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To be worried about what the Labour government will do next?

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Scenicgirl · 17/12/2024 22:46

Let's be honest, Labour has been a massive disappointment for this country, pissing off the pensioners with taking away the WFA, the farmers, NI changes which impact employers, immigration etc and today refusing compensation to the WASPI women after they ridiculed the Conservatives when they didn't commit to a solution. Don't we deserve better than this constant shit show of lies and deceptions which were clearly spouted out purely to gain power?
For the 1st time in my life, I worry about where we are heading.

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Bushmillsbabe · 18/12/2024 10:06

lonelyplanetmum · 18/12/2024 09:29

There are many positive changes (which would never have happened under the Tories) but the vast amount of positive changes just don’t get reported, for example :
• Increased minimum wage.
• Increased pay for teachers and nurses.
• Increased right to Flexible working for all employees . 

• Increased Unfair dismissal protection.

• Sick pay from day one. 

• Parental leave from day one. 

• Protection from being exploited by Zero-hours contracts

• Increased Protection from sexual harassment.
• Preventing "fire and rehire"
• Increased protection against dismissal for pregnant employees and those returning from maternity leave.

These arent always positive changes
Our small nhs team has has 2 new joiners recently. 1 is clinically incompetent so we have to monitor every appointment, leading to wait list building up. Other went off sick on week 2 of employment (4 months ago) and we are paying them full salary. Previously they would have been under 3 month trial periods and we couod have dismissed at least the first one. Now it's much harder, so we are all stuck covering extra work from these 2 and patients waiting even longer.

lonelyplanetmum · 18/12/2024 10:10

What are you talking about? You can still dismiss for incompetence. That hasn't changed since the Employment Rights Act 1996, Section 98

Anniegetyourgun · 18/12/2024 10:12

Um... inflation was beginning to get back to the level it was before they caused it to rocket last time, and they'd nearly got to the point where they could send 100 people to Rwanda. I think that was it. But honestly it was going to be great, soon. The unicorns were just about ready to leave the nest. All we had to do was hold on for another 14 years and you'd see.

flyinghen · 18/12/2024 10:13

I've just learnt that although this wasn't said in her budget speech Reeves has cancelled plans to reform child benefit to be based on household income. Sneaky and deceptive! Refusing to pay the WASPI women is disgusting. I'm regretting my vote for sure, wish I spoilt it instead.

Boohoo76 · 18/12/2024 10:16

Wond3747 · 18/12/2024 10:03

Um in what way anywhere were things beginning to improve under the Tories?🤣

Inflation was on its way down and we had growth in the economy. The signs were good in the first six months of the year that we were finally getting on an “even keel” after a very rough period. I previously worked for a staffing company and things changed post-election and have got worse since. Businesses are not simply not hiring. Thankfully I got out of the sector by choice but just after I left another round of redundancies were announced by my former employer.

Diomi · 18/12/2024 10:18

ChallahPlaiter · 18/12/2024 09:52

Oh I think even a pleb like me is capable of deciphering the meaning behind the phrase “fuck private schools”!

You’re leaning very heavily on the language and ignoring the wider point.

You were the one who said I couldn’t decipher the meaning behind the message but now apparently I’m a snob!

If someone wrote a very simplistic post about immigration and then ended it with ‘fuck foreigners’. Would I be forgiven for ignoring their wider point and focusing on the language? Would you really expect me to take them seriously?

BIossomtoes · 18/12/2024 10:18

flyinghen · 18/12/2024 10:13

I've just learnt that although this wasn't said in her budget speech Reeves has cancelled plans to reform child benefit to be based on household income. Sneaky and deceptive! Refusing to pay the WASPI women is disgusting. I'm regretting my vote for sure, wish I spoilt it instead.

I didn’t know there were any plans to reform child benefit, were they in the manifesto? As a WASPI woman I never expected any money, there is no money to pay compensation and even if there was it wouldn’t be an appropriate use for it.

