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sitting in costa coffee

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IveGotToGoToMeDads · 14/12/2024 15:26

Went to costa coffee ordered drinks, sandwiches & cake. Myself & partner said we will eat in rather than take away. Place was full most seats were taken apart from a four seater table where some woman was sat. I asked if the seats on her table were taken and she said we can not sit on her table as she is with her DS.
In the end a chinese couple offered their seats and we eventually got a seat.
AIBU expecting a seat on womans table for me and my partner as no one was sat in them?

OP posts:
steff13 · 14/12/2024 21:45

You certainly shouldn't sit on a table anywhere. That is antisocial behavior.

I don't know that I understand the situation; was her son not actually with her and she was just sitting there by herself? If her son was with her what if they decided to get together for coffee and have a chat and they didn't want some randos listening in?

WearyAuldWumman · 14/12/2024 21:50

wombat15 · 14/12/2024 21:25

Of course they are allowed to do this but unreasonable to tell people in groups that they can't reserve a seat because you are not able to.

The problem is when someone on their own has waited patiently for their food knowing that there are (for example) three tables left - suddenly loses the possibility of a seat after they've already picked up their food because two or three groups have come in simultaneously and have "bagged" all three tables.

The most equitable systems that I've seen are where you order and are given a table number that you can use to mark your table, or where tables are allocated on entry.

If the cafe has no such system in place, then it seems reasonable that someone who has already purchased food should normally be able to sit at spare seats at a table. As I've said in previous posts, round my way older folk in particular will often offer others the chance to sit down. ETA It's seldom the case that the folk standing will ask.

ilovesooty · 14/12/2024 21:53

ChristmasfoodisOverrated · 14/12/2024 21:40

Not everybody can guarantee a table though. Somebody on their own, a parent with young dcs etc. We all know that unless somebody sits to keep it, rightly, or wrongly, it isn't guaranteed. This is the way it is, unless the policy is changed. We are all well aware of this when we go into these places. Tbh, if it is really busy even people who have someone to sit there, are lucky to find somewhere.
The only way to guarantee a table in a busy time, is to go somewhere you're seated. Getting upset after the fact is silly imo.

Edited

Who's upset?

@WearyAuldWumman if anyone castigates you for that very moving post it says more about them than about you.

ChristmasfoodisOverrated · 14/12/2024 21:57

@ilovesooty well op clearly, and some others on this thread. 🤷🏼‍♀️

NoahsTortoise · 14/12/2024 22:07

I wouldn't expect to just join a stranger's the anywhere tbh. The table was occupied.

XenoBitch · 14/12/2024 22:09

NoahsTortoise · 14/12/2024 22:07

I wouldn't expect to just join a stranger's the anywhere tbh. The table was occupied.

Yep, when I go into a cafe, I do a quick scan at the tables. If there are none/few free, I leave and go elsewhere. I don't order something and stand there with a cat's bum mouth expecting someone to shift just for me. And I would never ask to join someone.

Manara · 14/12/2024 22:11

WearyAuldWumman · 14/12/2024 20:14

Café etiquette threads never seem to go well in MN.

Round my way - as I think I've said upthread - older people in particular will tend to offer up spare seats when they see people in need. I can't recall many instances of people having to ask.

Maybe there are different attitudes in different generations and different generations.

Many years ago, I spent a term in Leningrad (as it then was) while I was a university student. My birthday landed very early in my stay. I decided to treat myself by having lunch out in Nevsky Prospekt.

There was a queue - hardly unusual in the Soviet Union. The Head Waiter came out and said that there was a place for one...so I got in.

I was discomfited to find that I was being led to a table with a family of five - Mum, Dad and three children. The Head Waiter made it clear that no one had any choice in the matter and I was worried about intruding - they were halfway through lunch.

God bless them, the parents welcomed me with a smile. I thanked them and the father insisted that I have some of the blackcurrant juice that they'd purchased.

They were Azeris from Baku and seemed delighted to be sharing their table with a hapless student from Scotland. I recall that they said that I really should visit Baku some day. They were lovely folk.

I doubt that the same would happen in modern day Petersburg, but for me it was an awkward situation that turned out well.

