Part 2 Sara Sharif case-update-horrifying

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Sara Sharif case - update - horrifying http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/amiibeingunreasonable/5208854-sara-sharif-case-update-horrifying

Ahead of sentencing. Original thread above.

I do hope the other prisoners give themna taste of their own medicine.

RIP beautiful girl.

This is one case where social services should have been able to save her. Many social workers are young and inexperienced but surely there should have been a senior social worker who could have taken her into care. Her headteacher was lovely and talking about how bubbly little Sara was but it wouldn’t have been hard to talk the child and find out what horror she was suffering at home. Poor dear sweet little girl.

@PomandersandRedRibbon

I agree but I think it comes down to a lack of evidence of sadism. The judge said Sara was tortured but specifically that it was not sadistic.

I guess he didn’t have an outright smoking gun showing the couple enjoyed what they were doing to meet the definition of a sadistic murder for sentencing. Especially as it wasn’t sexual, and as he felt the murder wasn’t premeditated.

Therefore stating they derived pleasure from the murder might be a hard bar to reach without direct evidence showing them getting gratification.

@Sunshineandoranges I hate the young and inexperienced angle the council seem to be pushing. I think they’re taking advantage of that inexperienced social worker, ie as a scapegoat. Prior to them even starting employment with the council, other social workers were involved with that family and didn’t do much. So it seems to be an institutional issue that they’re trying to drop at the feet of the newer hire.

Where can I access the summing up please?

https://www.youtube.com/live/t38IjZs-Q2A?si=8Vq2CK88WYfyrvVM

EDIT: sorry that didn’t embed like I wanted. Just copy & paste into your browser.

Do you mean the sentencing/summing up from today?...
It's on you tube, just search her name and look for the ones that are about an hour long

What's the story with the victims mother? I thought she'd died but I believe she was in court for the sentencing.

Thank you

@Sunshineandoranges given that neither the judge nor guardian objected to the previous social workers recommendation for Sara to go to live with dad in the first place, and that the later referral(s) didn't progress, how exactly do you think a senior social worker could have taken her into care?
I recall reading that one referral from school was closed down after 6 days. If so, its quite possible it didn't even result in an assessment or a visit (all assessments require at least one visit, usually more, so to complete an assessment, write it up, get a management decision and close it down within 6 days seems unlikely)

@crockofshite I think she moved back to Poland at some point as Sara was laid to rest in Poland

@crockofshite Sara lived with mum until 2019, but there were a lot of concerns for her in that period, both when she was with Sharif and separated. It's unclear how she can't about to be staying with Sharif (appears to have been between the parents, not social services) but when Sharif applied to have Sara live with him permanently/ full time, mum didn't oppose it in court.

Sara's older sibling had alleged that mum had bitten and hit them, and was observed to be frightened of her. I've read that mum was vulnerable, certainly a victim of domestic abuse, possibly had some learning disability though not sure where I read that.

It is horrific I'm listening now, I think the judge only just kept it together when he was describing the violence and the means of violence.

I hope the children in Pakistan are brought home soon. The only reason the Grandfather will want them for is their passports and money.

It's clear the Uncle never came to study, his way into the country was the post grad, he didn't do it for long.

I just can't get my head around how anybody could be so sick as to torture their own child.
The social worker who recommended the child to live with her father should be held accountable for his/her actions.

Horrific and so depressing. I also hope the kids are brought back from the grandfathers in Pakistan. He hasn’t condemned his son or anything afaik, which makes me think the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree.

He didn't bite her. He gave his teeth impressions to prove this ... his wife did not.
It wasn't a baseball bat. It was a cricket bat.
Burning or scalding, not both.
I'm disappointed our social care system didn't protect Sara, and the other children let down by society.

Poor baby just wanted love. I know of at least two couples in London who have tried for over 5 years to adopt, the system is broken fucking broken.

The judge said that the only reason they returned to UK was because of pressure exerted by the Pakistani family.

@ByQuaintAzureWasp the judge said the family pressured them due to the amount of attention/pressure they were drawing to the family though, not out of any concern for their wrongdoing or concern for Sara.

Judges in case of Sara Sharif have no right to anonymity

www.thetimes.com/article/8730db38-8680-4897-ae96-8bbedeb31cd0?shareToken=dbb62cbfcbd0da8ce554034636f28e69

This is a really interesting point. Some things I picked up on to suggest a motive from the judge:

• Batool sent messages to her sisters about how she thought Sara was a “Jinn”. I believe this means a demon in Islamic. They told Batool to read the Quran.

• Sara was singled out for the abuse due to parentage & gender, she was an outcast in that household.

• Sara’s older brother was also involved - although his role in the physical abuse is not clear, what was clear is that he was aware of the abuse and bullied her.

• Sharif made it clear to her brother, that he is superior to Sara.

So it’s possible that the wider family including Malik, Batool’s sisters and Urfan’s father, were of the same opinion that Sara was a Jinn and that the beatings were to deal with some demon. It was a witch-hunt essentially, possibly culturally-related? I don’t know how seriously people take “Jinns” but it’s possible this crazy family that cover up child abuse, encourage women to stay with abusive men, and help murders go into hiding, were on board with the demon story.

This isn’t a thread for racists to opportunistically use a little girl’s death for their own purposes.

The vast majority of Pakistani parents love their daughters and sacrifice a lot for them.

There were other female children in the household who were treated well. They scapegoated Sara, partly as she wasn't Batools, partly because she was a girl, but it seems they just took a dislike to her and wanted a scapegoat

The jinn comment was mentioned once, it doesn't appear to have been something the parents were focused on or genuinely believed but more about her being 'othered'.

These kind of dynamics happen in other households too, including white western ones. There have been enough cases in the news of child deaths recently, before anyone claims that I'm minimising a 'racial element'

Thanks, I didn't realise Sara's mum was polish. I guess that explains the glamorous photo compared to the one of her head covered in a scarf.