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AIBU?

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AIBU? Boyfriends Christmas Night out

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Alessoutingname · 14/12/2024 04:34

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I’ve been with my boyfriend over a year. Both mid thirties, own homes (although he seems incapable of spending any time away from me). Mostly happy relationship apart from the fact he’s very codependent.

I don’t know if I’m feeling this way because I’m at the point where I very much need a couple of nights and days away from him or if he’s massively overstepped a personal boundary. I fear the latter.

Backstory, I don’t really like being around drunk people (I do socially drink but rarely). Grew up with an alcoholic father so I’m always on edge and generally feel unsafe around drunk men in particular as a result of my childhood.

Boyfriend comes back to mine at around 1.30am, this is fine. He’s very drunk. Gets into bed and starts the usual drunk nonsense nonstop talking and repeating himself. Mildly annoying but ok. He says something along the lines of “you best not try have s€x with me tonight,” I reply jokingly “I doubt you’d be able to get it up anyway.” For context, I was in bed with just my pants on because I was warm.

The next part is what has shocked me. He proceeded to take his boxer shorts off and intimately touch me. I told him to stop and put his boxers back on. He didn’t. He kept going. He bit my shoulder and I had to be quite forceful and state “I am not consenting to this” to make it ABUNDANTLY clear to him. Not something I ever thought I’d have to nor wanted to do.

He only stopped because I made an excuse to go downstairs. When I returned to bed he had his boxers back on but was touching me again. I ended up shouting at him.

In the end I’ve felt so uncomfortable I’ve came to my guest bedroom.

I’m upset with myself for a number of reasons. Mainly that I didn’t ring him a taxi to send him home after he made me feel so uncomfortable but I’d worry he would come to some type of harm due to his level of intoxication. I’m upset that another person who I trusted has made me feel violated in my own home, in my own bed and that I’ve felt I need to sleep in another room while he snores loudly in my lovely king sized bed!

I do love him and I’m possibly overthinking/reacting but right now I don’t ever want to be around him when he’s drunk ever again. I feel like he’s royally f#cked up and irreparably ruined our relationship.

How do I approach this in the morning? I will certainly be addressing it with him and do not want to be around him. He will be unfit to drive for a considerable time. Currently I’m thinking that I’ll be leaving him home and telling him to arrange a lift to collect his car and belongings from my home.

AIBU to feel this way?

OP posts:
Harrumphhhh · 14/12/2024 10:14

@possibleusername I can’t tell if you have a very skewed view of consent (in which case, please seek help. The Freedom course is frequently recommended) or if you’re not a genuine poster. I’ve reported your posts for MNHQ to make that decision.

SmileEachDay · 14/12/2024 10:14

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DrinkFeckArseBrick · 14/12/2024 10:15

Hope you're OK OP

What he did was sexual assault. He dexually assaulted you. All the 'he was drunk, see how he reacts today' people are just showing how engrainged misogyny is in our society (in my opinion).

It used to be ok to drive dangerously and then say 'oops sorry I was drunk' and then drunk driving became illegal and slowly attitudes have changed. I hope they will to this type of situation as well.

Being drunk is never an acceptable excuse for committing a crime. No matter how 'sorry' someone is the next day. Saying that you won't see him when he has been drinking is in my opinion papering over the cracks, he is still the type of peraon that swxually assaults people when drunk.

I like a drink, I've been drunk a million times and made some bad decisions. I've never ever bitten someone or tried to get them to have sex with me when they clearly didn't want to.

possibleusername · 14/12/2024 10:16

@SmileEachDay sorry, I am not sure taking your pants off or refusing to put them back on is sexual assault.

TimeAndTideAndButteredEggsWaitForNoMan · 14/12/2024 10:16

possibleusername · 14/12/2024 10:11

@SmileEachDay what is 'sexually touching'?Ask million people and you get million answers.

It was not conclusive from the OP first post in my option if his sexual gestures and advances where unacceptable to her because she was upset his was drunk, he came to her house so late or indeed their nature crosses a boundary which made her feel unsafe and abused. She did not refer to rape or sexual assault but rather that she needs to be loud and clear , perhaps as he was drunk. It was then the barrage of comments by others who so decisively start framing the event as rape and act of sexual violence with little qualifications.

I think you should gracefully withdraw from this discussion now, rather than continuing to double down. The OP did not consent and stated that explicitly, yet the assault continued. There is nothing more to say. Your repeated apologies for the perpetrator and blaming of the victim will be causing upset so I would bow out now. What do you gain from this? Actually, don’t tell me. I don’t want to know.

