Part 2 Sara Sharif case-update-horrifying

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Sara Sharif case - update - horrifying http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/amiibeingunreasonable/5208854-sara-sharif-case-update-horrifying

Ahead of sentencing. Original thread above.

Will they be put in isolation in prison and kept away from other prisoners? I'm not sure how it works with high profile cases like this. I pray someone is waiting to torture them inside like they did to Sara

I don't understand why the courts took her from her mum? What happened here? Should she have been in foster care if concerns about both, think I missed something.

Where on earth have you got that from? I work with loads of successful Muslim women and they are supported and loved! That comment is a little ignorant, how many do you know?

Yes they will be protected and segregated. They won’t come into contact with any other prisoner (even the meek, elderly, cowardly child sex offenders who are housed in protection units).

Down the line when the media has forgotten Sara, they might eventually go to a protective wing with the rapists and molesters, but this won’t be anytime soon.

This is why the people wishing for them to have a hard time in prison are, unfortunately, hoping for something that is very unlikely to happen.

I had a feeling that would be the case, and that makes me so so so angry that they will be protected.

The level of protection will be huge. In my experience, they’ll be in a unit where there’s a locked gate to a locked door, to a locked lobby, to a locked corridor, to a locked cell…literally layers of protective measures to keep them safe.

I don’t think many people care whether these two (three?) live or die, but they segregate them for the smooth running of the prison - basically, to avoid riots and a murder in prison grounds.

All meals will be delivered to them, medical staff will do “home calls”, laundry done for them. They’ll have a TV/books etc available and will have a larger cell as they’ll spend their whole day there.

They'll lock the prison down for visits or agent meetings (meetings with their lawyers if they appeal their sentence) to protect them from others. Even staff contact is limited as I suppose there’s always potential that they could cause harm too.

It’s shit, but that’s the reality. They’re in zero danger.

I wasn’t aware that they thought Sara was a jinn/demon. That’s awful and explains a lot.

I doubt they genuinely believed she was a demon but they probably repeated the narrative to each other to try and justify their barbaric actions.

I could absolutely believe the wider family was on board with this. It would help explain the relative lack of outcry from them about what happened to their niece.

Exactly. They just didn’t want the heat and the spotlight on them.

I’m yet to hear the grandfather speak out against his son and express sadness for Sara’s murder.

Try telling that to YouTube /daily mail, every time I go on there I’m appalled the amount of people who think they are sympathising with Sara by leaving racist comments under her news story.

Or maybe they don’t think that they are sympathising with her- they simply don’t care and are using the news as an excuse.

I mean it’s not as if there are ever any white, Black, mixed race couples etc in the news for child murder - it’s just Pakistani 🙄

As someone who used to work in social services I think we have a big issue worldwide in society not acknowledging and accepting how widespread child abuse is

I don't think 'they' thought she had a Jinn, it was only Benaish listening to the summing up by the judge.

The summing up describes the 'campaign of torture' Sara suffered, it is despicable and beyond the realms of understanding. I don't think anything can explain why they did what they did, as that's just excusing them. They are brutal, sadistic, the cruelty is unimaginable.

I said upthread I don’t believe they thought she had a jinn either but personally I don’t think anyone who suggests that is necessarily justifying or excusing it.

Because even if they did think that - surely that’s part of the abuse itself? To be telling a young girl she’s a demon is very abusive and horrific.

There was zero excuse for their evil and inhumanity. This poor child 💔 what a life she had.

Not a racist comment at all. A lazy and uneducated statement. Many Pakistani males value women a lot less. Both their wifes and daughters. We see it on our streets everyday. Women not allowed near other men limiting their social life. Covering their faces against their wishes. Prevented from working. Conditioned to note that the men are superior. Until this is recognised and addressed then there is always going to be situations where women in their community are abused. Because theyre viewed as worthless. I stand by my comment that had their child been male this would not have happened. What happened to that poor girl is beyond appalling.

How do you actually know? This is untrue! You don't actually know or have spoken to any.