Bushmillsbabe · 18/12/2024 10:21

lonelyplanetmum · 18/12/2024 10:10

What are you talking about? You can still dismiss for incompetence. That hasn't changed since the Employment Rights Act 1996, Section 98

Do you work in the nhs? It's always been hard to fire people, the onus is put on managers to 'provide greater support' rather than the person to be accountable for their own practice. We have to prove that we have tried absolutely everything to support them, provide mounds of evidence and go through many many time consuming stages to be able to terminate a contract once someone has passed their probationary period, so we would previously terminate within that period if needed as its much easier. Now, this person has just also gone off sick with 'anxiety' so we are stuck paying them sick pay, and then will face accusations of discrimination on their return if we attempt to terminate their contract.

Lots of moans on MM about poor nhs experiences with incompetent staff, what they don't realise is that we all know who is no good at their job, try our best yo remove them but are blocked, and then as managers have to deal with complaints and move patients onto caseloads of our stronger staff, leaving the incompetent staff member being fully paid to twiddle their thumbs all day - weaponised incompetence I think it's called. They know they are useless, they know we know they are useless, and they know there is not much we can do about it!

Ytcsghisn · 18/12/2024 10:21

lonelyplanetmum · 18/12/2024 09:36

As a post script to my own list of positives I just asked chat gpt:

Since taking office in July 2024, Prime Minister Keir Starmer’s Labour government has initiated several policies aimed at addressing key public concerns:

Economic Measures:
Public Sector Pay Increases: The government agreed to raise public-sector wages by 5% to 7%, resolving ongoing industrial disputes and ending strikes in sectors like healthcare and transportation.
Minimum Wage Increase: The October 2024 budget announced a 6.7% increase in the National Minimum Wage, bringing it to £12.21 per hour, effective from April 2025.
Investment in Public Services: Significant funding boosts were outlined, including a £22.6 billion increase in the health budget and £6.7 billion for education, focusing on infrastructure improvements and service delivery.

Social Policies:
Workers’ Rights Enhancements: The government implemented substantial reforms, such as immediate protection against unfair dismissal and the right to request flexible working arrangements, aiming to improve employment conditions nationwide.
Housing Initiatives: Plans to construct 1.5 million homes and ease planning restrictions have been set in motion to address housing shortages and affordability issues.
Ban on No-Fault Evictions: Legislation was introduced to prohibit no-fault evictions, enhancing security for tenants in the private rental sector.

Energy and Environment:
Establishment of Great British Energy: A state-owned company was created to invest in green energy projects, reflecting the government’s commitment to sustainable energy and reducing carbon emissions.
Lifting Ban on Onshore Wind Turbines: The government lifted the ban on onshore wind turbines, promoting renewable energy development and aiming to lower energy costs in the long term.

Overall, Labour’s initial period in government has been marked by a focus on economic reforms, social policies, and environmental initiatives, with varying degrees of progress and public reception.

These are all Mickey Mouse soundbites at best. Not actual policies.

Public sector pay increases are simply inflationary, since the public sector is even less productive than it was 5 years ago. If you put more more into something without better output, that’s not smart: it’s stupid. But really, it was a bribe for union support, paid for through tax increases.

The same goes for the NHS. Which is basically a black hole that badly run with poor outcomes.

‘plans’ for houses is just a nonsense way of saying that labour have done a load of talking and no delivering. No actual houses have been built and there is no way on this earth that they actually will. To reach that target they need to build 300k a year. And that not even incremental. It’s adding to what’s already being built.

GB energy is another nonsense soundbite. Unless labour are going to r
release more hot air to add these soundbites, where is energy coming from? We are not building more nuclear power stations, nor fracking. Nor drilling for oil. GB energy will be yet another taxpayer funded bloated public sector organization to funnel more taxes away to government cronies.

flyinghen · 18/12/2024 10:21

@BIossomtoes yes the conservative government said in their spring budget it would be based on household income from 2026. Labour have silently cancelled that plan.

BIossomtoes · 18/12/2024 10:23

flyinghen · 18/12/2024 10:21

@BIossomtoes yes the conservative government said in their spring budget it would be based on household income from 2026. Labour have silently cancelled that plan.

