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To be worried about what the Labour government will do next?

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Scenicgirl · 17/12/2024 22:46

Let's be honest, Labour has been a massive disappointment for this country, pissing off the pensioners with taking away the WFA, the farmers, NI changes which impact employers, immigration etc and today refusing compensation to the WASPI women after they ridiculed the Conservatives when they didn't commit to a solution. Don't we deserve better than this constant shit show of lies and deceptions which were clearly spouted out purely to gain power?
For the 1st time in my life, I worry about where we are heading.

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lonelyplanetmum · 18/12/2024 09:36

As a post script to my own list of positives I just asked chat gpt:

Since taking office in July 2024, Prime Minister Keir Starmer’s Labour government has initiated several policies aimed at addressing key public concerns:

Economic Measures:
Public Sector Pay Increases: The government agreed to raise public-sector wages by 5% to 7%, resolving ongoing industrial disputes and ending strikes in sectors like healthcare and transportation.
Minimum Wage Increase: The October 2024 budget announced a 6.7% increase in the National Minimum Wage, bringing it to £12.21 per hour, effective from April 2025.
Investment in Public Services: Significant funding boosts were outlined, including a £22.6 billion increase in the health budget and £6.7 billion for education, focusing on infrastructure improvements and service delivery.

Social Policies:
Workers’ Rights Enhancements: The government implemented substantial reforms, such as immediate protection against unfair dismissal and the right to request flexible working arrangements, aiming to improve employment conditions nationwide.
Housing Initiatives: Plans to construct 1.5 million homes and ease planning restrictions have been set in motion to address housing shortages and affordability issues.
Ban on No-Fault Evictions: Legislation was introduced to prohibit no-fault evictions, enhancing security for tenants in the private rental sector.

Energy and Environment:
Establishment of Great British Energy: A state-owned company was created to invest in green energy projects, reflecting the government’s commitment to sustainable energy and reducing carbon emissions.
Lifting Ban on Onshore Wind Turbines: The government lifted the ban on onshore wind turbines, promoting renewable energy development and aiming to lower energy costs in the long term.

Overall, Labour’s initial period in government has been marked by a focus on economic reforms, social policies, and environmental initiatives, with varying degrees of progress and public reception.

Nordione1 · 18/12/2024 09:37

ChallahPlaiter · 18/12/2024 09:31

To be fair it wasn’t exactly smart to vote for a representative who clearly never had any interest in actually representing his constituents.

I don't live in Clacton so I bow to your greater knowledge of their IQ and feelings on the subject.

Alltheprettyseahorses · 18/12/2024 09:38

ChallahPlaiter · 18/12/2024 09:31

To be fair it wasn’t exactly smart to vote for a representative who clearly never had any interest in actually representing his constituents.

Sounds just like my current Labour MP tbf. And the Labour MP before him.

(although I think it's a failure of democracy to let someone repeatedly stand for election after 7? failed attempts all around the country, there needs to be a point where we say no, you've had your chance to ve an MP)

MushMonster · 18/12/2024 09:38

Nordione1 · 18/12/2024 08:55

The NHS is not underfunded. We are a healthservice with a country attached. It is the biggest employer in the world after the Chinese army. It's badly set up, badly run and there are too many people in the country.

And don't call people "moron". It's rude and ineffective in making your point.

@Hyperbowl is right. I have seen with my very eyes people waiting for ages with broken hips or other bones, before making it to hospital. This is not an NHS with a country attached. This is extremely bad management by the government. It is not even about money, with that I agree, it is about poor poor management. We are not encouraging enough people to get into medicine, we are not giving the nurses, ambulance staff, doctors good working conditions, we have far too many managerial roles in it. Last time my DD was in A&E, she was seen by a nurse whose supervisor or whatever was just there and she was a PITA. Harrassing the nurse for having stepped out two paces, while holding door, into waiting room and calling my DD, who was just there. Because she did not close the door, she held it for 30 seconds. Now, the supervisor was on a standing desk just by the door! So was Security. Useless. And we pay for this....
NHS is losing lots of money having to get staff from agencies. In my opinion, we would better ban any medicine practice that is not in the NHS. No private GPs, specialists, hospitals, dentists,, whatever. They would only be allowed to provide medical and pharmaceutical services within the NHS. They would have to work for the NHS, at NHS rates. Nothing of this of making a fortune off people's misfortune and illnesses. Yes to them having a good wage that reflects how much they do for us. No to the NHS paying 3 or 4 times the rate to benefit any private company or individual.

