include Italy reducing crossings by 60% through maritime law changes and push backs at country of origin. If you read up you’ll see the response to that

Yes, look at todays announcement on pot holes, 50% increase on last years amount... UK roads are a total disgrace.

No NHS dentistry in large parts of the UK, 7.6m on waiting lists, millions on sick and disability benefits....

Look at how the Tories ran the water industry? the costs, already paid for by us, now have to be paid again...

All this will billions to put right & we'd have a lot more if govt borrowing costs weren't so high.... any clues as to why they went from 1.8% to 5% ?

Better news is consumer spending up and Govt borrowing well down too.

I agree. All this needs putting right. People will moan if it isn't but moan when money has to be found.

The country is in a total mess. Every area, health, waiting lists , education, dentistry, pot holes, social care, housing, infrastructure, mental health provision, backlogs for asylum claims etc etc etc

We went out with friends of ours yesterday, he is a CEO of a company employing 150 people, asked about the NI changes, he said yes it'll mean a % off pay rises but he also said employees had a cut in NI and his costs are going up all the time, its just another one they have to deal with but he also said Brexit has caused his company huge issues and costs, totally avoidable.

He went on to say that money has to be found from somewhere and echoed your comments, the country is a mess, he has key staff off sick unable to get NHS treatment & cannot get skilled UK staff.

People opposed to the NI rises, don't say how they would pay for the huge costs the new govt faces...... the NI employee cut is costing the Govt £50 billion over the course of the Parliament... all unfunded by Hunt.

Tory borrowing was out of control. It’s just been announced that this November’s borrowing has been the lowest in 3 years.

The Tories have been so so shit the past 14 years on managing everything- because party politics and appeasing donors and backbenchers will
always be their priority.

At last we have a government that just gets on with the job and puts country first.

Yes agreed the country is in a financial mess. But I'm not sure Labour are going about trying to solve it in a coherent way bearing in mind some groups are clearly in favour and some are not.

For example, no payments to the WASPI women despite promising to make payments for this "huge injustice"(K Starmer) contrasted with a 32% increase in pension payments for ex mine workers.

How can we afford that if we have a £22billion black hole?

How come we apparently can afford huge above inflation pay rises for public sector workers that are already very well paid, but the winter fuel payments for pensioners near the poverty line are cut as we can't afford them.

It's all very odd. I expect there will be some convoluted explanation or justification given but few will believe it.

At last we have a government that just gets on with the job and puts country first.

I'd say that depends on what the policies continue to do to the private sector

It's what funds the public one after all

You are wrong.
See the IFS report on public sector pay, headline finding:

Overall, between December 2019 and November 2023, inflation-adjusted average private sector pay grew by 2.3%, whereas public sector pay fell by 0.3%.

https://ifs.org.uk/publications/recent-trends-public-sector-pay

Well the Tory policy of out of control borrowing isn’t going to help any sector and sadly nobody within the party was/ is capable of sorting it out along with immigration, the decimation of the nhs, education, social care, roads, environment, Brexit, mis management of Covid, contracts for mates…..which they brought about. They all ran for the hills as they all knew they were incapable of the job that labour are now having to do. All mouth and no trousers. That was what their entire government was about and what they’re about now.

We see them, we lived under them for 14 years, we know what a Tory government brings….patience and resilience is what is needed with this new government. You can’t polish a turd and labour have a massive turd to sort out. It isn’t going to be pretty. Normally the rich and privileged go untouched, now they’re not. So a minority will squeak. C’est la vie.🤷‍♀️