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2boyzNosleep · 2024-12-11T19:57:42+00:00

[[https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly2zq1yl0ko https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly2zq1yl0ko]] 17yr old girl & 18 yr old boy hook up on holiday in Dubai. I believe they may have met over there. The girls mother finds messages on the girls phone when they return to the UK. The mother reports the guy to Dubai police. He gets arrested as sex with anyone under 18yrs is illegal in Dubai. He has now been sentenced to 1 year in prison. I haven't looked into it much, as far as I can tell it was consensual, a charity called Detained in Dubai have been trying to help (legally I think). Am I alone in thinking how bloody spiteful the mother is?!? The girl is 17 years old and I think in another report saw that she turned 18 shortly after returning.

TwistedWonder · 14/12/2024 14:29

DemonicCaveMaggot · 13/12/2024 18:37

I think the mother was spiteful to report it, that the boy's race had a lot to do with her decision, and waiting until her DD was safely out of the country before reporting it (to avoid her DD facing an adultery or sex out of wedlock charge herself) puts the absolute tin hat on it.

I am glad he only got 1 year in prison. He was facing 20 years and the mother didn't know he wouldn't get a 20 year sentence.

Totally agree there’s an element of racism involved. The mother is vindictive and spiteful. She can’t deal with the fact her daughter willingly had sex with a black boy and she’s taken revenge on him rather than accept that her daughter was a willing participant.

He's out on bail and I hope he’s allowed back to the UK and not jailed. But his life at least in the short term is in tatters because of a nasty spiteful woman - I hope she’s proud of herself but I doubt she gives a shit

Islandgirl68 · 14/12/2024 14:43

@StarlightLady exactly, she was 17, so she could easily have been arrested too, sometimes they make up the rules when it suits them.

StarlightLady · 14/12/2024 15:18

Islandgirl68 · 14/12/2024 14:43

@StarlightLady exactly, she was 17, so she could easily have been arrested too, sometimes they make up the rules when it suits them.

Thanks! I’ve no idea what responsibility a 17 year old has or does not have in Dubai legislature. Regardless, the mother has certainly lit the blue touch paper here and blown her own daughter's privacy.

LBFseBrom · 14/12/2024 23:05

MumWifeOther · 11/12/2024 23:51

I said since they were of that heritage and due to the fact that she had to hide and conceal her holiday fling it doesn’t take a genius to figure out that they are racist.

And in any case, I as a mother of black boys would make this assumption EVERY.SINGLE.TIME because I rather be proven wrong than right when it comes to the safety of my children.

And for the record, I would actually make this assumption about the parents of any child who felt she had to conceal my sons identity.

You wouldn’t, and couldn’t possibly, understand that or why.

So carry on being the ignorant and privileged brussel sprout you are, if you must and cannot shut up.

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I do like the term, 'Brussel sprout', as a casual insult and hope you do not mind if I borrow it, MumWifeOther. It brought a smile to my face in an otherwise serious thread.

Regarding the rest of your post, I understand and agree with you.

risingsunny · 14/12/2024 23:36

Where can I find the daughter and mother names?

LBFseBrom · 14/12/2024 23:37

risingsunny · 14/12/2024 23:36

Where can I find the daughter and mother names?

I don't think they are published, risingsunny.

TwistedWonder · 14/12/2024 23:41

risingsunny · 14/12/2024 23:36

Where can I find the daughter and mother names?

Type the boys name into X (Twitter) and the girl and mothers photos come up

snowmichael · 15/12/2024 11:10

BellesAndGraces · 11/12/2024 20:57

Isn’t sex outside of marriage also illegal in Dubai?

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No, has not been a blanket crime for over a decade
The latest update only makes it a crime if the parent or guardian of one of the parties makes a complaint

snowmichael · 15/12/2024 11:23

StrikeForever · 11/12/2024 21:56

Yes they were both 17 at the time. How often do kids check whether or not the age of consent is different in the country they are visiting, to that of their own 🙄

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"Yes they were both 17 at the time"

Why do you keep peddling this easily disproven lie?

snowmichael · 15/12/2024 11:54

GillianCarole · 12/12/2024 18:39

I think we know enough. They are the same age. It was consensual. If he's convicted of an offence, then so should the girl be. The mother deliberately waited to get home before reporting to authorities. Her daughter should return to Dubai to face the consequences (actually I think they should let him go, and the girl tell her mother to butt out of her life).

They were not the same age
She was below the age of consent, so it was not, in the eyes of the law, consensual
She has committed no offence
The mother did not find out until they returned to the UK
The daughter would have no consequences on returning to Dubai

How may things can one person get wrong in one paragraph?

snowmichael · 15/12/2024 11:56

GillianCarole · 12/12/2024 18:54

This is not over until the girl has returned to Dubai to face the same charge. The act was not assault, it was consensual. They are the same age. It's pointless speculating what would happen if she were 15 & he was 16 - they weren't, so it's totally irrelevant. They were 17 - I don't believe any of us would have thought of checking local laws before doing something like this at the same age. Get off your pedestals being so judgmental about these children. They were not adults at the time. We should remember that.

Doubling down on being wrong doesn't make you any less wrong
There are literally dozens of posts in this thread, plus all the news articles that you could have read, to educate yourself before spouting misinformation

snowmichael · 15/12/2024 12:02

DemonicCaveMaggot · 13/12/2024 18:37

I think the mother was spiteful to report it, that the boy's race had a lot to do with her decision, and waiting until her DD was safely out of the country before reporting it (to avoid her DD facing an adultery or sex out of wedlock charge herself) puts the absolute tin hat on it.

