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To be worried about what the Labour government will do next?

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Scenicgirl · 17/12/2024 22:46

Let's be honest, Labour has been a massive disappointment for this country, pissing off the pensioners with taking away the WFA, the farmers, NI changes which impact employers, immigration etc and today refusing compensation to the WASPI women after they ridiculed the Conservatives when they didn't commit to a solution. Don't we deserve better than this constant shit show of lies and deceptions which were clearly spouted out purely to gain power?
For the 1st time in my life, I worry about where we are heading.

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TizerorFizz · 18/12/2024 17:48

The NHS has low productivity because it doesn’t spend money wisely. The NHs is a healthcare system other countries don’t have. We anll know why. It’s outdated annd ant times poor. All parties use it politically. None make reforms to healthcare.

I’ve no doubt some dc live in poor accommodation. The houses were sold off. Labour never reversed this and it continued to happen. Many issues are down to ineffective politicians. Of both parties.

Violet35 · 18/12/2024 17:55

MyKidsAreTooNoisy · 17/12/2024 23:07

Oooh another post when someone pretends to be disappointed with Labour as if they haven’t voted Tories/UKIP/Reform their entire adult lives.

💯 spot on! 👍

Aduvetday · 18/12/2024 17:58

beetr00 · 18/12/2024 08:08

they are absolutely not personal @Aduvetday

We just have a difference of opinion, surely.

Where is your opinion? Up until this post I’ve quoted it has been personal attacks and absolutely zero on the economic news.

Aduvetday · 18/12/2024 18:01

Wond3747 · 18/12/2024 07:43

Back at you!

Not really. You’re the one BOT hunting rather engaging with the actual content of posts. That’s half the issues. It’s literal fact that our city is shrinking at the fastest rate in over a decade due to investment problems. Screaming bot and right back at ya is tiring. At least MNHQ are beginning to deal with it all.

TinklySnail · 18/12/2024 18:03

Alexandra2001 · 18/12/2024 17:47

Quick to judge? 5 months vs 14 years and you know already mmmmmm.

Yes. In 5 months they have taken WFP and refused WASPI comp.
They said they would keep WFP.
They backed the WASPI when it was a Tory issue but have now gone back on their word.
Farmers inheritance tax.
Yet still keep blaming the Tories.
Hard decisions that had to be made. But we will give train drivers and public sector pay rises.
Labour increased borrowing by £32 billion from 2025–2026 to 2029–2030.
Labour have increased taxation by £40 billion.

Aduvetday · 18/12/2024 18:03

Summernightsinthe21stcentury · 18/12/2024 08:27

I love that there are people who think companies can make massive infrastructure decisions in what 6 weeks since the budget?

The reality of Brexit is just beginning to show now, and will only worsen over the coming years and months as our practices diverge further from EU legislation.

Did you not read the thread about the small businesses and NI? The increased paperwork, and costs related actually stopping people with micro businesses in their tracks? December 13th this year was when this started to happen, purely because of brexit.

This has already been in planning since Brexit. Companies were making decisions depending on the way the budget went. Things were manageable now the UK isn’t attractive investment wise or employee wise. I literally am seeing this happen in real time. That’s what happens in a global market.

Jellycatspyjamas · 18/12/2024 18:09

Hard decisions that had to be made. But we will give train drivers and public sector pay rises.

And in doing so end years of disruptive industrial dispute which also costs the economy when people can’t get to where they need to be or have their operations cancelled.

EasternStandard · 18/12/2024 18:15

Summernightsinthe21stcentury · 18/12/2024 08:27

I love that there are people who think companies can make massive infrastructure decisions in what 6 weeks since the budget?

The reality of Brexit is just beginning to show now, and will only worsen over the coming years and months as our practices diverge further from EU legislation.

Did you not read the thread about the small businesses and NI? The increased paperwork, and costs related actually stopping people with micro businesses in their tracks? December 13th this year was when this started to happen, purely because of brexit.

It's easy to see the impact from the budget. Just looking the CCI figure after the doom conference early on, then the PMI over the last three months and the unexpected shrinking in October for the economy, vacancies on major recruiter down in November

The first half of the year was growth, higher than expected, now that's been dissipated by the policies

If you wanted Brexit looked at that was a better way to do it as Labour's policies are further decreasing the private sector. That impacts funding for the public sector and jobs

Nordione1 · 18/12/2024 18:29

Jellycatspyjamas · 18/12/2024 18:09

Hard decisions that had to be made. But we will give train drivers and public sector pay rises.