Bettyboo111 · 18/12/2024 09:39

Scenicgirl · 18/12/2024 09:25

You are wrong when you say the NHS is underfunded as though this is something new. It is collapsing now because of the extra numbers they have to treat, which it simply was not designed for, the increasing needs of an ageing population with greater complex needs, the after effects of of Covid-19 pandemic, inability to retain specialist staff, low staff morale and too many people in highly paid jobs who have meetings about meetings, all just the tip of an iceberg as this isn't new, the service has faced years of inadequate planning.

AND PLEASE DO NOT CALL ME A MORON!

Unfortunately, the general public has a blind spot when it comes to social care/NHS role and what the country can quite frankly afford. Labour briefly attempted to nudge the pensioners and look at the uproar.
Globally governments that promised pensions and healthcare till death are seeing their economies wiped out by this burden.

ReignOfError · 18/12/2024 09:41

Haven’t RTFT, but my tuppenceworth:

I’m a mid-50s born woman so one of those affected by the pension age changes, and no, I didn’t get a letter about the speeding up of the process. But even living overseas, I knew the changes were happening - it was all over the media, it showed when I checked my pension forecast. I genuinely have no idea how others didn’t know. I may not have liked the change, but that’s a different conversation about a different government.

Similarly, I’ve lost my winter fuel allowance. I would have preferred the government did a proper impact assessment, which would have led to a tapered cut off, I think, which would clearly have been better for many. But it’s wrong that those who don’t need it ever got it at all.

Ditto the IHT changes. Most farmers aren’t affected, and I’ve no sympathy for the Clarksons and Dysons who bought land as a tax-avoidance measure.

There are several government policies that I disapprove of - aspects of the Devolution white paper, it’s right-wing rhetoric around immigration, it’s economic philosophy - but there’s never been a government I fully approve of, and, as yet, it’s too early to decide if this one will be effective.

What it does need to sort out is its communication team, who are pure shite, and an effective narrative to be communicated.

ChallahPlaiter · 18/12/2024 09:41

Nordione1 · 18/12/2024 09:35

I think the bookies have Nigel Farage on as the next PM. Who knows anyway. I just wouldn't bet on the status quo these days. Who would predict on 2015 we would be out of the EU a few years later.

Reform are concerning as they have no one with government experience (and also obviously need to make sure they get rid of any wrong sorts). If more Conservatives defect that would change. I don't think this country would vote for an extremist party. I just think the centre ground has shifted left so views that used to be considered pretty centrist are now considered more right wing. People don't like being accused of facisim if they hold views that most people would consider mainstream (eg immigration being top of the list of priorities as well as the economy). If Labour and the Conservatives don't seem to be effective in managing it many people will look elsewhere.

I completely agree with your points. The only thing I would say is that I don’t see mass Conservative defection as very likely. For one thing there aren’t that many Conservative MPs these days to make a material difference - even if half of them defected, that would only be 60 people. Their numbers in local politics are also dwindling and as I say, they’re losing their traditional supporter base.
I believe - correct me if I’m wrong - that there was only the one poll showing Reform currently more popular than Labour or the Conservatives and that was by a relatively unknown polling company. But as you rightly say, a lot can change and we’ve seen surprising events over the last decade. We have to hold on to hope that we can withstand and resist Reform because if they held power, that would certainly end democracy as we know it.

Nordione1 · 18/12/2024 09:42

Alltheprettyseahorses · 18/12/2024 09:38

Sounds just like my current Labour MP tbf. And the Labour MP before him.

(although I think it's a failure of democracy to let someone repeatedly stand for election after 7? failed attempts all around the country, there needs to be a point where we say no, you've had your chance to ve an MP)

That did make me laugh. Its a failure of democracy to FAIL to ban someone from standing?!

Diomi · 18/12/2024 09:42

ChallahPlaiter · 18/12/2024 09:35

I’m sure you understood the spirit of the previous post rather than worrying about semantics. I’m equally sure you don’t genuinely think anyone is advocating for the loss of specialised state education in favour of a quasi-communist system.

I completely understood the spirit of their post. ‘Fuck private schools’ gave it away. It might not be so clear if it isn’t directed at you. Of course I know they don’t actually want the same education for everyone. They are bound to be as hypocritical as everyone else.

MushMonster · 18/12/2024 09:43

@lonelyplanetmum thanks so much for taking proper time to reply to this.
It is tough, but it is what is needed and it is what is was sold, with the persons that sold it to us in charge.

Alltheprettyseahorses · 18/12/2024 09:44

Lol at that nonsense chat gpt list, especially now new train strikes have been announced. I remember Badenoch telling Rayner why the housebuilding scheme wouldn't work, she got that right.

I don't think the WASPIs had a case myself. But what does concern me is that the government ignored the ombudsman's decision. We've already seen plenty of how they don't like to be held accountable, this proves that they will ignore everything.