Just because you've seen a woman down the road wearing a hijab does not mean she's oppressed.

Unfortunately I do think you need to get involved in your local community and interact with people from different cultures because what you are saying is false. Yes there are sexist misogynistic people in every culture (Andrew Tate anyone?) but the majority of Muslim families treat their daughters equally and encourage all to be educated to a high level.

It's a classic but extreme case of scapegoating one member of a family for the whole families problems, spoken and unspoken.

It's got nothing to do with race.

Making a generalised prejudiced comment about nearly 2 billion Muslims or 250 million Pakistani people is what’s lazy and uneducated.

Sara was targeted because she was female yes but that’s a misogynistic trait across all cultures. The judge said one of the factors was because Sara wasn’t Beinash’s child, which gave Urfan carte blanche to target her. Urfan had 2 daughters with Beinash who were not abused.

Also note Sara’s older brother (Olga’s son) was old enough to have his own car so would have been more difficult to target.

You've just said yourself that she was targeted as a female. And my reference to the son was hypothetical. Ie, if he had a son the same age as Sara. Of course there is misogynistic traits across all cultures. But we know this misogyny is a lot more prevalent in the Pakastani community. And I didn't say ALL Pakastsni families, but many families do look upon females to be the inferior sex, especially the men, and to suggest otherwise is brushing the problem under the carpet, and allowing schools to turn a blind eye to issues due to 'cultural differences'.

And some families from EVERY culture see women as inferior!! "We" don't know anything of the sort! I hope you start mingling with people from different cultures and educate yourself from your sweeping and unfortunately racist generalisations.

I should imagine they will both request to be segregated. Child murderers aren't particularly popular inside.

So in essence they've got away with it

Apart from being locked in a cell for 23 hours a day until they are old, and in Urfan’s case, probably the end of his natural life.

They can stew in their own misery.

There isn’t really any actual justice for the prolonged ill treatment and loss of life of a child, so incarceration that keeps them away from any other potential victim, and robs them of meaningful life will do for me.

She will be away from her children.

He will be away from people he can abuse.

Very sad also for the other children who witnessed everything - will they be getting help to prevent abuse being perpetuated and there are twins with special needs who need continuity of care.

I felt the judge did an excellent and well though out summary pre sentencing and by giving the "uncle" a long sentence he was indicating that people who do not step in to stop evil are as guilty (as we have seen happening with historic insitutional abuse cases)

Yes, she was targeted because she was a small female child that was not the step-mother's and easy to treat like a ragdoll.

Your hypothetical scenario makes no sense especially when there is evidence that Urfan and Olga had previously abused their 2 male children as well.

This case is huge news because it's vanishingly rare. Pakistani parents do not love and treasure their children any less than white parents.

The school did not turn a blind eye to to Sara, they did everything correctly. If anything social services are to blame for using cultural differences to their favour by assuming a Pakistani woman would be a mother earth figure who would coddle her step-child.

Until this is recognised and addressed then there is always going to be situations where women in their community are abused

We live in a deeply misogynistic world, unfortunately there is and has always been women in the Pakistani community, in the White British community, in the Black British community, the Afro-carribean community, in the Polish community and so on who will be abused.

There is literally an epidemic of male violence against women and children worldwide. We need to focus on tackling all of it.

If you remove Pakistani families from the statistics do you think there would be no or little abuse against women? Or against female children? If so you’re deluded. Look at all the MN posters of all cultural background who speak about the many ways their male partners treat them!

Sorry what you’ve said about it not happening to a boy is patently untrue. I saw Pakistani boys in the care system due to neglect or abuse. If they had remained within their families it could easily have been them making the news headline now.

Is it more likely to happen to girls? Possibly but to say it won’t happen to boys is a stretch. You simply don’t know that.

The irony is people who are quick to make this about the Pakistani community would get angry if they thought more resources were being put into following up allegations of abuse in South Asian families. They would be all like “what about OUR kids” 😏