To be worried about what the Labour government will do next?

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Let's be honest, Labour has been a massive disappointment for this country, pissing off the pensioners with taking away the WFA, the farmers, NI changes which impact employers, immigration etc and today refusing compensation to the WASPI women after they ridiculed the Conservatives when they didn't commit to a solution. Don't we deserve better than this constant shit show of lies and deceptions which were clearly spouted out purely to gain power?
For the 1st time in my life, I worry about where we are heading.

I loved the hyperbole in your post. Really good.

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I think she is being set up to be the scape goat for sure.

Wrap all the unpopular stuff up in a nice package, hang it on her then get rid of her.

Then Starmer appears out of the ensuing mess relatively unscathed. I'd give it a few more months yet, but she won't make it to the next election IMO.

Orwell thought that the problem with Revolution is what come afterwards. With Animal Farm he was thinking specifically of Russia and Stalin. The chief pig becomes just another type of cruel dictator like the farmer. So the animals end up no better off having overthrown the cruel farmer. Possibly worse.

Yes it was brave of Orwell to write about Russia as the Soviet Union had a lot of support from the left in those days. A group including George Bernard Shawwent to visit in 1931 and were shown a sanitised and positive view of the country which they naively believed - or wanted to believe, I suppose.

That's not sarcasm. It's gaucheness. Are you a Daily Mail reader by any chance?

Yes she's only got a PPE degree from Oxford and an MSc from the LSE. Clue the E stands for Economics in both of the former. Who knew!

Jeremy Hunt had the same Oxford degree but no masters. His stand out contribution in Government was to fuck over the junior doctors.

I know who I would rather have.

Nope thats just lazy thinking... done by Tory supporters to distract from the last 14 years.

What the Tories did, has had a huge impact on what Labour can do.

I'd have thought that was more than obvious.... plus none of these failings bothered you before, why now?

It just went over your head.

All of things the pp listed actually happened, no hyperbole.

People don't seem to realise that you can't just discount the messes of the last fourteen years because that is what the new government has inherited and of course that dictates to a great extent the changes they are able to make.

I think you are right on saying politicians and some lying are never too far appart.
The net value of their policies to us, the citizens and workers, is what I care about. The previous governments had a mahoosive negative net value to me and the people around me and was just getting worst and worst by the day. These guys are saying and doing what has a positive value to me and the people around me. I am giving it time to count my net takings from their policies. What they say and do resonates with me. I am working class, average wage, with family waiting for surgery to regain mobility, we had to drive to half the local pharmacies to get a prescription, a child who had several options taken down from her school (after she had chosen them, just two months prior) and the house was proper freezing during the winter of doom here.
I still consider myself lucky. We were and are not hungry and we have a small mortgage, so we are making it at the end of the month. But my heart breaks for those with lower wages, childcare costs, big mortgages, dependants or unforseen big costs.
Anyone remembers 2008-2009? The empty streets, empty restaurants- the ones that were packed just before the crisis- all the closed shops? We will slowly get back to that if we do not give money to the customer so they can spend it, and they are healthy and warm enough to want to buy something.
Tough, but neccessary. And the business that complain so much about it are the ones that actually have the first row to see it. They know it very very well.

Even Labour know they need growth to deliver what they've pledged, hence the pre GE lines re growth

Their errors are coming up in data now

They seem unaware of why policies would cause lower growth, so I'm not sure they can overturn the problems

@poetryandwine It’s very difficult to know if Labour could, or would, have reacted differently in the Covid crisis. They would have needed exactly the same equipment/outcomes and they have grasping friends too. Also grasping politicians. It’s doubtful any of them would have been better at managing anything except Labour would have locked down for longer costing us even more. It’s also doubtful Labour could, or would, have prepared for a virus.

I do not agree with continual funding of the NHS without reform either. Not entirely sure what Wes has in mind, but it’s a black hole and swallows funding without improving outcomes. We call it “our” nhs now which is just code for poorly run and bloated services that serve a few well but enough. We cannot face reform in a meaningful way so no idea how much will improve. It’s a political football and has been for decades. Labour has never agreed that politics should be out of health. What’s the plan for care of the elderly? Is there one?