Imbusytodaysorry · 14/12/2024 10:17

Alessoutingname · 14/12/2024 04:34

TW

I’ve been with my boyfriend over a year. Both mid thirties, own homes (although he seems incapable of spending any time away from me). Mostly happy relationship apart from the fact he’s very codependent.

I don’t know if I’m feeling this way because I’m at the point where I very much need a couple of nights and days away from him or if he’s massively overstepped a personal boundary. I fear the latter.

Backstory, I don’t really like being around drunk people (I do socially drink but rarely). Grew up with an alcoholic father so I’m always on edge and generally feel unsafe around drunk men in particular as a result of my childhood.

Boyfriend comes back to mine at around 1.30am, this is fine. He’s very drunk. Gets into bed and starts the usual drunk nonsense nonstop talking and repeating himself. Mildly annoying but ok. He says something along the lines of “you best not try have s€x with me tonight,” I reply jokingly “I doubt you’d be able to get it up anyway.” For context, I was in bed with just my pants on because I was warm.

The next part is what has shocked me. He proceeded to take his boxer shorts off and intimately touch me. I told him to stop and put his boxers back on. He didn’t. He kept going. He bit my shoulder and I had to be quite forceful and state “I am not consenting to this” to make it ABUNDANTLY clear to him. Not something I ever thought I’d have to nor wanted to do.

He only stopped because I made an excuse to go downstairs. When I returned to bed he had his boxers back on but was touching me again. I ended up shouting at him.

In the end I’ve felt so uncomfortable I’ve came to my guest bedroom.

I’m upset with myself for a number of reasons. Mainly that I didn’t ring him a taxi to send him home after he made me feel so uncomfortable but I’d worry he would come to some type of harm due to his level of intoxication. I’m upset that another person who I trusted has made me feel violated in my own home, in my own bed and that I’ve felt I need to sleep in another room while he snores loudly in my lovely king sized bed!

I do love him and I’m possibly overthinking/reacting but right now I don’t ever want to be around him when he’s drunk ever again. I feel like he’s royally f#cked up and irreparably ruined our relationship.

How do I approach this in the morning? I will certainly be addressing it with him and do not want to be around him. He will be unfit to drive for a considerable time. Currently I’m thinking that I’ll be leaving him home and telling him to arrange a lift to collect his car and belongings from my home.

AIBU to feel this way?

Op I am sorry but because of your past with alcohol i feel you are confusing things.

This is who he is ,,, this is not alcohol
Yes possibly brought on by alcohol but because as you say he has his own home you already feel suffocated .
I bet you have loads of red flags in this relationship.

He is a bad one .He wouldn’t take no for an answer.

TelL him your dropping him
home today as you want time to yourself

Once he is gone deal with his car and stuff.
Don’t be fooled by his tears and the manipulation that will follow as it will.
Get strong and I really do hope you never want to see him again .
What next rape???

Brefugee · 14/12/2024 10:17

But generally I am curious if many on here feel that every time their partner - considered his a loving man and act reasonably - try to initiate sex in bed while you are not in the mood, considered as rape?

i think this was from @possibleusername (apols if not)

ANYONE who agrees with this:

  • i hope you have zero to do with any safeguarding of anyone at all including your own children
  • i hope you have zero to do with any of our legal institutions
  • you urgently need to attend training on consent
  • you are a rape apologist
Poppinjay · 14/12/2024 10:17

possibleusername · 14/12/2024 09:46

@BaronessEllarawrosaurus you are incorrect.

I didn't disagree. I just questioned the situation and asked the OP to provide some definition to what she described. These situations are highly nuanced and personal, and before everyone is rushed to give a 'rape' or 'sexual assault' verdict I only intend was for clarity.

Also for the sake of the OP. Based on her first post only (which I have responded to) I wanted to question wether she should consider her past playing part in how she feels, and the dilemma she is facing, compared with others perhaps whom may have been more accepting of their partner being a useless, unresponsive and responsible drunk. I don't know. It is for the OP to reflect.

Whether or not the OP's emotional response to the assualt was coloured by her previous life experiences is entirely irrelevant.

The boyfriend's actions were to repeatedly touch her in an intimate way in the full knowledge that she did not consent. That is sexual assault.

Bananalanacake · 14/12/2024 10:19

I also think co dependent means controlling. I wouldn't stand for a man moving into my home without my consent. And what happens if you go on a night out with your work, will he insist on joining you or stop you going.

SmileEachDay · 14/12/2024 10:20

possibleusername · 14/12/2024 10:16

@SmileEachDay sorry, I am not sure taking your pants off or refusing to put them back on is sexual assault.

You missed “intimately touching” the OP and continuing to do so when she said no.

Just stop. I’m only replying to you for the OP’s sake - she needs to hear that your victim blaming apologist nonsense is just that - nonsense.

