People who think weight loss injections are cheating

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I've seen this viewpoint over multiple threads recently, and I'm just really curious to understand it a bit more because it makes no sense to me whatsoever.

What do you think people using the injections are cheating at?

As in - what's the competition and who are they gaining an unfair advantage over? What do you think the rules of being allowed to lose weight are/ should be?

Is it more important to you that overweight people/ those struggling with obesity lose the weight, become healthier, reduce the burden on the NHS, stop taking up more than their allocated amount of space in the world, or just stop doing whatever it is that upsets people so much about the existence of fat people -- or is it more important that they struggle and suffer whilst doing so?

Or would you secretly prefer them to remain fat so you can feel superior?

Is it that you feel you've worked really hard to either lose weight, keep it off or never put it on in the first place, so nobody else should be allowed to achieve this without the same amount of struggle?

What do you think the weight loss injections actually do, and do you not recognise that those on them are also doing all the usual things people who are trying to lose weight e.g. modify their eating, exercise etc? Does it not count that they're doing these things because it's made easier in some ways by the drug?

What types of weight loss support or tools are not 'cheating'? e.g. I used hypnosis once and it worked for a bit, to the point that I felt pretty much the same way I do with the injections i.e. reduction in food noise and compulsion to snack etc. It didn't last anything like as long, but it worked for a time - was that cheating?

Would it still be cheating if they weren't as effective as they are?

FWIW, I really couldn't care less if people think I'm cheating - who cares? Who does it impact only me and my bank balance? If someone said here, press this button and you'll be a healthy BMI overnight and stay there forever I'd press it with both hands and not give a shit about how anyone felt about it.

But it's just the logic of it that baffles me - I've never seen it as a competition and have never felt like getting to or being a healthy weight only counts if it's done in a certain way - I suppose I'm not much interested in what size anyone else is or what they do to get that way, so I can't imagine for a second ever thinking another person was 'cheating' - only ever being happy for them if they're happy and hopefully healthy too.

But from the arguments on this post 'it just curbs appetite, doesn't melt fat, you still have to make the right choices'. So which is it? Because either it is just about eating less and that's what this drug does. Or it also gives you a helping hand in other ways in which case the cheating arguments stand up a bit more

that question makes no sense. The statement of it curbs appetite, doesn’t melt fat have to make the right choices, is not a multiple choice. It is one fact. There is no either or?

I just wouldn't dream of medicating myself for life on something that I no longer need.

If you need it the above clearly doesn't apply, that ok with you?

I’m not sure why you’re being so aggressive, plenty of people are planning to stay on for life, multiple threads on it, as they risk regaining. I’m not sure why you’re so aggressive about it. It’d great you don’t need it, genuinely, but many do,

Amen op, amen.

I think it's because of the attitude that because you got yourself in this state (i.e. overweight) in the first place by being greedy and lazy,you should have to attone for your 'sins' by struggling and going without. I think also that some people think that the injections magically make you lose weight while you keep on eating as much as you like! Wrong! It kills your appetite.

I cannot understand why people wouldn't be happy, we look like we can finally bring metabolic diseases under control via this diabetes treatment.
The feedback so far as a weight loss drug is encouraging.

Gluttony and Sloth are two of the seven deadly sins

The assumption was that they were NOT exceeding 1200.

But what your saying is that in addition to being gluttonous and lazy, overweight people are also either liars or self-delusional?

gosh, you’re lovely, aren’t you?

There is no 'why'
There are no 'psychological issues'
Food esp UPF is addictive and plentiful
The end

I'm quite skinny but I'm always hungry. And not in a "oh I starve myself way" I'm just usually quite hungry loads of the time. I just don't give into that urge even though I want to. I do think about it loads though, it's a proper hard conscious effort not to be overweight. So, and I'm prepared to be lynched, I do think it's a bit cheaty but also the problems caused by obesity probably outweigh the benefits of giving the jabs. I wouldn't fancy weight loss surgery either. It is major surgery.

It’s very easy to eat more calories than you think as I’m sure most people are aware.
Im not calling anyone anything as well you know.
None of those option a b or c are true.
People just eat more calories than they burn. And it really is that simple for the vast majority.

The number of people I've encountered who think that you inject and the weight magically falls off!

There is no 'why'
As in my earlier post
There are no 'underlying psychological issues'
Food is plentiful in our society and we are designed to overeat in times of plenty through evolution

There's no 'therapy' for this, and no need for it either

Well said!

The 'cause' is the plentiful available food in our society which is often UPF and highly palatable
It's not that deep

There is a psychological reason for most things, and definately food.

it kills your appetite. So yes. The weight falls off because you aren’t eating as many calories.
So eating less and healthier becomes much easier.
Does 6 / 12 months on these jabs totally change your mindset to food for the long term / ever.
Im going to bet no for most. Once the jabs have stopped and the hunger returns the weight will return.

I sometimes think, would people say that someone trying to come off heroin and using methadone was cheating? Probably not. Overeating,in my humble opinion,is as much of an addiction as drugs, smoking and alcohol.

So suddenly people can count the numbers on the back of food packages and add them together once they start taking the jabs? Well, fuck me, we’ll all become mathematical geniuses when we start taking this stuff.

I would be worried about the long-term effects on the body. I prefer healthy eating and running. Makes one feel better too!

I think we’ve got them all now.. or have we missed any? I don’t think we’ve had Sharon Osborne yet?

As has been said and repeated ad nauseum on this thread and others: most of us were eating healthily and exercising before taking these medications (some of us were qualified fitness in structors) and continue to do so on them, but I’m glad it worked for you. Shame it doesn’t seem to have done much for your empathy for those for whom it doesn’t work, though.

Yeah I think they think fat people are just having a wonderful time eating whatever they feel like and they aren't suffering enough abd that's the reason they are fat.
I've been on a diet since I as 9 years old. Constant bullying, constant hatred of my body and depression, constant yo yo dieting.. going down to a size 8 then back up to obesity and back again.. never able to maintain weightloss because of the constant food noise and compulsion to binge eat. Once you've starved yourself over and over as a child you no longer know when you are full or hungry..
It is a disease in my eyes and people who think they are suffering more than fat people because they work out regularly, and eat in moderation are off their rocker.. theyve no idea. They just want someone to feel superior to.
Fat phobia is one of the last acceptable prejudices in society. People are socially allowed to project all his anger abd hatred onto fat people and they don't want to lose that by having to admit it's actually a disease and a type of eating disorder rather than people just being lazy idiots.
Now that there a 'cure' it makes it very obvious that the issue was beyond people's control. As no the injections don't magically make you lose weight if you just carry on eating the same. They just make it much easier to stick to a diet. So they level the playing field with people who never struggled with obesity and were always able to stick to a diet. It's still hard work.. you still need to do the work.. but it becomes as achievable for you as it would be for someone without obesity.

If this was the only reason, everybody would be overweight. It doesn't help, you're right, but it certainly isn't the only reason, like with any addiction.

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erm no. The jabs make you not want as much food so naturally you arnt wanting to eat many calories?
Sticking to 1200 calories is now far far easier? I thought that’s what the jab did?