So what? You can’t hold a Labour government to a promise made by the other party!

lonelyplanetmum · 18/12/2024 10:25

lonelyplanetmum · 18/12/2024 09:36

As a post script to my own list of positives I just asked chat gpt:

Since taking office in July 2024, Prime Minister Keir Starmer’s Labour government has initiated several policies aimed at addressing key public concerns:

Economic Measures:
Public Sector Pay Increases: The government agreed to raise public-sector wages by 5% to 7%, resolving ongoing industrial disputes and ending strikes in sectors like healthcare and transportation.
Minimum Wage Increase: The October 2024 budget announced a 6.7% increase in the National Minimum Wage, bringing it to £12.21 per hour, effective from April 2025.
Investment in Public Services: Significant funding boosts were outlined, including a £22.6 billion increase in the health budget and £6.7 billion for education, focusing on infrastructure improvements and service delivery.

Social Policies:
Workers’ Rights Enhancements: The government implemented substantial reforms, such as immediate protection against unfair dismissal and the right to request flexible working arrangements, aiming to improve employment conditions nationwide.
Housing Initiatives: Plans to construct 1.5 million homes and ease planning restrictions have been set in motion to address housing shortages and affordability issues.
Ban on No-Fault Evictions: Legislation was introduced to prohibit no-fault evictions, enhancing security for tenants in the private rental sector.

Energy and Environment:
Establishment of Great British Energy: A state-owned company was created to invest in green energy projects, reflecting the government’s commitment to sustainable energy and reducing carbon emissions.
Lifting Ban on Onshore Wind Turbines: The government lifted the ban on onshore wind turbines, promoting renewable energy development and aiming to lower energy costs in the long term.

Overall, Labour’s initial period in government has been marked by a focus on economic reforms, social policies, and environmental initiatives, with varying degrees of progress and public reception.

These are real policies contained in draft legislation...not soundbites.

In fact suggesting they are soundbites is fake news when they are in the Employment Rights Bill.

www.lewissilkin.com/insights/2024/10/18/whats-in-the-employment-rights-bill

lonelyplanetmum · 18/12/2024 10:28

lonelyplanetmum · 18/12/2024 09:29

There are many positive changes (which would never have happened under the Tories) but the vast amount of positive changes just don’t get reported, for example :
• Increased minimum wage.
• Increased pay for teachers and nurses.
• Increased right to Flexible working for all employees . 

• Increased Unfair dismissal protection.

• Sick pay from day one. 

• Parental leave from day one. 

• Protection from being exploited by Zero-hours contracts

• Increased Protection from sexual harassment.
• Preventing "fire and rehire"
• Increased protection against dismissal for pregnant employees and those returning from maternity leave.

These are the ones in the Employment Rights Bill.. the others are in different draft legislation..

EasternStandard · 18/12/2024 10:28

Given the recent polling and ratings op I'd say there are many who feel as you do

lonelyplanetmum · 18/12/2024 10:28

The last seven bullets are the ones I am referring to!

flyinghen · 18/12/2024 10:29

@BIossomtoes when I was researching who to vote the labour websites only mention of this policy was that they thought it should be reformed and changed to household income. One of the reasons I felt like I could vote for them. This might not make a dot of difference to your life which is why you're dismissing it so easily but it makes a difference to a lot of families. It's something that Martin Lewis has campaigned for and it's just been silently brushed away. Disappointing!

Nordione1 · 18/12/2024 10:30

ChallahPlaiter · 18/12/2024 09:47

That comment isn’t worthy of you. I’ve enjoyed debating with you, you have some interesting viewpoints.

Apologies. I possibly confused you with the poster calling people in Clacton names. I just hate the generalisation of groups of people that seems to happen these days and how if someone disagrees politically they are called idiots and morons. It got worse after the Brexit vote and I don't like it. I hate Labour as much as the next reasonable person but happily shared a house years ago with Labour supporters and we never felt the need to insult each other's intelligence.

Nordione1 · 18/12/2024 10:34

Alltheprettyseahorses · 18/12/2024 09:49

Yes it is. Everyone should have a chance to stand for election. But not 7 times failed carpetbaggers - that makes a total mockery of the system.

But what if you stand 6 times and then on the 7th you get in? Indicating that you won the popular vote? Which is what happened.

