To think this mother should be ashamed of herself

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly2zq1yl0ko

17yr old girl & 18 yr old boy hook up on holiday in Dubai. I believe they may have met over there. The girls mother finds messages on the girls phone when they return to the UK. The mother reports the guy to Dubai police. He gets arrested as sex with anyone under 18yrs is illegal in Dubai. He has now been sentenced to 1 year in prison.

I haven't looked into it much, as far as I can tell it was consensual, a charity called Detained in Dubai have been trying to help (legally I think).

Am I alone in thinking how bloody spiteful the mother is?!? The girl is 17 years old and I think in another report saw that she turned 18 shortly after returning.

So would you expect a 16yo boy to be convicted of rape of a 15yo girl who was a couple of months younger than him if they had consensual sex in the UK?
Because the police wouldn't be interested in the slightest.
Yes by Dubai law this boy is a rapist but you know full well that morally he has dibs nothing wrong and the tea argument is irrelevant here.

"So would you expect a 16yo boy to be convicted of rape of a 15yo girl who was a couple of months younger than him if they had consensual sex in the UK?"

Yet more whataboutery

Well in the UK it still has to be reported as a safeguarding issue but police would not prosecute in most cases.

Dubai however is a lot more Draconian and less flexible about it, they did care, so prosecuted and he is now a convicted rapist. ...
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He violated the laws of the country he was in. What the UK police would do is irrelevant. Since we are making comparisons, lets hope prisoners there are more forgiving of sex offenders than those in UK prisons...

What a nasty bit of work you sound like

I don’t care that he broke the law, how can anyone seriously think being sent to prison is justified and a sensible punishment just because he technically broke the law of a different country, lots of places have laws that get broken all the time but they use their common sense to know what is and what isn’t worth sending someone to prison for. What is actually the point in the UAE sending this boy to prison? What are they hoping to achieve from this punishment, do they think he’ll come out in a years time a better person who feels remorse for what he’s done? Or maybe instead he’ll come out a shell of his former self and probably quite bitter. Although I suppose the UAE only cares about punishment and not reformation. Anyway, our government should have done more to help this boy. He will come back to this country one day a shell of his former self and probably with mental health problems. He was silly to do this in somewhere like Dubai, probably without fully knowing/understanding crime and punishment in Dubai, but he’s 18 years old, what 18 year old hasn’t done something a bit silly or something without engaging their brain before? And as for the mother who dobbed him in, what a spiteful bitch! Don’t know how she can live with herself

This!

Can you explain what it's like in their prisons if you know?
I found out recently from a documentary what men go through in Russian prisons. They are tortured from the minute they reach.

They're both British and know only of the laws in this land from what they have been taught in school. If they had sex in London this year he would have been fine. The mother is an evil vindictive person. I hope when he returns back to the UK he rekindles the love they had on holiday. Her daughter's head is going to be fucked for the whole year going forward waiting for his return.

"They're both British and know only of the laws in this land from what they have been taught in school."

Ignorance of the law is no excuse....as has been discussed on this thread previously we would not excuse someone breaking British law on the basis whatever they did was legal in their home country...

You’re right, we wouldn’t, but we also wouldn’t think a year in prison is a suitable punishment for an 18 year old having sex with a 17 and 11 month year old.

Not so. The comment on UK law is incorrect. The ignorance of the law thing is an oft misquoted myth.

In UK criminal law, although ignorance does not clear a defendant of guilt, it should be taken into account when passing sentence. If an individual has acted unlawfully because of a misunderstanding this has to be taken into consideration.

"You’re right, we wouldn’t, but we also wouldn’t think a year in prison is a suitable punishment for an 18 year old having sex with a 17 and 11 month year old."

This is irrelevant as the offence occured in a different country who clearly decided it is. "It's ok in the UK " excuse strikes me as a little imperialist and colonial...

That’s not really what I said though is it? You said in the UK we wouldn’t see ignorance to the law as an excuse and I said true, but we also wouldn’t see this punishment as appropriate for this offence. You’re the one that mentioned the UK and I responded about the UK. There’s always someone that has to make everything about colonialism. Can you seriously hand on heart say that you think this punishment is fair?