And in doing so end years of disruptive industrial dispute which also costs the economy when people can’t get to where they need to be or have their operations cancelled.

This country can't afford those pay rises if the money needs to come from poor pensioners, children and from the death of farmers. You're living in a rich country in your head that doesn't actually exist.

Scenicgirl · 18/12/2024 18:36

MyKidsAreTooNoisy · Yesterday 23:07
Oooh another post when someone pretends to be disappointed with Labour as if they haven’t voted Tories/UKIP/Reform their entire adult lives.

The sad thing is I'm not pretending to be disappointed, I AM disappointed.
Of course the Tories have got things wrong but would Labour have done things any differently if today's state of affairs is anything to go by?
We have lived through a pandemic which has undoubtedly damaged the country's finances for decades to come and since the one before was The Spanish Flu in 1918 which brought the country to its knees, Labour harping on about the 22 billion black holes is becoming very tiresome when in the next breath he is offering our money right, left and centre overseas and on Milliband's ridiculous projects. Looking after his own country wouldn't come amiss right now.
I have been concerned about our politics in the past but certainly not to this extent when you don't know which powerful world leader Starmer or David Lammy are going to upset next. I don't feel like they are a safe pair of hands and that's not up for debate, just how I feel at the moment.

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EasternStandard · 18/12/2024 18:40

Scenicgirl · 18/12/2024 18:36

MyKidsAreTooNoisy · Yesterday 23:07
Oooh another post when someone pretends to be disappointed with Labour as if they haven’t voted Tories/UKIP/Reform their entire adult lives.

The sad thing is I'm not pretending to be disappointed, I AM disappointed.
Of course the Tories have got things wrong but would Labour have done things any differently if today's state of affairs is anything to go by?
We have lived through a pandemic which has undoubtedly damaged the country's finances for decades to come and since the one before was The Spanish Flu in 1918 which brought the country to its knees, Labour harping on about the 22 billion black holes is becoming very tiresome when in the next breath he is offering our money right, left and centre overseas and on Milliband's ridiculous projects. Looking after his own country wouldn't come amiss right now.
I have been concerned about our politics in the past but certainly not to this extent when you don't know which powerful world leader Starmer or David Lammy are going to upset next. I don't feel like they are a safe pair of hands and that's not up for debate, just how I feel at the moment.

Oooh another post when someone pretends to be disappointed with Labour as if they haven’t voted Tories/UKIP/Reform their entire adult lives.

It's a bizarre claim anyway op, just look at Starmer's rating which has tanked in 5 months. Steadfast pro Labour pp aside there clearly are many who are disappointed otherwise you wouldn't get that shift

Betchyaby · 18/12/2024 18:45

Just wait until the landlords start selling up because they don't want to deal with the incoming red tape. There are going to be so many renters out of homes, which will drive up rental prices as the competition becomes greater and rental properties become more scarce. On the surface level it sounds good that tenants will get more rights, dig deeper the knock on effects of the new policies will hammer working class people yet again.
An understanding of supply and demand has never been a Labour strong point.
Don't even get me started on WASPI women, you know it's bad news when Diane Abbot is criticising you! 😂

TinklySnail · 18/12/2024 18:53

Alexandra2001 · 18/12/2024 17:46

Plenty of economists are predicting a recession as a direct result of Labour policies

Who is predicting this? i ve listened/read a few business reports today and not heard this, other than from Tory think tanks.

What caused the recession in Q3 and Q4 last year?

.... a direct result of conservative policies, no silly me, must have been external factors....

The economy was on the up again early 2024.
Economists are saying that we are heading towards recession. Even the BBC has been saying it.

Summernightsinthe21stcentury · 18/12/2024 19:09

Aduvetday · 18/12/2024 18:03

This has already been in planning since Brexit. Companies were making decisions depending on the way the budget went. Things were manageable now the UK isn’t attractive investment wise or employee wise. I literally am seeing this happen in real time. That’s what happens in a global market.

Exactly my point. Not the budget but Brexit.
But there is no way they'd be making the decision post this budget, it takes years to make decisions like move a headquarters.

