To be worried about what the Labour government will do next?

[Scenicgirl]

Let's be honest, Labour has been a massive disappointment for this country, pissing off the pensioners with taking away the WFA, the farmers, NI changes which impact employers, immigration etc and today refusing compensation to the WASPI women after they ridiculed the Conservatives when they didn't commit to a solution. Don't we deserve better than this constant shit show of lies and deceptions which were clearly spouted out purely to gain power?
For the 1st time in my life, I worry about where we are heading.

As long as it doesn't impact on you, that is!

Ah well, happy days, you should be feeling very safe now under Labour's rule.......🙄

Immigration, 48% more asylum seeks/immigration have been sent away this year than last 2023

why is that a bad thing?

processing immigrants that arrive seeking asylum means those that can stay start working and those that get sent home don’t cost any further

I have not seen your links, but I have looked it up, as I have seen several posters, you between them, stating it we are getting into recession, but I have not read it or heard of it in the general news. I searched it and found nothing stating so.
Only a few days till the quarter finishes and we have the overall figures.
But, to be honest, I am done with all this negative speculation. Doom doom doom.
There is no real reason for a recession. People just got some money put into their pocket, so they will buy. It is the customer behaviour what drives the flipping economy.

Well that’s fine. I don’t claim to have any experience of paying for education. My children have done well in the state system. Not sure why you think constantly accusing me of being unaware of some secret reason for paying for privilege is such an insult.

Well despite a master's in Economics, negative talk has made businesses pause and now retract post-budget😂

Imagine owning a business and the first company meeting as a new chief exec telling everyone it's going to be bad. I'm sure that would motivate the company and encourage people to stay and work hard.😆

Politicians, policymakers and common sense are like clay and iron they don't mix.

Yes sorry I was being gauche again. Sarcasm regarding you not commenting at all about Rachel's ability as Chancellor which seems to me to be the relevant issue here, given the state the country is in, not the academic history of her youth.

You seemed in your previous post to be excited about the "E" in PPE and the LSE standing for "economics" and I was simply pointing out the difficulties in mainly relying on that to argue her suitability for Chancellor.

I'm never amazed by the blinkers people wear. I've been reading all your posts.

Not excited at all, just stating the very obvious, that her credentials amount to more than being Rach from customer services. I wonder if you would write that if she were a middle aged man.

And you think the state the country is in is Reeves' doing? You would have to be Truss and Kwarteng to make that kind of impact in five months.

You've been reading all my posts? What all four that I have posted on this thread? Did that take you a long time?

The posts saying the Chancellor is not an economist or qualified enough are beyond ridiculous.
So what if she had other roles within economic firms? Actually, in my personal experience, only the good enough guys start moving across departments in an organisation. I have worked with guys that they were operations, finance, logistics, then HR, then back to operations. At Director level. That is rather frequent in my line of work. But only the guys who could do it were chosen.

What were you expecting?

Do say - what choices should they have made?

Because I guarantee you - whatever choices they would have made to deal with the financial black hole left by the last government they would have been crucified by the right wing media and by voters.

BTW - compensating WASPI women would cost 10 billion. Winter fuel payment costs 1.4 billion a year. What cuts should they have made to cover this? Or who should they have targeted with tax increases?

Latest figures unfortunately show that more than half the UK people receive more benefits than they contribute in tax (52.6%). This is obviously unsustainable. The logical thing to do therefore would be for Rachel Reeves to do a Budget for Growth and boost the productive side of the economy by supporting the private sector. Things like supporting employers by reducing Employers NI, encouraging companies to base themselves here by reducing corporation tax, maintaining IHT reliefs for business and farms to be able to be passed on as on-going revenue raising concerns, streamlining the public sector by requiring improvements in efficiency before huge payrises...

I can assure everyone that this most definitely is not a fake post!
I stand by my original comments that I feel unsafe under KS rule and many other people are of the same thinking.

Starmer kicked off that doom with the painful budget press conference. That hit consumer and business confidence

The links are just showing all that in the data coming out now.