When last in power Labour oversaw many disastrous projects (the dreaded PFI) and allowed mortgage borrowing to an unsustainable level. It wasn’t all roses when the economy crashed. All governments find world events difficult to navigate. I actually think Brexit has been the cause of many issues. Truss is the latest one of many but Labour has not improved productivity and won’t with higher employer taxes. Confidence is low. We are not incentivized to buy electric cars, nor insulate homes nor expand business. So giving it a go with Labour will work for unions but others are fed up with funding poor management and a lack of detailed strategy will end up being a real issue. School politics won’t do.

Let's wait and see.
Same game we had to play when the other guys were in control.
It is a lot of speculation, to the negatives.
Yet, no one offers an alternative.
I think you should bet on the shorting market. All your money, as you are so sure.

Brilliant post. Ive always thought condescension is a winning formula in any debate. And I was right. You've made some great points about how successful Rachel is as Chancellor (ahem).

Interesting you think PPE is a good basis for government. Have a look at David Cameron and Liz Truss's CV for a start (I'm fairly sure they haven't lied on theirs).

The proof of the pudding is in the eating. Let's see how her student qualifications equip her to run the UK economy. In my experience, university and actually any subsequent professional qualifications in your youth have little benefit on the ground in a high level profession. I wouldnt be highlighting them if I were you as her main qualification to be Chancellor. I've always thought experience is everything (as that's why she herself bigs up her work experience rather than old degrees from years ago) and she's rather limited on that front.

"Tories were looting the country during Covid, crashing the pound, putting us into recession, bringing down the NHS, etc" Hyperbole I'm afraid which ruins what could be the makings of some decent points. But presumably the post wasn't aimed to persuade anyone.

Yes but the PP stated that this was a fake post and that NO ONE on mumsnet could possibly think Labour were bad, despite more than half of the people who voted in AIBU, agreeing with the OP?

This pp had a high degree of confidence

We are not heading towards a recession. I have searched it and it is not there.

Probably. I will be guided by you.

Yes but the PP stated that this was a fake post and that NO ONE on mumsnet could possibly think Labour were bad, despite more than half of the people who voted in AIBU, agreeing with the OP?

It's standard these days for mn Labour response but look at the public sentiment, loads think they're doing badly

I do agree with @TizerorFizz that the NHS needs a structure overhaul. Otherwise, the problem will not go away.
It is within their plan to change it, not only chuck money at it.
I do approve of extended out of hours appointments, for example. That will help to deal with the backlog indeed.

Yes, no signs of it as today.
You place your bet your way. You sound certainly certain too. That will all go to doom.
Did you have any inkling of disaster before July this year? Or only after?

But if you're only accepting work experience in the role "Economist" (and not related banking experience), Reeves' 6 years of experience is 6 more years than all Conservative chancellor (combined) since Norman Lamont held the office in the early 90s...

You place your bet your way. You sound certainly certain too.

Not as certain as you. My posts are pretty much quoting various economic indicators BoE, S&P etc

They show where we are with the contraction caused by Labour's policies

It doesn't sound like you actually read my post at all as you have jumped to many wrong conclusions. I said nothing about how successful she was as a chancellor. I was simply pointing out that she is hardly Rach from customer services and is just as well qualified as other chancellors have been.

Oxford PPE is a well trodden path to the top cabinet jobs and many senior politicians studied that. She is no different. I didn't say whether I thought it was a good or bad basis for government but it is a good grounding and she is definitely no idiot.

Cameron's arrogance and BoJo's pathological lying changed the country for the worse for a very long time. Truss and Kwarteng fucked the economy. Hardly on the same scale as anything Reeves has or hasn't done.

I am consistently amazed by the blinkers people wear.

I'm not "accepting" anything. I'm not Keir Starmer (or am I....?).

My point was that's she's lied about her work experience which seem very thin on the ground in respect of real, high level work experience which would help her in her current position. She's making massive detrimental, life-affecting decisions for millions of people and said she's got the qualifications to do this based on lies. I'd be interested to know what she told Keir S (or what he knew) before he appointed her. Aren't you worried about this? Like Labour supporters say they've been for 14 years? Why do Labour supporters trust that Rachel Reeves, a proven liar, knows what shes doing any more than anyone else? She obviously doesn't. It's the Emperors New Clothes.