To be worried about what the Labour government will do next?

[Scenicgirl]

Let's be honest, Labour has been a massive disappointment for this country, pissing off the pensioners with taking away the WFA, the farmers, NI changes which impact employers, immigration etc and today refusing compensation to the WASPI women after they ridiculed the Conservatives when they didn't commit to a solution. Don't we deserve better than this constant shit show of lies and deceptions which were clearly spouted out purely to gain power?
For the 1st time in my life, I worry about where we are heading.

I think both labour and conservatives are shit, there is no one to vote for anymore.

Yep

This is down to Labour's policies and budget if so

Growth was higher in first half of year now unexpectedly lower

Opening posts that are worded not just to indicate how the OP feels but also to suggest how everyone else is supposed to feel really annoy me.

Never mind I'm sure that there will be more annoying things to annoy you coming soon! 🙄

Predictable. Russia is too big and backed by N Korea, China etc. Putin is a lunatic who will stop at nothing, if anything, foreign interference is provoking him further. Ukraine are badly losing as we speak, this is a reality, that doesn't make me a 'bot.'

Let’s be honest, it is quite a goady and controlling way to start a thread but I assume that it’s clearly spouted in such a format as a deliberate strategy.

Yes these insane policies are responsible. Watching Reeves explain away inflation with 'oh it's higher in Europe' was a disgrace. Anyone who understands economics was most definitely expecting this decline and it is going to get much worse. I'm genuinely concerned for the poorest.

@Betchyaby yep it just takes some knowledge of economics to see what's happening

The flip side to that is why Reeves as the chancellor couldn't understand what those policies would do

I think she was fully aware. Many in the Labour party are socialist/communist.

Good grief.

Do you follow anything in the news or do you just vote for the red rosette because you believe it makes you a better person?

Plenty of economists are predicting a recession as a direct result of Labour policies.

@Betchyaby maybe but she's not thinking it through if so. That public sector funding relies on a stronger private sector

I get they couldn't care less about 'difficult decisions' for pensioners, students, farmers, small businesses, pretty much relish in those, as seen here too.

But if what you say happens and we're in recession those decisions will filter to union based sectors at some point

Union / public sector that is- then it'll get tougher for Reeves

@Betchyaby It’s a fundamental problem that RR goes on about wanting growth, and seems to understand why it’s vital, but produces an anti growth budget. It’s mixed messaging and extremely anti business. It’s also not helpful to voters either. They will be worse off. It’s going to far to up business tax at the moment. I think the other danger might be unemployment.

I think the total amount of aid we have given to Ukraine is over 20 billion.

The war is lost. At this point it's just men from both sides killing each other. More than a million dead so far and Ukraine thinking about dropping the conscription age to 18 so that another generation of men can die.

If we don't want a wider European war then we should attempt some diplomacy rather than provocation.

What they should be doing is taxing everybody to help pay for these things. A one off increase to NI for one year or something. Their own manifesto has led to problem after problem and they would no doubt have got in anyway.

@Henrythehappypig

Let’s be honest, it is quite a goady and controlling way to start a thread but I assume that it’s clearly spouted in such a format as a deliberate strategy.

What do you think would’ve been an appropriate title for the thread?

'It is collapsing now because of the extra numbers they have to treat, which it simply was not designed for'

Has it nothing to do with 14 years of underfunding and cuts? The NHS wasn't designed for many things, but trying to say it wasn't designed for the number of people it now treats is just wrong or misleading at best. ; of course, it wasn't designed for what it's grown into today, the same as Mumsnet wasn't, and the Money Saving Expert forums weren't designed to be what they are today, but they have evolved and grown, and received investment.

We don't have tiny cottage hospitals anymore—well, we do—but we also have huge, expansive mega-sites that treat thousands of patients per day. With 1.7 million staff, the NHS is the world's fifth-largest employer.

I feel better with Labour at the head of the budget than I did with the Tories. I'll not even start on the billions of PPE that were sold and never existed. But yes, 6 months of Labour and everyone is getting themselves tied in knots. At least we are getting some answers; we may not like them all, but that's politics and life.

Well it wasn't meant to be, as you put it "goady and controlling" however, it was a valid subject for debate whilst knowing that not everyone would agree with my views, could be discussed.
But hey, that's living in a democracy for you, I'm sorry if my wording offended you.
I usually just scroll past rather than commenting if I feel this way.

The NHS has had endless increases in funding. What has happened is low productivity and poor outcomes for many patients. @Scenicgirl is spot on.

@Brro Do you not understand that taxes are near record highs. You cannot squeeze a quart out of a pint pot. We are squeezed by higher prices and inability to afford housing. Companies are being taxed more but customers end up paying. Few now would welcome higher tax. Also what gets fixed in one year? Absolutely nothing. There needs to be a radical change to the delivery and funding of healthcare. We need a better funding model that’s not purely taxation.

Thats all on the Tories i'm afraid, the country has no money because of decisions they made, inc Austerity, Brexit, Covid, Furlough and Fuel subsidies and because Truss took Govt borrowing costs from 1.8% to over 5% and its still 4.2%... this is huge, a massive burden for the country.

Today, the Childrens commissionaire tells us that 100s of 1000s of children live in so called temp accommodation, for years on end... who caused this? which party chose to allow this?

The NHS has lower productivity because it doesn't have enough staff, equipment, beds, theatres and more and more people are presenting with additional complex needs.

Funding the NHS with additional insurances, is another tax in all but name and doesn't change any of the fundamentals, we need better preventative healthcare, why is 24% of the population classed as disabled???

The way some go on, you'd think the last 14 years were a land of milk and honey...

I don't believe that is true. On the radio today they mentioned the Russian economic decline which will come to a head this time next year or early 2026, when Putin will be in real trouble at home and abroad.

Plenty of economists are predicting a recession as a direct result of Labour policies.

True. It's an mn Labour thing to ignore the policies. If it does happen they'll still be a few still posting as such. Labour are very low now on polling, a recession won't help them generally. They'll tank even more

(bar some loyal staunch supporters)

No the Tories were pretty useless too. Labour are even worse.

Plenty of economists are predicting a recession as a direct result of Labour policies

Who is predicting this? i ve listened/read a few business reports today and not heard this, other than from Tory think tanks.

What caused the recession in Q3 and Q4 last year?

.... a direct result of conservative policies, no silly me, must have been external factors....

Quick to judge? 5 months vs 14 years and you know already mmmmmm.