Nordione1 · 18/12/2024 10:41

ChallahPlaiter · 18/12/2024 09:05

The NHS definitely isn’t the world’s second biggest employer! Walmart and McDonald’s hire more people for a start. In fact it isn’t even the UK’s biggest expenditure - that’s pensions and benefits.
By all means argue for NHS reform, as long as you have alternative suggestions, but let’s start from a position of accuracy.

Ok apologies. One of the biggest. Top five. I'm not sure that changes my argument that the NHS is not underfunded because that for a little country like the UK is completely out of proportion bearing in mind it's UK taxpayers that pay for it and I'm not sure there will be enough of us given Rach is determined to stuff the money earning part of our economy.

Nordione1 · 18/12/2024 10:42

Nordione1 · 18/12/2024 10:41

Ok apologies. One of the biggest. Top five. I'm not sure that changes my argument that the NHS is not underfunded because that for a little country like the UK is completely out of proportion bearing in mind it's UK taxpayers that pay for it and I'm not sure there will be enough of us given Rach is determined to stuff the money earning part of our economy.

We are spending like we are a rich country. We aren't any more. Apparently we have been living off the remnants of the wealth earned from the Empire for the last century and that is now finally running out. Scary.

ChallahPlaiter · 18/12/2024 10:46

Diomi · 18/12/2024 10:18

You were the one who said I couldn’t decipher the meaning behind the message but now apparently I’m a snob!

If someone wrote a very simplistic post about immigration and then ended it with ‘fuck foreigners’. Would I be forgiven for ignoring their wider point and focusing on the language? Would you really expect me to take them seriously?

Actually I said no such thing.

Are ”foreigners” a driver of embedded societal
inequality? I don’t think you can compare the two.

GasPanic · 18/12/2024 10:51

Labour are a joke.

Inflation now up to 2.6%. Interest rating coming down well and truly halted.

The last time the 10 year bond price was above 4.6% was about 2008 in the GFC.

They hit us with one of the largest tax rises in history in the budget. But even that is not enough as they are losing control of spending.

Where we are heading does not look good. Time to batten down the hatches.

ChallahPlaiter · 18/12/2024 10:52

Nordione1 · 18/12/2024 10:42

We are spending like we are a rich country. We aren't any more. Apparently we have been living off the remnants of the wealth earned from the Empire for the last century and that is now finally running out. Scary.

I think the UK is definitely still affected by its post-colonial status. However, there’s no reason we can’t remain a wealthy country. We have a lot of potential in terms of technological industry. We also have increasing inequality of resources which, if distributed more evenly, could alleviate a lot of the issues we face - for example poor health, housing, lowering life expectancy and a faltering educational system.

MovingBird123 · 18/12/2024 10:55

Hardworking family, getting by on combined income of about 40k. This government has only caused problems for us. Landlord putting pressure, we'll need to move somewhere smaller. Mum aged 70 can't afford to stop full time work, loses winter fuel allowance. Threats of redundancies, pay freezes, pay cuts at work due to VAT on school fees.

I also note that private schools do not want to pass the entire additional cost onto parents, and cutting down within the school too to absorb some of the hit. This affects the scholarship places. This affects all the outreach programmes my school puts on (for free) for kids from the local area due to unique facilities. Everyone loses out.

ChallahPlaiter · 18/12/2024 10:57

Ytcsghisn · 18/12/2024 10:21

These are all Mickey Mouse soundbites at best. Not actual policies.

Public sector pay increases are simply inflationary, since the public sector is even less productive than it was 5 years ago. If you put more more into something without better output, that’s not smart: it’s stupid. But really, it was a bribe for union support, paid for through tax increases.

The same goes for the NHS. Which is basically a black hole that badly run with poor outcomes.

‘plans’ for houses is just a nonsense way of saying that labour have done a load of talking and no delivering. No actual houses have been built and there is no way on this earth that they actually will. To reach that target they need to build 300k a year. And that not even incremental. It’s adding to what’s already being built.

GB energy is another nonsense soundbite. Unless labour are going to r
release more hot air to add these soundbites, where is energy coming from? We are not building more nuclear power stations, nor fracking. Nor drilling for oil. GB energy will be yet another taxpayer funded bloated public sector organization to funnel more taxes away to government cronies.

Could you expand on what you see as the decreased productivity of the public sector?

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