BriannaCranston · 14/12/2024 10:21

possibleusername · 14/12/2024 10:11

@SmileEachDay what is 'sexually touching'?Ask million people and you get million answers.

It was not conclusive from the OP first post in my option if his sexual gestures and advances where unacceptable to her because she was upset his was drunk, he came to her house so late or indeed their nature crosses a boundary which made her feel unsafe and abused. She did not refer to rape or sexual assault but rather that she needs to be loud and clear , perhaps as he was drunk. It was then the barrage of comments by others who so decisively start framing the event as rape and act of sexual violence with little qualifications.

Don't be ridiculous. The OP's posts are very clear. Stop being a rape apologist. Quite frankly even if he was rubbing the OP's arm over and over again and she told him to stop and he wouldn't that still isn't acceptable. The OP is entitled to her bodily boundaries as are we all.

whathaveiforgotten · 14/12/2024 10:22

@possibleusername

sorry, I am not sure taking your pants off or refusing to put them back on is sexual assault.

How about sexually touching someone repeatedly when they have said no?

whathaveiforgotten · 14/12/2024 10:23

@possibleusername

I'm sorry for whatever has happened in your life to make you refuse to acknowledge that sexually touching someone after they've repeatedly told you to stop is sexual assault.

I hope are never in a position to advise someone who has been sexually assaulted.

I don't know what's more worrying, the idea you have daughters or sons.

BigDahliaFan · 14/12/2024 10:23

@Mumdiva99 no I think he should not have violated her trust.

turkeymuffin · 14/12/2024 10:24

whathaveiforgotten · 14/12/2024 10:23

@possibleusername

I'm sorry for whatever has happened in your life to make you refuse to acknowledge that sexually touching someone after they've repeatedly told you to stop is sexual assault.

I hope are never in a position to advise someone who has been sexually assaulted.

I don't know what's more worrying, the idea you have daughters or sons.

Most worrying that many of the people on here are eligible for jury service

category12 · 14/12/2024 10:27

I agree with those who have said this isn't co-dependency, it's controlling behaviour on his part.

He has tried to move in by stealth, he overrides your boundaries and won't give you space, and now he's attempted to rape you.

Of course he's great much of the time, but I think if he did move in and was complacent about his ownership of you, those good times would gradually reduce. It's how they get you.

Borninabarn32 · 14/12/2024 10:27

Get rid. He wanted to rape you. You made it abundantly clear. You left. He tried again when you came back. He wanted to have sex with you without your consent.

Drunk words, sober thoughts and all that.

AffableApple · 14/12/2024 10:28

turkeymuffin · 14/12/2024 10:24

Most worrying that many of the people on here are eligible for jury service

That was my thought too.

TimeAndTideAndButteredEggsWaitForNoMan · 14/12/2024 10:29

whathaveiforgotten · 14/12/2024 10:22

@possibleusername

sorry, I am not sure taking your pants off or refusing to put them back on is sexual assault.

How about sexually touching someone repeatedly when they have said no?

I am struggling to understand that poster’s mindset, whereby a woman sleeping in her bed without a top on is somehow an invitation to unwanted sex, but a man who has expressed his wish for sex approaching you and taking off his shorts is definitely not sexual.

TriciaMcMillan · 14/12/2024 10:29

Without wanting to be the thread police, I wonder if validating and supporting the OP (which I think most of us are trying to do) is best served by not giving @possibleusername any more air.

OTannenbaumOTannenbaum · 14/12/2024 10:30

I think this is awful and would make me feel unsafe. In my 15 years with DH, he's never continued after I've said no. The fact your partner kept trying would make me wonder what's he capable of.

MothralovesGojira · 14/12/2024 10:35

@Alessoutingname
At best this is sexual assault (intimate touching) and actual assault (the biting) and at worst you can possibly add in attempted rape - it's not much of leap that a man who doesn't accept a firm 'no' to touching is going to force penetration if he can.
You can not trust this man ever again after this and add it to the other red flags he's waving, he's not a keeper!
Hopefully you're currently slinging him out but I would suggest getting a friend round to help you stand firm and to 'help' him understand that it's over. Also get your locks changed and a camera if possible - this type does not go easily.

MrsElijahMikaelson1 · 14/12/2024 10:40

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Fuck sake what have I just read? Mind boggling the lengths some posters will go to, to put it back on the victim. FYI that’s victim blaming/shaming. And what the fuck is bad man supposed to mean?

GCAcademic · 14/12/2024 10:41

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category12 · 14/12/2024 10:43

I wish posters wouldn't quote the rape-apologist absolute nonsense they're complaining about, it doesn't need repeating. Call it out, sure, but don't quote it again and again.

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