EasternStandard · 18/12/2024 19:15

@Summernightsinthe21stcentury loads of decisions have been and are being made due to the budget, that's why the PMI has gone down in a contraction and vacancies decreased

Jellycatspyjamas · 18/12/2024 19:17

This country can't afford those pay rises if the money needs to come from poor pensioners, children and from the death of farmers. You're living in a rich country in your head that doesn't actually exist.

Believe me I’m under no illusion that this is a rich country - it is for some without doubt, mostly those who got much richer under the Tories. I’m in Scotland though where we have a whole other shit show to deal with paying considerably higher taxes than the rest of the uk.

Taking money from people was never going to be popular, whether that was in the form of NI, inheritance tax or WFA. Giving money was also never going to be popular either, but endless industrial action isn’t good for productivity and let’s be fair nothing the previous government worked to end either dispute.

I’m not a die hard Labour supporter but I’d like to give them more than a few months to turn around the last 14 years.

Punocchio · 18/12/2024 19:24

Betchyaby · 18/12/2024 18:45

Just wait until the landlords start selling up because they don't want to deal with the incoming red tape. There are going to be so many renters out of homes, which will drive up rental prices as the competition becomes greater and rental properties become more scarce. On the surface level it sounds good that tenants will get more rights, dig deeper the knock on effects of the new policies will hammer working class people yet again.
An understanding of supply and demand has never been a Labour strong point.
Don't even get me started on WASPI women, you know it's bad news when Diane Abbot is criticising you! 😂

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She hates Keir Starmer, she'll criticise anything he does tbh.

Summernightsinthe21stcentury · 18/12/2024 19:29

EasternStandard · 18/12/2024 19:15

@Summernightsinthe21stcentury loads of decisions have been and are being made due to the budget, that's why the PMI has gone down in a contraction and vacancies decreased

Yes maybe decisions are being made because of the budget, I'm not saying they aren't, I am reacting to PPs who say that investment companies are deregistering from the London stock exchange and moving to New York on account of a budget 6 weeks ago.
That's not how these companies work, I know this because I work for one. It takes a long time to set the wheels in motion, so Rachel could do her worst but these decisions were made some time ago. Come back to me in 3 years with more data, and maybe there will be some truth in it, but we really are where we are in terms of economic uncertainty because of brexit, look it up.

EasternStandard · 18/12/2024 19:30

Come back to me in 3 years with more data

We have data now. Plenty which is already filtering through in reports.

Look it up it's all there, covered by most media including the BBC as pp said

Summernightsinthe21stcentury · 18/12/2024 19:32

You misunderstand @EasternStandard
i am not surprised to be honest😂

TinklySnail · 18/12/2024 19:34

Summernightsinthe21stcentury · 18/12/2024 19:29

Yes maybe decisions are being made because of the budget, I'm not saying they aren't, I am reacting to PPs who say that investment companies are deregistering from the London stock exchange and moving to New York on account of a budget 6 weeks ago.
That's not how these companies work, I know this because I work for one. It takes a long time to set the wheels in motion, so Rachel could do her worst but these decisions were made some time ago. Come back to me in 3 years with more data, and maybe there will be some truth in it, but we really are where we are in terms of economic uncertainty because of brexit, look it up.

So what’s caused Germany to look worse thatnthe Uk? France is not doing any better?

TinklySnail · 18/12/2024 19:35

Summernightsinthe21stcentury · 18/12/2024 19:32

You misunderstand @EasternStandard
i am not surprised to be honest😂

Why are you ‘not surprised?’

EasternStandard · 18/12/2024 19:36

Summernightsinthe21stcentury · 18/12/2024 19:32

You misunderstand @EasternStandard
i am not surprised to be honest😂

Sure

Bit pathetic as insults go not a surprise though

EasternStandard · 18/12/2024 19:37

@TinklySnail it's the staunch Labour way ;

Aduvetday · 18/12/2024 19:37

Summernightsinthe21stcentury · 18/12/2024 19:09

Exactly my point. Not the budget but Brexit.
But there is no way they'd be making the decision post this budget, it takes years to make decisions like move a headquarters.

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People and business have been looking at this for a long, long time; that’s the point. Brexit and then what if a Labour government gets in, what’s going on with the budget. My team were talking of moving to NYC on budget rumours. Companies are ready to pull the plug and they are.

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