To be worried about what the Labour government will do next?

[Scenicgirl]

Let's be honest, Labour has been a massive disappointment for this country, pissing off the pensioners with taking away the WFA, the farmers, NI changes which impact employers, immigration etc and today refusing compensation to the WASPI women after they ridiculed the Conservatives when they didn't commit to a solution. Don't we deserve better than this constant shit show of lies and deceptions which were clearly spouted out purely to gain power?
For the 1st time in my life, I worry about where we are heading.

I see the REVELs (Rich Enough to Even Vote Labour) are out in full force.
Who cares about pensioners, farmers and waspi women. Sod em all!

I said she and I would never agree. Certainly that's all I meant.

’Proper grown ups’ ~ seriously?
None of this lot have ever even run a business. Rachel from Accounts and Free Gear Kier have turned this country into a laughing stock.

I think my expectations were considerably lower.

It's seemed to me that both parties have become increasingly centrist (think that's the word).

At the end of it all there's only so much money to go round and wherever it comes from you can't give everyone what they want. Labour, to my mind, are marginally more acceptable than the Tories.

I see the REVELs (Rich Enough to Even Vote Labour) are out in full force.
Who cares about pensioners, farmers and waspi women. Sod em all!

Better known as Too Poor to Vote Tory.

quietly getting on with things

Quietly shrinking the private sector and taking us closer to recession is no great shakes though

I am simultaneously a WASPI woman, a (commercial) landlord, a pensioner, and the part owner of a very small manufacturing business. I have skin in a lot of tumultuous issues politically right now. I/we are not huge, but we employ about 8 people and support their families directly. This government has people like us in the range finder, with the objective of plundering every penny we have saved over 50 years of working. There is as far I have observed since July 4 absolutely ZERO thought for the ordinary small time business people. who have tried to do their best. I don't really want to move away from my life, but it is perfectly possible for me to relocate to an other country where I won't pay IHT and my passive income will be taxed at 10% rather than 40%. My DH has waited more than two years for a surgical procedure via the NHS which would have happened 18 months ago in most of Europe.

So I am not going to hang around to fund Ed Milliband's Greta Thunberg fantasy, or any other day dream. I shall move my assets beyond their reach. I can, there are ways to do so.

For me I want to see the economy prioritised. Stop business rates full stop - pure theft. NI increase on businesses fucking insane. Yet they preach they want to kick start economy. That chess move screams an absolute failure from this shit show labour cabinet. As a middle earner I want to keep my earned money. Stop the tax theft of middle earners. They want us to save for retirement yet they now steal it through inheritance tax. Theft of farming assets, when these families work so hard in every sense to produce and pass their farms down to families. I can't stand Starmer & the conservative's; and I fear a Nigel Farage character will win the next election. The country are fed up of our currency being deflated through the Central Bank corruption system - printing money & inflation. I'm watching USA closely with Trump 2.0 & Musk support, this will be the UK in 4 years.

We're not rich enough to vote Labour. Nor that stupid.

Labour economics are based on the public sector vote, where you don't have to bother about making a profit because the tax payer will fund the shortfall.

Don't see things the same way as you at all op. Speak for yourself!!

You're not going to fix the NHS and education without money, compensation and tax breaks for farmers are nice to have. Many waspi women are some of the best off in society, if the money goes to pensioners who really need it then that would be better. Same as wfa. It's unpopular but we're in a country where children live in hostels and their parents can't afford to feed them, why not direct your anger at that.

Are you one of the people who would like more and better benefits? They cannot be afforded but it's easy to vote for them. Who do you think should pay them? And are they going to stick around to stump up? We're out.

Labour economics are based on the public sector vote, where you don't have to bother about making a profit because the tax payer will fund the shortfall.

Public sector services, so health, education, social work, social care, policing, fire services. All under massive pressures, under funded and under resourced. How do you suggest we pay for them?

I'd like to think we should look first at reducing the need for them @Jellycatspyjamas primarily by encouraging greater primary responsibility.

It starts with getting and keeping a job.

Yes how do we pay for them? With a private sector and financial sector which is now shrinking and relocating. The sectors needed to pay for it all. That’s before you get on to the job losses and hiring freezes as a result of the budget.

https://unherd.com/2024/12/how-china-burned-german-industry/?tl_inbound=1&tl_groups[0]=18743&tl_period_type=3&utm_source=UnHerd+Today&utm_campaign=cd645042b6-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2024_12_18_10_04&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_79fd0df946-cd645042b6-72957977

It's an ugly link but a very frightening story that will hopefully shock a handful of people out of their complacent belief that cosying up with Europe will solve anything.

I find it utterly bizarre but predictable that there are so many posters happy to justify just about anything Labour throw at us on the basis they are not the Tories.
This 'reset' that was necessary, the 'foundations for a better future', the 'much-needed changes' would have caused an uproar if they were Tory policies, but for some reason, because it's Labour shafting huge sectors of society, it seems to be OK.
I have asked this question a few times now on threads like this one, but I have never had a reply, so I'll give it another go:
To all those endlessly justifying Labour's shoddy behaviour because it's 'not as bad as the Tories' - where is the line drawn?

@Katypp because there's no way they would be Tory policies.

Explain?

because it's Labour shafting huge sectors of society, it seems to be OK.

Given pp are ignoring connection between private sector contraction and impact on public sector funding I'd say when it filters through to the latter

@Katypp because the Tories wouldn't have taken a penny off farmers or older people

It genuinely baffles me. Like actually, where do people think this money comes from? The tiny (shrinking) minority of higher earners who pay some of the highest marginals in the world? The big business who are now “packing up and fucking off” as told. Taking tax, investment and jobs with them. What about the hiring freezes all over the private sector right now? The actual data saying how rapidly it’s all shrinking. WFA, WASPI, etc won’t touch the sides.

@CraftyOP OK. So the hypocrisy of supporting the Waspi women when in opposition and then rejecting them when in Government sits OK with you then?
That black hole (which was added to massively with public sector pay rises but we don't talk about that) is doing a hell of a lot of heavy lifting.

I'd like to think we should look first at reducing the need for them primarily by encouraging greater primary responsibility.

I agree with reducing the need. It’s a good job that child poverty, food bank usage, health waiting lists have all lessened under the last government, along with improvements in salaries, stabilised housing market and improvements in educational attainment. Oh wait a second…