Vaxtable · 18/12/2024 09:46

Those of us who remember last time they were in are not surprised by the performance to date, lots more to come

ChallahPlaiter · 18/12/2024 09:47

Nordione1 · 18/12/2024 09:37

I don't live in Clacton so I bow to your greater knowledge of their IQ and feelings on the subject.

That comment isn’t worthy of you. I’ve enjoyed debating with you, you have some interesting viewpoints.

BIossomtoes · 18/12/2024 09:48

I remember Badenoch telling Rayner why the housebuilding scheme wouldn't work, she got that right.

There hasn’t been enough time to judge who was right.

Alltheprettyseahorses · 18/12/2024 09:49

Nordione1 · 18/12/2024 09:42

That did make me laugh. Its a failure of democracy to FAIL to ban someone from standing?!

Yes it is. Everyone should have a chance to stand for election. But not 7 times failed carpetbaggers - that makes a total mockery of the system.

ChallahPlaiter · 18/12/2024 09:50

Alltheprettyseahorses · 18/12/2024 09:38

Sounds just like my current Labour MP tbf. And the Labour MP before him.

(although I think it's a failure of democracy to let someone repeatedly stand for election after 7? failed attempts all around the country, there needs to be a point where we say no, you've had your chance to ve an MP)

Totally agree. I can’t understand elected MPs who refuse to interact with their constituents. I don’t think they should be allowed to just ignore people, with the obvious exceptions of those who are abusive/violent. It baffles me when I hear about constituents not receiving responses from their MPs or even being blocked when the actual job is to represent.

lonelyplanetmum · 18/12/2024 09:50

So to answer the question I'm not worried about what Labour will do next. However I'm extremely worried that all the positive changes will be ignored and the press & the electorate will focus on any negative that can be found, ignoring the many positives. It was always thus, that Labour are held to a much higher standard than the Tories.

My own personal theory is the differing responses are a legacy of our class system. The Tories are ( foolishly) trusted as they are like the squire or the guv'nor who we doff our cap to because they must have the servants interests at heart surely ( except they don't). Whereas Labour are more vulnerable to criticism as one of us!

Alltheprettyseahorses · 18/12/2024 09:52

BIossomtoes · 18/12/2024 09:48

I remember Badenoch telling Rayner why the housebuilding scheme wouldn't work, she got that right.

There hasn’t been enough time to judge who was right.

6 months down the line and no houses built when they needed to hit the ground running rather than hit the ground and go splat but environmental protections ripped up anyway. There's been plenty of time unfortunately.

ChallahPlaiter · 18/12/2024 09:52

Diomi · 18/12/2024 09:42

I completely understood the spirit of their post. ‘Fuck private schools’ gave it away. It might not be so clear if it isn’t directed at you. Of course I know they don’t actually want the same education for everyone. They are bound to be as hypocritical as everyone else.

Oh I think even a pleb like me is capable of deciphering the meaning behind the phrase “fuck private schools”!

You’re leaning very heavily on the language and ignoring the wider point.

bigkidatheart · 18/12/2024 09:54

Voted tories

things were beginning to improve

don't trust starmer or his side kick one bit

complete let down

lonelyplanetmum · 18/12/2024 09:59

MushMonster · 18/12/2024 09:43

@lonelyplanetmum thanks so much for taking proper time to reply to this.
It is tough, but it is what is needed and it is what is was sold, with the persons that sold it to us in charge.

No problem. I rarely post these days. However (as in the US) many of the electorate here deliberately choose to focus on any negative and ignore a fuller detailed analysis because that aligns with their partisan perspectives.

HopeMumsnet · 18/12/2024 10:01

Hi all,
We are posting to remind everyone that troll-hunting is not allowed on our boards. In many ways it's as tiresome as a troll themselves because the repetitious accusations prevent other more sanguine MNers from engaging with the topic at hand. And of course, if the OP is trolling, then to cause such friction on the boards is precisely what gets their troll rocks off.
In this instance, we see a provocative opening post that everyone is at liberty either to engage with or to ignore. Any concerns, as ever, should have been reported to MNHQ via the reports button.

Wond3747 · 18/12/2024 10:03

bigkidatheart · 18/12/2024 09:54

Voted tories

things were beginning to improve

don't trust starmer or his side kick one bit

complete let down

Um in what way anywhere were things beginning to improve under the Tories?🤣

Wond3747 · 18/12/2024 10:05

Immigration, NHS , education, social care, the environment, our water system, public transport, roads, housing, the economy….. all plummeted consistently throughout the Tory 14 years and were continuing to do so at an alarming rate.

lonelyplanetmum · 18/12/2024 10:06

Um in what way anywhere were things beginning to improve under the Tories?🤣

Good question.

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