I am glad he only got 1 year in prison. He was facing 20 years and the mother didn't know he wouldn't get a 20 year sentence.

The mother didn't find out until they were back in the UK
Likewise, there are no crimes in Dubai any more about single people having pre marital sex in private
The number of people who spout crap here without knowing any facts is mind boggling

snowmichael · 15/12/2024 12:03

Islandgirl68 · 14/12/2024 07:25

Because she had sex and was not married.

Which is not illegal in Dubai unless her parent or guardian complains
Which her mother did

snowmichael · 15/12/2024 12:04

Islandgirl68 · 14/12/2024 13:31

@StarlightLady but not in dubai, mother waited till they got home, if she had complained in Dubai, her daughter would probably have been arrested too, as she had sex outside marriage. Yes ok in UK

It's not been illegal in Dubai for years

snowmichael · 15/12/2024 12:05

Islandgirl68 · 14/12/2024 14:43

@StarlightLady exactly, she was 17, so she could easily have been arrested too, sometimes they make up the rules when it suits them.

Arrested for being the minor, under the age of consent?
Or what other fantasy law that only exists in your own mind do you think she broke?

BlitheSpirits · 15/12/2024 12:12

Yalta · 12/12/2024 00:41

Under UAE laws she has

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what has she done? she didnt have sex with a minor?

Maaate · 15/12/2024 12:13

If 2 17 year olds were to have sex in Dubai would that be a crime under their laws?

Goldenbear · 15/12/2024 12:26

snowmichael · 15/12/2024 12:03

Which is not illegal in Dubai unless her parent or guardian complains
Which her mother did

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How terrifyingly ambiguous.

SinnerBoy · 15/12/2024 12:30

He could have his one year sentence increased:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14193601/British-teenager-imprisoned-dubai-increased-sentence.html

mumedu · 15/12/2024 14:47

anotherside · 12/12/2024 06:18

I’d suggest that you don’t understand the points being made. There are basically three issues:

A) Should laws apply equally to foreigners, even if may have been are broken by mistake? Most would agree that yes this is sensible.

B) Should leniency be shown in certain cases? Most would agree yes, and more so than is the case here. (despite the fact that, yes, he could have received an even worse sentence)

C) Was it extremely vindictive of a British citizen to report this young man for having sex with someone he is just a few months older than, and which is a perfectly legal and normal occurrence in the country of all of their residence and their citizenship?

Yes, the vast majority would agree it was. So it is this point, C, that OP made and which some (including yourself) seem to be having trouble grasping.

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I don't think it was vindictive. She found out when her daughter got home and she reported it to the relevant authorities of that land. British exceptionalism is alive and well here on mumsnet. When you go to a foreign country, you need to obey THEIR laws. The British Empire has crumbled. If you don't agree with their laws, don't go there. Simples.

WaitingforStrike · 15/12/2024 17:16

mumedu · 15/12/2024 14:47

I don't think it was vindictive. She found out when her daughter got home and she reported it to the relevant authorities of that land. British exceptionalism is alive and well here on mumsnet. When you go to a foreign country, you need to obey THEIR laws. The British Empire has crumbled. If you don't agree with their laws, don't go there. Simples.

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Oh come off it. If she'd arrived home and found out that her daughter had broken a law - drinking or buying drugs - would she have reported her? Because, there's no empire etc?

Feelingathomenow · 15/12/2024 20:29

mumedu · 15/12/2024 14:47

I don't think it was vindictive. She found out when her daughter got home and she reported it to the relevant authorities of that land. British exceptionalism is alive and well here on mumsnet. When you go to a foreign country, you need to obey THEIR laws. The British Empire has crumbled. If you don't agree with their laws, don't go there. Simples.

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I totally agree with not going to countries when you don’t agree with their laws. I think people can comment that some legal systems are archaic and not really suitable for the 21st century. I don’t think it’s anything to do with any Empire, I know some people like to vilify British people and their relationship with the world, but these people generally have a lot of angst and very little actual knowledge.

As the mother is do keen to ensure a country punishes law breakers I assume she will return her daughter there to let the authorities deal with her. The mother is indeed vindictive and very likely racist. Now her name is public knowledge I guess the people who come across her will let her know what she did was terrible.

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SusieSussex · 15/12/2024 20:45

Feelingathomenow · 15/12/2024 20:29

I totally agree with not going to countries when you don’t agree with their laws. I think people can comment that some legal systems are archaic and not really suitable for the 21st century. I don’t think it’s anything to do with any Empire, I know some people like to vilify British people and their relationship with the world, but these people generally have a lot of angst and very little actual knowledge.

As the mother is do keen to ensure a country punishes law breakers I assume she will return her daughter there to let the authorities deal with her. The mother is indeed vindictive and very likely racist. Now her name is public knowledge I guess the people who come across her will let her know what she did was terrible.

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these people generally have a lot of angst and very little actual knowledge

Yep!

MrsSunshine2b · 15/12/2024 20:51

mumedu · 15/12/2024 14:47

I don't think it was vindictive. She found out when her daughter got home and she reported it to the relevant authorities of that land. British exceptionalism is alive and well here on mumsnet. When you go to a foreign country, you need to obey THEIR laws. The British Empire has crumbled. If you don't agree with their laws, don't go there. Simples.

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You think she reported it out of deep respect for the laws of Dubai? 😂