What a lovely experience ❤️

ChristmasinBrighton · 14/12/2024 22:12

XenoBitch · 14/12/2024 22:09

Yep, when I go into a cafe, I do a quick scan at the tables. If there are none/few free, I leave and go elsewhere. I don't order something and stand there with a cat's bum mouth expecting someone to shift just for me. And I would never ask to join someone.

Exactly! What sort of martyr would do that?

Manara · 14/12/2024 22:13

wombat15 · 14/12/2024 20:52

Don't complain about that specific issue.

And yet you’re fine with OP complaining about a single person taking a table 🙄

Mercury2702 · 14/12/2024 22:14

Yeah that’s weird af asking a stranger to sit at their table.

Might have been the only space when she went in and if she’s paid and there first, she’s entitled to that space

IHaveNeverLivedintheCastle · 14/12/2024 22:16

XenoBitch · 14/12/2024 21:10

I have been that person because at the time, it was the only table free.

And did you make a fuss if anyone dared to share it?

I simply cannot comprehend the prissy attitude of the posters on MN who are so up themselves that they can't share a table in somewhere like Costa.

IHaveNeverLivedintheCastle · 14/12/2024 22:19

CandiedPrincess · 14/12/2024 21:10

Last time I checked, I lived in the real world. I have never once asked to share a table, if there's no seats, there's no seats, bad luck. People can ask me, but if I am with my kids I'd probably say no.

Well aren't you charming. It's so ridiculously prissy.

XenoBitch · 14/12/2024 22:19

IHaveNeverLivedintheCastle · 14/12/2024 22:16

And did you make a fuss if anyone dared to share it?

I simply cannot comprehend the prissy attitude of the posters on MN who are so up themselves that they can't share a table in somewhere like Costa.

Someone did! A trio sat on my table and kept talking to me about the food I was eating. At the time, I was struggling with eating issues (namely eating in front of anyone... I still have a hard time with it now). They were rude to think I owed them interaction.
When strangers have sat with me, they don't leave me be. They want to talk. I don't want that. And please don't say to not go and sit in a cafe if I don't want someone to talk to me. I need to get out, but I need my space too.

IHaveNeverLivedintheCastle · 14/12/2024 22:20

ChristmasfoodisOverrated · 14/12/2024 21:14

They either go when it is quiet, or if it is busy, they ask them to take away if nothing is available.

Edited

Oh yes of course they should. Heaven forfend that any of the table hoggers should be asked to share a table.

Manara · 14/12/2024 22:21

IHaveNeverLivedintheCastle · 14/12/2024 22:16

And did you make a fuss if anyone dared to share it?

I simply cannot comprehend the prissy attitude of the posters on MN who are so up themselves that they can't share a table in somewhere like Costa.

The woman didn’t make a fuss. She simply said that the seats weren’t free as she was with her son. Her son may have been on his way.

Considering the rude way OP talks about the woman (‘some woman was sat at a table’), I wouldn’t say it was the woman on her own who was ‘up herself’ as you put it.

IHaveNeverLivedintheCastle · 14/12/2024 22:23

XenoBitch · 14/12/2024 22:19

Someone did! A trio sat on my table and kept talking to me about the food I was eating. At the time, I was struggling with eating issues (namely eating in front of anyone... I still have a hard time with it now). They were rude to think I owed them interaction.
When strangers have sat with me, they don't leave me be. They want to talk. I don't want that. And please don't say to not go and sit in a cafe if I don't want someone to talk to me. I need to get out, but I need my space too.

And please don't say to not go and sit in a cafe if I don't want someone to talk to me. I need to get out, but I need my space too.

I would never dream of saying that. It certainly is not my experience that other than "is this seat free?" "No, please take it" that I've ever been forced to engage in conversation.

Manara · 14/12/2024 22:23

IHaveNeverLivedintheCastle · 14/12/2024 22:19

Well aren't you charming. It's so ridiculously prissy.

Do you think calling people ‘prissy’ and ‘up themselves’ is charming? It isn’t, it’s rude.

Oftenaddled · 14/12/2024 22:26

I would always offer if I was alone and saw someone in OP's situation, but I would not like it at all. Still, I am a very soft touch.

I would not offer if I was with a second person who presumably might want a conversation and elbow room.

I would never ask. Tables come free fast enough.