There's a fair bit of press because it's not good. That contraction is jobs lost after all.

I said closer to recession btw which is true. Too hard to call either way atm

In your opinion.
By the way, I would be interested in which charm school you attended?

Of course most people agree with you. The majority of people think he's doing badly. Most people can read opinion polls don't worry.

Chosen based on their CV presumably...

Please post a link where you are getting your "facts" from.
Thank you

I would if that middle aged man was Keir Starmer. And her credentials are insufficient for one of the most important jobs in the country. She's blowing it and she's not got a clue what to do.

Look at the economic figures. Things were looking up before July. Now things are looking down and are getting worse. SOMETHING happened in July to put the brakes on and the country into reverse.

I've been reading what you've been posting replying to my posts. Very erudite they are too.

What would you say about Johnson? Truss? Kwarteng? Sunak? What are their credentials over those of Reeves? Or are their politics just the right colour for you so it doesn't matter? Did you even notice the mess they made of things?

Things aren't now looking down and getting worse. The chickens are coming home to roost from years of incompetence. They have inherited a total mess and I think most people would struggle to know where to go with it. They are only five months in. Time with tell but they deserve a chance as the other lot were clearly worse than clueless.

I expected them not to lie through their teeth when setting out their manifesto, I expected them to put their money where their mouth is as according to KS he was going to fix all the wrongdoings of the Tories. He was our Messiah to Boris and Rishi. Turns out he didn't do his sums before he opened his big mouth because so far he's done a u-turn on all the pledges he made. If he had been honest and actually said what Labour were planning to do to the pensioners/farmers/ businesses in general, he would not have got in and he knows it.
Oh and BTW - 181billion was the figure gained when the 50's women had 6 years added to claiming their pensions, in one fell swoop, digest that figure.

Youvforgot "£22 billion black hole" and "fixing the foundations". I don't believe a word of it any more. That's the problem when you are a politician and you lie.

You are acting like politicians lying is a new thing. What about Johnson and Brexit. You seem to shy away from any questions on this. I wonder why.

I'm a swing voter and basically vote for the least worst option but holding my nose as I think they're all fucking useless. So I've got no political affiliation or skin in the game per se.

I'm actually okay with WFA (needed to be done tbh), WASPI decision (actually respect them for going ahead and making that decision knowing the press it would generate) and kind of okay with IHT changes for farmers.

But I still disagree with their current fiscal policies on a broader level. Employers NI was a shockingly shit decision given the climate we're in. They don't have clear policies on building growth yet and that's what we desperately need. VAT on school fees has been shown not to bring in much to public purse and has been rolled out badly, and I think that decision was flawed too (vanity politics) - both my kids are in state schools so again, no real skin in that game but it isn't great policy in my mind.

The WFA could have been handled better with proper means testing. I can't get too bothered about the WASPI decision. It was pretty obvious it would pan out that way. Labour should have had more foresight on this while in opposition. They were tied in knots with fiscal policies because they had to promise they wouldn't raise taxes on working people to get elected. Swing voters a big issue here. They needed to raise money and their options were limited. I can't get too excited about VAT on school fees, provided they make adequate exemptions for SEN kids. We are only five months in though. They have made some early gaffes but we really really needed a change of guard.

I don't like politicians at the moment full stop. I don't like the partisanship which creeps in where people excuse bad behaviour or incompetence by saying "but what about those other ones". As if we are all supposed to go "oh thats alright then". It prevents a proper assessment and at the moment Labour are in power so I'm interested in discussing the decisions affecting my life as a result of a budget dreamt up by someone without the proper qualifications to do so. Thats what this thread is about. You can talk about yesterday's decisions with someone else of course, if you think it will help you deal with Labour's current incompetence in your own mind. I'm not remotely interested in talking about Kwasi Kwartang or the conservative party with you. Why do you assume I would?

Fundamentally Labour lied to get in power. And they will lie to stay in power if they can. And people should hopefully be aware of that at the next election.