It's nothing to do with Colonialism, it is to do with humanitarianism

And human rights! Plus womens’ rights. The daughter is a young woman and has a right for her boyfriend/lover/partner not to be in prison.

@Walkden - It’s interesting you are quick to respond to others, but ignore when it is pointed out your understanding of UK law is not correct.

It’s interesting you are quick to respond to others, but ignore when it is pointed out your understanding of UK law is not correct."

Here what is relevant is not UK law - and for all we know the sentence has also been mitigated due to the rapists " misunderstanding"

You are just being purposely obtuse, there’s no point anybody responding to you

"Can you seriously hand on heart say that you think this punishment is fair?"

I don't think it is for me judge what is "fair" or just in another country. The people and societies that exist there put their own laws and sentences in place and change them as they see fit.

I am not so arrogant as to believe that my judgement or opinions has more importance than that of the millions of people that live there....

"You are just being purposely obtuse, there’s no point anybody responding to you"

No, I am being consistent. When you live or visit a different country you are rightly subject to their laws and legal systems. The fact that ours are different is irrelevant. The lad ( or his parents) could and should have educated him on local laws and customs.

I’m not going to pretend like I wrote the below myself, but this was written by the CEO of detained in Dubai, Radha Stirling and is 100% correct.

“Tori Towey broke the law when she tried to take her own life to escape domestic abuse.

Ellie Holman “broke the law” when she consumed a glass of wine provided onboard an Emirates Airlines flight. She was charged with possession of alcohol in her blood and nothing else.

Craig Ballentine allegedly “broke the law” when he left a negative online review on a company’s page.

Stuart Quiney allegedly “broke the law” when he sent allegedly threatening emojis from Ireland to a Belgian man in Dubai

Scott Richards broke the law when he shared a children’s charity on Facebook.

Peter Clark broke the law when his blood contained residual hashish from cannabis smoked legally in Las Vegas, weeks before travel.

Laleh Shahravesh broke the law when she made a private Facebook post branding her ex husband’s new girlfriend “horse face” FROM the UK, five years before travel.

The late David Oliver broke the law when he fell into debt after being made redundant.

Jamie Harron allegedly broke the law after touching a man’s hip as he brushed past in a busy bar.

Billy Barclay allegedly broke the law after using a Scottish bank note deemed counterfeit.

Perry Coppins broke the law when his ship docked in Abu Dhabi along with his prescription medicine that he needed for his maritime security job.

Marcus Fakana allegedly broke the law for having relations with a fellow tourist one month too early.

THE LIST GOES ON!

No, we don’t abandon citizens who are facing injustice, unfair and lengthy prison sentences in an allied country who spends a fortune marketing itself as a modern, tolerant and liberal society, directly targeting Western tourists who would otherwise go to European holiday destinations.”

This + 100%.

The UK is supposed to look after its overseas.

"Marcus Fakana allegedly broke the law for having relations with a fellow tourist one month too early."

"Is one way to put it."

Another way to put it is "statutory rape of a minor"

There is no "alleged" about it as he has been found guilty and turned himself in to begin his sentence, and no one disputes that the sex took place.

And we all know that it is not a liberal society....

You haven't acknowledged anything else in what that lady wrote. Do you also think all those other people should go to jail because they technically committed a crime? It’s okay to criticise another country you know, you’re the only one on here who is accusing others of being racist/colonialist for doing so, so don’t worry no one will call you racist if you criticise Dubai.

Is it considered statuary rape of a minor in Dubai?

"Do you also think all those other people should go to jail because they technically committed a crime?"

It's not up to me whether they should go to jail and I am not familiar with their cases but I gather some of them were arrested due to suspected breaches of the law but not subsequently prosecuted.

However, I am not surprised that people drinking alcohol, taking drugs traces of which remain in systems for weeks, "accidentally" brushing against a man's hip , defaming citizens online then being stupid enough to go back to that country for holiday would end up getting arrested.

If you visit another country then you must respect their laws, even ones you consider "backwards/ unfair/ unjust/ different to our own"

All of the above examples are implied criticisms of the laws of a sovereign nation. When we represent ourselves to be above those laws because we are from a different country then I do believe that is arrogant...