If you do ask, you're surely allowing for the person you ask saying no.

XenoBitch · 14/12/2024 22:27

IHaveNeverLivedintheCastle · 14/12/2024 22:23

And please don't say to not go and sit in a cafe if I don't want someone to talk to me. I need to get out, but I need my space too.

I would never dream of saying that. It certainly is not my experience that other than "is this seat free?" "No, please take it" that I've ever been forced to engage in conversation.

I have had lots of people ask if a seat if free... as in they want to take the chair to another table. That is fine.
I go to cafes to be out, but be alone. I don't want someone sat with me. It ruins the whole experience for me.

IHaveNeverLivedintheCastle · 14/12/2024 22:28

WearyAuldWumman · 14/12/2024 20:14

Café etiquette threads never seem to go well in MN.

Round my way - as I think I've said upthread - older people in particular will tend to offer up spare seats when they see people in need. I can't recall many instances of people having to ask.

Maybe there are different attitudes in different generations and different generations.

Many years ago, I spent a term in Leningrad (as it then was) while I was a university student. My birthday landed very early in my stay. I decided to treat myself by having lunch out in Nevsky Prospekt.

There was a queue - hardly unusual in the Soviet Union. The Head Waiter came out and said that there was a place for one...so I got in.

I was discomfited to find that I was being led to a table with a family of five - Mum, Dad and three children. The Head Waiter made it clear that no one had any choice in the matter and I was worried about intruding - they were halfway through lunch.

God bless them, the parents welcomed me with a smile. I thanked them and the father insisted that I have some of the blackcurrant juice that they'd purchased.

They were Azeris from Baku and seemed delighted to be sharing their table with a hapless student from Scotland. I recall that they said that I really should visit Baku some day. They were lovely folk.

I doubt that the same would happen in modern day Petersburg, but for me it was an awkward situation that turned out well.

Round my way - as I think I've said upthread - older people in particular will tend to offer up spare seats when they see people in need. I can't recall many instances of people having to ask.

Same here. And I live in a city which has a reputation for its citizens supposedly being aloof. It's perfectly normal in somewhere like Costa- and it's not just older people.

IHaveNeverLivedintheCastle · 14/12/2024 22:30

Manara · 14/12/2024 22:23

Do you think calling people ‘prissy’ and ‘up themselves’ is charming? It isn’t, it’s rude.

I think the behaviour of table hoggers in cafés is rude and prissy.

Manara · 14/12/2024 22:31

IHaveNeverLivedintheCastle · 14/12/2024 22:30

I think the behaviour of table hoggers in cafés is rude and prissy.

By ‘table hogging’ you mean a single woman daring to take up a space as a paying customer. She should be bowing and scraping to couples to take her table.

XenoBitch · 14/12/2024 22:33

IHaveNeverLivedintheCastle · 14/12/2024 22:30

I think the behaviour of table hoggers in cafés is rude and prissy.

The woman in the OP was with her son on a table for 4. 50% occupancy. People sitting alone are also at 50% occupancy (tables always have 2 chairs).
If 2 people on a 4 person table are "hogging", then a lone person at a 2 person table is too.
Therefore, single people are selfish for being in cafe alone because they are preventing couples from sitting together. Bullshit, yes?
And it is not prissy to not want someone to sit with you.

TheKoalaWhoCould · 14/12/2024 22:33

TotallyTwisted · 14/12/2024 15:37

If you under-occupy a table in a busy cafe, you have to be prepared to let strangers have the spare seats IMO. So I would just have sat down and if the woman didn't like it, well, she knows where the exit is.

That is incredibly rude. You don’t know if people are waiting for someone. If they’ve just had bad news and are trying to gather themselves. If they have additional needs.

You are not entitled to a seat.

If you did that at my table my elbow would be meeting your drink.

IHaveNeverLivedintheCastle · 14/12/2024 22:34

Manara · 14/12/2024 22:31

By ‘table hogging’ you mean a single woman daring to take up a space as a paying customer. She should be bowing and scraping to couples to take her table.

I'm likely to be that single woman in a café. I probably bought a coffee and a cake. I didn't buy a table for 4.

I can't comprehend the rudeness in refusing to share the table if there are no other spaces.

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