To be worried about what the Labour government will do next?

[Scenicgirl]

Let's be honest, Labour has been a massive disappointment for this country, pissing off the pensioners with taking away the WFA, the farmers, NI changes which impact employers, immigration etc and today refusing compensation to the WASPI women after they ridiculed the Conservatives when they didn't commit to a solution. Don't we deserve better than this constant shit show of lies and deceptions which were clearly spouted out purely to gain power?
For the 1st time in my life, I worry about where we are heading.

So true. Far too many people feel they are entitled to something from someone else that they haven't earned themselves. That's why we are such a magnet for the World's poor.

Elsewhere on MN there's an interesting thread about freelance work in TV and films, a sector that has grown hugely and successfully in the UK for the last 15 years or so, contributing massively to UK earnings. Some 70% of TV professionals, producers and creative/technical alike, are out of work.

Because it is a big issue for people on this site. No surprise.

I think Labour are wetting themselves on it. They are looking increasingly unpopular and it's going to get even worse as they bring it in.

Plus it is more ideological than tax raising. So it doesn't actually benefit them in fiscal terms. BUT they are committed to it in their manifesto. So it is a lose lose for them in my opinion.

Ok but the NI cuts, the PO and Blood scandals, the pay rises need paying now, not in a few years time or even 12 months, the NI cut in particular is very damaging to the tax take, its going to cost the exchequer 10.3 billion per year.

This is why it was sooo irresponsible of Hunt to cut NI, he had no realistic way of paying for it.

Hence tax rises now.

Well what we need is a booming economy to pay for all those liabilities. Luckily, as Rach from customer services said in her speech, this is a Budget for Growth. And that's exactly what has happened. That's why everyone is so pleased with her.

All liabilities built up under the Tories and none funded, not one.

who is Rach from CS ?

Oh sorry. Rachel Reeves the Chancellor. She has admitted that she wasn't actually an economist but instead was in the customer relations department. I feel that should be highlighted ad nauseum bearing in mind the future of all of us in this country depends significantly on her experience and expertise.

Film and TV, plus the video games industry, were all booming under the last Government, until the pandemic. Freelancers were appallingly treated under the furlough rules, so many people have lost out on good earnings, and paid no (or much reduced) tax. The writers' strike hasn't helped, but cranking the sector back into gear is happening very slowly.

The UK was successful, thanks to the language, the people and the facilities (there are two huge new studio complexes just finished or nearing completion in the South East), much lower costs than the USA, and ready access to financial and tax expertise.

It would help if the Government talked it up more, rather than concentrating on train drivers, who will be replaced by automation. The DLR has always had driverless trains.

But over half agree?

I am actually worried more about what Labour won't do next rather than what they will do.

They won't curb spending or inflation.

They won't reduce borrowing costs.

They won't ensure services are improved to match demand, or reduce that demand.

They won't find any efficiency savings.

They won't encourage business growth.

They won't actually raise personal taxes properly rather than just use stealth tax.

They won't encourage people to privately educate their kids as they believe all that stuff should be controlled by the state.

They won't ensure that the poorest pensioners are looked after.

The list just goes on...

Whereas the ideology that we endured for 14 years was a bowl of cherries, right ?

The opening post is a crock of dogcrap

That was in just one of her banking jobs. She was an economist at the BoE.

ummmmmm obv i cannot change your mind but what did the Cons do for any of those in the last 14 years?

eg
Inflation 11% oh but that was reel out excuse after excuse...
Borrowing costs - went from 1.8% to 5% - Truss.
Almost no growth.
Government spending on benefits through the roof - 24% of the pop. on disability benefits....
Govt borrow almost doubled.

Forced people to educate privately by underfunding state education, esp SEND
Raised multiple taxes but not the headline ones.
Ruined public services - name one that has improved???
Slashed our military.

Pensioners? yes they looked after them, because they generally speaking, vote Tory.

But you now worry about Labour.... do you live under a rock or abroad?

They are not negative and defeatist. They are a highly regarded SENCO who can provide expert advice on whether a school can support a particular child. The more you post, the more you show that you have zero idea about why some parents opt out of the state system for their DC.

So basically, it's OK for Labour to be shit, because the Tories were.

I'm not interested in this sort of whataboutery.

Labour are in power. I'm interested in what they are doing now.

Yes, indeed.

Ahem.....yes I'm sure you are right. After all, in such a serious job that requires decades of experience at a high level, you wouldn't want to appoint someone that wasn't 100% truthful. And we can see that Rachel's work experience in customer services is really paying off by her skillful and steady hand on the tiller of the UK economy.

Sarcasm aside, she's out of her depth. Any reasonable non partisan person can see it and I expect she will be gone in the New Year and one of the reasons I expect Keir will use is lying about her work experience. I suspect there won't be an uproar in support of RR.

Some of us don’t vote either Tory or Labour…and the Lib Dem’s oppose VAT on school fees too. It’s not a Tory issue.

But when Labour do something similar it's like WAAAHHH SOCIALISM, because of our ridiculous right wing press

It's more about the figures from BoE, S&P and OECD etc than the press

Obviously press releases feed into articles but the BoE etc aren't 'right wing press'

That is quite a bit of speculation going on in there!
Your dreams will not come true.

I am not saying Labour is perfect or anywhere near that, but the amount of BS spouted their way by the other side is telling. Very telling of who they are.

Oh I don't know any more. And I don't care. Aren't you fed up of being gaslighted and lied to by all politicians? Its like Keir and the freebies. He broke the rules but he reckons not as much as everyone said! So he pays back a smaller amount. Ie he did break the rules then lied about it then admitted to it but seems to try and excuse himself by saying he didn't lie AS MUCH as everyone suggested and so everyone is being unreasonable mentioning it. Same with Rachel Reeves. She's again someone that lies. And then we are supposed to excuse that lie because she says actually she didnt lie AS MUCH as she's originally accused of.

The fact is they lie. Despite being "the adults in the room" and claiming they are honest they lie just as much as all politicians. And people who defend these lies or distract by a bit of whatabout the other side need to give themselves a good talking to.

I’m neither conservative or kabour

but I do wonder if George Orwell was thinking of Labour when he wrote animal farm?

I am worried about what they might do to the disabled and people unable to work, in terms of benefits. Either making the criteria more strict, or reducing the payments.
The Tories floated the idea of only getting LCWRA if you were also on PIP... which makes no sense as you can be on PIP and work.

Orwell thought that the problem with Revolution is what come afterwards. With Animal Farm he was thinking specifically of Russia and Stalin. The chief pig becomes just another type of cruel dictator like the farmer. So the animals end up no better off having overthrown the cruel farmer. Possibly worse.

People gravitate to similar opinions.

I am not a big fan of this government and I think they should have done some things differently already. But I want the country to work, so I am willing to give them a chance and I wish them well.

All the so-called ‘concern’ expressed in recent threads would be much more meaningful if these posters had expressed similar concerns while the Tories were looting the country during Covid, crashing the pound, putting us into recession, bringing down the NHS, etc. Instead, like the OP here, the people who start these threads frequently go out of their way to emphasise that they are deeply concerned for the first time. One can only assume that they spent the previous 14 years with heads in the sand.